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Conflict in the Middle East
PeasfullPerson · 13/11/2024 21:59

The party has got to end at some point.

Toomanywars · 21/11/2024 18:19

Oodiks · 20/11/2024 21:04

Turkish strikes in Syria cut water to one million people - this is a humanitarian crisis. Where's your condemnation of Turkey?

Unless it's condemnation of Israel.... are you new here 🤔

MothToAnInferno · 21/11/2024 18:29

Oodiks · 20/11/2024 21:04

Turkish strikes in Syria cut water to one million people - this is a humanitarian crisis. Where's your condemnation of Turkey?

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Toomanywars · 21/11/2024 18:34

MothToAnInferno · 21/11/2024 18:29

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Ah so we shouldn't talk about that. That's the problem. Only allowed to talk anti Israel and nothing else. 🙄

MothToAnInferno · 21/11/2024 18:43

Toomanywars · 21/11/2024 18:34

Ah so we shouldn't talk about that. That's the problem. Only allowed to talk anti Israel and nothing else. 🙄

Talk about what you want but it's a bit daft to come onto a thread about one thing and demand people condemn another all while not condemning or even acknowledging what the thread is actually about.

It's anti Israel to say that they are breaking a ceasefire? Maybe thats why the poster didn't acknowledge what the thread is about because even just talking about Israel breaking a ceasefire is anti Israel?

TwilightSkies · 21/11/2024 18:49

It's anti Israel to say that they are breaking a ceasefire? Maybe thats why the poster didn't acknowledge what the thread is about because even just talking about Israel breaking a ceasefire is anti Israel?

Are you new here? Don’t you know that unless you support Israel’s genocide in Gaza (and beyond) that you are anti-Israel? And most likely anti-Semitic too?

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TakeMe2Insanity · 21/11/2024 19:08

Oodiks · 20/11/2024 21:04

Turkish strikes in Syria cut water to one million people - this is a humanitarian crisis. Where's your condemnation of Turkey?

You know the drill - create a new thread.

Toomanywars · 21/11/2024 19:09

TwilightSkies · 21/11/2024 18:49

It's anti Israel to say that they are breaking a ceasefire? Maybe thats why the poster didn't acknowledge what the thread is about because even just talking about Israel breaking a ceasefire is anti Israel?

Are you new here? Don’t you know that unless you support Israel’s genocide in Gaza (and beyond) that you are anti-Israel? And most likely anti-Semitic too?

Now you are talking rubbish. The vast majority of threads repeatedly go on about how awful Israel are. So no one cam pretend you cannot slat Israel, its plain to see. However, don't talk about any other country causing harm to people on the Middle East...

Scirocco · 21/11/2024 19:30

Oodiks · 20/11/2024 21:04

Turkish strikes in Syria cut water to one million people - this is a humanitarian crisis. Where's your condemnation of Turkey?

Thanks for sharing. You're right - cutting people's water and power supply like that is terrible, and it's shameful for any country to behave in such a way against a civilian population. Organisations such as Islamic Relief, ICRC, UK for UNHCR, etc have long-running appeals and projects in Syria, so if people want to try to help the people struggling to survive in Syria, I'd urge people to please check out the options available for contributing.

OP posts:
1dayatatime · 21/11/2024 19:37

I see the US has criticised Turkey for allegedly hosting Hamas leaders in Turkey after they had been asked to leave Qatar:

www.reuters.com/world/us-warns-turkey-against-hosting-hamas-leaders-2024-11-18/

quantumbutterfly · 22/11/2024 05:57

1dayatatime · 21/11/2024 19:37

I see the US has criticised Turkey for allegedly hosting Hamas leaders in Turkey after they had been asked to leave Qatar:

www.reuters.com/world/us-warns-turkey-against-hosting-hamas-leaders-2024-11-18/

hamas own a lot of real estate in Turkey.

quantumbutterfly · 22/11/2024 06:30

There's a lot more to that link than ...'Israel is violating a ceasefire'....I thought I would highlight a few interesting bits ...
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The United Nations says Israeli construction along a demilitarised buffer zone with Syria has led to “severe violations” of a 50-year-old ceasefire agreement, which risk increasing tensions along their shared frontier in the occupied Golan Heights.
Satellite photographs show new trenches and earth berms dug over the past few months along the length of what is known as the Area of Separation (AoS).
The BBC has filmed construction taking place alongside a military vehicle near the town of Majdal Shams, and fresh earthworks in rural land further south. The work in both locations is believed to lie within Israeli-controlled areas.
The UN Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) says most of the Israeli construction does not breach the AoS, but that some trenches - dug under protection from military vehicles including tanks - do cross into it, and that Israeli army vehicles and personnel have also entered the buffer zone.

Image caption,
Bernard Lee of UNDOF told the BBC's Lucy Williamson that two major lines of trenches had been dug
Beneath the watchtower at UNDOF’s Camp Ziouani base, the Israeli fence snakes towards a line of volcanic mountains; a Syrian flag flutters in the trees beyond the post, marking the other side of the separation zone.
UNDOF observers monitor the 80km (50-mile) long strip of land 24 hours a day.
Chief of Mission Bernard Lee told the BBC that two major lines of trenches had been dug, along with three more limited ones, each some 6m (20 ft) wide.
He estimated that trenches crossed into the AoS in a handful locations, by a couple of metres in each case, but said he had not visited the sites himself.
UNDOF was not able to immediately share visual evidence of the reported incursions, and permission for the BBC to view or film the locations from a nearby observation post has so far not been granted.
Initial searches of satellite photographs have not produced images in enough detail to independently confirm the UN allegations.

The AoS was set up as part of Israel’s ceasefire agreement with Syria in 1974, following Israel’s earlier occupation of the Golan Heights.
Israeli forces are required to be west of the so-called Alpha Line, while Syrian forces must be east of the Bravo Line, which runs along the other side of the AoS.
Israel unilaterally annexed the Golan in 1981. The move was not recognised internationally, although the US did so unilaterally in 2019.
Israeli settlers there live alongside about 20,000 Syrians, most of them Druze, who stayed on in the Golan after it was captured.
Despite the presence of Iran-backed militia groups in Syria, this frontier has remained relatively calm, as Israeli ground forces have battled Iranian allies in Gaza and Lebanon over the past 13 months.
But UNDOF said in a statement that the Syrian authorities had “strongly protested” the ongoing Israeli work. And that the UN itself had “repeatedly” taken its concerns over the Israeli violations to Israel’s military authorities.
Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) spokesman Lt Col Nadav Shoshani told the BBC that the trenches were designed to protect against infiltration by Iran-backed groups in Syria - and did not break the ceasefire agreement.
“Israeli officials have been communicating with the UN about these issues,” he said. “And I can tell you that the IDF is operating on Israeli territory making sure that a terror invasion is not possible, making sure we are defending our borders.”

Image caption,
The Israeli military said the trenches were designed to protect against infiltration by Iran-backed groups in Syria
The threat of a surprise invasion by Israel’s neighbours has loomed larger here since the 7 October Hamas attacks.
“Will [the trenches] stop what happened on 7 October? Yes,” said Bernard Lee. “Could you get a pick-up truck over it? No.”
But the defences being built along this frontier don’t address the more immediate threat from launched by Iranian militia groups in Syria and Iraq – and frequently shot down by Israeli forces.
Nor do they address Israel’s concerns about Syria being an “oxygen line” for Iran to smuggle weapons to its Lebanese ally, Hezbollah.
Mr Lee said commercial smugglers already used the AoS to smuggle cigarettes and electronics between Syria and Lebanon. And that a new patrol road, built by the UN, is assisting them.
“They come over the mountain, enter the area of separation with a trail of pack horses, eight at a time, with two armed guys,” he said. “They unload the pack horses and a pick-up truck meets them at our road: we’ve motorized the smuggling business.”
Asked whether the same route could be used to take weapons from Syria into Lebanon, he replied: “That is what the IDF are concerned about.”

Image caption,
UNDOF observers monitor the 80km (50-mile) long Area of Separation 24 hours a day
Israel has also pointed to what it says are “daily”
violations along the demilitarized frontier by Syria.
In May, Israel’s ambassador to the UN wrote to the secretary-general to complain about Syrian violations, including “armed presence in the area of separation” which “only heighten tensions in our already volatile region”.
Iran-backed militia in the area are a concern for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime, too, after years of civil war.
It has appeared unwilling to be drawn in to the Israel-Hezbollah war, despite frequent Israeli strikes inside Syria targeting Hezbollah and Iranian positions and weapons shipments.

Image caption,
Eco-lodge owner Wafik Farhat says the Israeli works along the buffer zone give people a "sense of security"
The situation is frightening,” said Wafik Farhat, a Syrian hotel owner in the occupied Golan Heights. “Our eyes are looking more to the sky than to the plants. There’s fear here.”
Farhat’s eco-lodge, with its yurt accommodation surrounded by orchards, looks out onto rows of fresh trenches along the buffer zone.
“It gives us a sense of security,” he said. “We can sleep in peace, because there’s someone taking care of the border and not letting terrorists cross towards us.”
Israel is already fighting Iranian allies - Hamas and Hezbollah - on two of its borders. But more than a year into this regional conflict, friction is also being felt along its quietest frontier.
Additional reporting by Charlotte Scarr and Ed Habershon
Verification work by Richard Irvine-Brown and Benedict Garman

Baital · 22/11/2024 06:34

I think most people would agree that Turkey's human rights record is worrying.

So if you equate Turkey and Israel, presumably you are saying their attitude to human rights is equally bad?

quantumbutterfly · 22/11/2024 08:20

Baital · 22/11/2024 06:34

I think most people would agree that Turkey's human rights record is worrying.

So if you equate Turkey and Israel, presumably you are saying their attitude to human rights is equally bad?

Bit random, but I'll play

I think most people agree that apples and oranges are fruit so they are obviously the same thing.

Baital · 22/11/2024 09:21

In a case where fruit in general would be harmful then, yes, the difference between apples and oranges (or plums or bananas) isn't particularly relevant.

quantumbutterfly · 22/11/2024 09:46

Dangerous bananas indeed.

EasterIssland · 22/11/2024 10:18

And just like that a thread about Israel’s actions has turned into what another country is doing.

quantumbutterfly · 22/11/2024 10:26

Is that your contribution or are you going to comment on the article?

quantumbutterfly · 22/11/2024 10:33

Why on earth would Israel want to build defensive trenches along a border with a hostile country after the 7/10 massacre (involving a bulldozed border fence and pick up trucks taking over 100 hostages dead and alive, many of whom are still captive)?.....hmmm🤔

1dayatatime · 22/11/2024 11:22

EasterIssland · 22/11/2024 10:18

And just like that a thread about Israel’s actions has turned into what another country is doing.

Well not exactly the thread was about what Israel is doing in Syria and other posters were simply commenting about what "another country" Turkey is doing in Syria the same country. So different perpetrators (Israel and Turkey) but the same country (Syria).

Which by cutting off water and power supply to Kurdish regions is a war crime and genocide against the Kurdish people (Turkey having a track record on proven genocide).

Given that Turkey is a democracy, a NATO member and aspiring EU member then the level of conduct from Turkey if anything should be higher from Turkey than Israel.

quantumbutterfly · 22/11/2024 12:50

from the op article:
But the defences being built along this frontier don’t address the more immediate threat from drones and missiles regularly launched by Iranian militia groups in Syria and Iraq – and frequently shot down by Israeli forces.
from your article:
Israel frequently targets military sites and facilities associated with Iran-linked groups in Syria but rarely acknowledges the strikes. The death toll from Wednesday’s strike was unusually high. It was not immediately clear if the ruins were damaged.
The temple complex already suffered significant damage years ago amid the Islamic State group’s rampage across Syria.
In 2015, the world watched in horror as the militants blew up an iconic arch and temple in Palmyra. Since IS lost its hold on the area, restoration work on the site has been held up by security issues, leftover IS land mines and lack of funding.
The strike in Syria comes as negotiations are underway for a potential cease-fire between Israel and the Hezbollah militant group in Lebanon, but it is unclear if the cease-fire would include Syria.

Auvergne63 · 22/11/2024 15:19

TwilightSkies · 21/11/2024 18:49

It's anti Israel to say that they are breaking a ceasefire? Maybe thats why the poster didn't acknowledge what the thread is about because even just talking about Israel breaking a ceasefire is anti Israel?

Are you new here? Don’t you know that unless you support Israel’s genocide in Gaza (and beyond) that you are anti-Israel? And most likely anti-Semitic too?

You forgot to add pro Hamas or a terrorist supporter.

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