The IDF have been so calculated haven't they.

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The plan for Israel to starve Palestinians has been made so much in advance.

Israel have conducted studies on how they will starve Palestinians just enough that they do not die but also enough hat they suffer from the physical and psychological effects of starvation.

How are they allowed to calculate how to starve children "just enough" and then to starve them for an entire year.

I am just in shock after reading through some of these studies from Israel. It is a very calculated evil move.

This happened in 2012 so it has been ongoing for so long now. How is this allowed? Where are the sanctions?

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19975211.amp

It is shocking and indefensible. Don't forget , "mowing the grass" every few years too.
Successive Israeli governments have been given carte blanche by the Western world because, I think, they need a base in the middle east, to operate from, if needed. Other Middle East countries are hostile to the West, in general, and Israel isn't. I think there is also a certain element of not wanting to be considered antisemitic too.

No words. Good on this charity for fighting for this to be released. But if course all the blame lies with Hamas for the plight of the Palestinian people before Oct 7th. Israel have done nothing but keep ceasefire and provide for the people kettled into the Gaza strip

From reading the article, wasn't the calculation for how many aid trucks they needed to let in to avoid malnutrition? Presumably the Red Cross etc. do those calculations all the time all around the World.

I mean, they then let in way fewer trucks which is appalling but the "studies to starve them just enough" stuff is a bit melodramatic.

just posted about this in another thread

Israel stops processing key commercial food imports to Gaza, sources say

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-stops-processing-key-commercial-food-imports-gaza-sources-say-2024-10-17/

And yet people will insist Israel are not committing a genocide.

Not in my name. Free Palestine.

Nothing Israel does surprises me. The blindness of the key players in the west does surprise me.

The more I read into it the stranger and more sinister it all is. Why are so many innocent civilians being starved as collective punishment. People in the north surviving on around 250 calories a day and then are expected to move up and down Gaza by foot.

The amount of psychological torture these people have faced is truly disturbing.

They've been low key trying to starve the Palestinians for a long time. For example, the Palestinians are not allowed to fish outside of an arbitrary limit or they will be shot on sight. Naturally, there are no fish left inside the limit, so fishermen must risk death in order to catch anything.
I remember seeing one fisherman interviewed say he was going to blatantly go outside the limit in broad daylight so they would kill him and he wouldn't have to live that way anymore. 😢

This reads like a plan to figure out calories required not a starvation plan. Normal logistical planning by the looks of it. You do need to read your own links.

The existence of a document discussing how many calories/protein etc a population needs is not the same as a starvation plan. You can definitely question whether Israel allowed enough food through but this is such a silly post.

Also food aid was coming through the Rafah crossing from Egypt. I don’t know why people keep forgetting that Egypt had a crossing with Gaza.

Unfortunately people coming out of this won’t feel love for the “emancipation” or whatever it is Israel feels it is doing. Palestinians talk of living under occupation and this will fire their desire to resist.

Thank you @User37482 for a sane, rational comment amid the silly hyperbole of others.

@Catatonican @Wonderlust233 @TakeMe2Insanity , would you care to comment on @User37482 's point?

I fear you won’t get far on this thread with your rational comment. Some posters are only interested in making the most damning interpretation possible of any actions taken by the Israelis.

Also food aid was coming through the Rafah crossing from Egypt. I don’t know why people keep forgetting that Egypt had a crossing with Gaza
Which is now controlled by Israel and too small to get large aid trucks through so what can come through is limited. I don't know why you keep forgetting that

Whatever your interpretation of this document is it is no secret that not enough aid is getting in. Israel's biggest ally the US have given Israel a 30 day warning to "reverse the downward humanitarian trajectory" which highlights how serous the situation has become

Some posters are only interested in making the most damning interpretation possible of any actions taken by the Israelis.

Some posters? the US government are as well

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/15/us-israel-weapons-gaza-aid-letter

Ha! Yes I'm sure this report was done out of care a kindness for civilians to make sure that they are all receiving a nutritious and fulfilling diet. All the evidence we have to date points to this being the reason.

I agree with the Guardian article and the US letter, but neither of them use emotional language like "starve them just enough".

Because they are professional journalists and politicians writing official documents, not ordinary joe soaps commenting on mumsnet, people can have opinions of something and use whatever language they see fit to describe it

Yes but it has evolved to being a starvation plan now. This was 10 years ago.

Even then let's nor normalise giving an entire population of mostly children less calories to just avoid malnutrition. They are reducing the physical health of the population in a very calculated way and have been doing so for decades. Now they have just fully escalated things to starvation but this plan been ongoing for decades.

Exactly, at the time they could have potentially twisted it that way as they attempted to but current events show that this plan was to calculate how to starve Palestinians.

" put them on a diet " I believe the term was.
Hyperbole? When they say what they're going to do then do it?

Sure. But you linked to that article as if it supported the damning, emotive, judgemental language and opinion, when in fact it doesn’t.

But you linked to that article as if it supported the damning, emotive, judgemental language and opinion

No I didn't. I linked it because of your comment below, to point out that there are more than just posters here concerned about starving Palestinians

Some posters are only interested in making the most damning interpretation possible of any actions taken by the Israelis.

And yet people will still defend them. It blows my mind.

You are trying to mislead people. You did not say the article was "concerned about starving Palestinians" (which of course it is). You said:

"Some posters are only interested in making the most damning interpretation possible of any actions taken by the Israelis.
Some posters? the US government are as well". (Followed by the link)

That very clearly implies that the US government was making the same damning interpretation as the posters I was referring to.