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Blessed are the Peacekeepers

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HelenHen · 15/10/2024 08:16

And may IDF and Hezbollah both follow international law to keep them safe.

An interesting read from a former Irish officer explaining the dangers facing the Peacekeepers

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/15/un-peacekeepers-lebanon-lives-on-line-israeli-army

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Ireland’s peacekeepers in Lebanon are putting their lives on the line. I know – I was one of them
Tom Clonan

In 1996, I witnessed the horror as the Israeli army fired on UN positions. Now history is repeating itself
Tom Clonan is an independent senator in the Irish parliament and a retired Irish army officer
Tue 15 Oct 2024 07.00 BST
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The Irish armed forces have participated in UN peacekeeping missions for over 60 years. Since 1958, Ireland has sent troops to global conflicts on almost every continent. We have had a peacekeeping battalion with the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (Unifil) in south Lebanon on a continuous basis since 1978. The relationship is so deep-rooted that in the Irish area of operations, close to the border with Israel, there are local Lebanese people who speak English with broad Irish accents.

As Israel intensifies its current ground assault in Lebanon, 380 Irish troops have found themselves in direct confrontation with the might of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). At UN position 6-52, near the border village of Maroun al-Ras, a platoon of 33 Irish troops was surrounded and isolated from UN headquarters by an IDF unit. Israeli troops have attempted to intimidate and threaten the young Irish men and women at 6-52 by positioning Merkava battle tanks on the perimeter of the post, with their 120mm main armaments aimed directly at them. A neighbouring Irish/Polish platoon at position 6-50 has witnessed Israeli forces destroying the small town of Yaroun during fierce fighting with Hezbollah.

None of this is new for the Irish. Over the decades, as peacekeepers, we have acted as de facto human shields, trying to protect innocent Lebanese civilians from Hezbollah on one hand and the IDF on the other. As neutral observers and first responders, we have lost almost 50 troops in Lebanon. Approximately 50% of our casualties have been inflicted by Islamist resistance groups such as Hezbollah – the other 50% by the IDF and their paramilitary proxies in the area. Most recently, Pte Seán Rooney was killed in December 2022; a Lebanese military tribunal accused five members of Hezbollah.

After Hamas’s horrific attack on 7 October last year, Hezbollah has fired thousands of rockets and missiles into northern Israel. Hezbollah, like Hamas – in direct contravention of the Geneva conventions – has targeted Israeli towns and villages from Haifa on the Mediterranean coast across to Kiryat Shmona and Tiberias. This has led to the internal displacement of more than 60,000 Israeli civilians, seeking to escape these barrages. There is a well-founded fear among many Israelis that Hezbollah might also mount a cross-border marauding attack on innocent men, women and children in northern Israeli settlements, similar to the Hamas attacks.

For its part, the IDF, at Netanyahu’s direction, has mounted a savage campaign of retaliation against Hamas in Gaza. In the conduct of its operations, the IDF appears to have has repeatedly and consistently broken the international laws of armed conflict; it has slaughtered more than 40,000 Gazans and maimed many tens of thousands more. The vast majority of these casualties have been innocent Palestinians, including almost 20,000 women and children.

For the Irish deployed to Unifil, as events unfold it is abundantly clear that the IDF is preparing to replicate its brutal assault on Gaza in Lebanon. The death toll in Lebanon, mostly among innocent civilians, already exceeds 2,000. This represents the same casualty rate as experienced in Gaza and has the potential to plunge Lebanon into the abyss. It also carries with it the risk of a direct confrontation between Israel and Iran. This is a moment of great danger for the 10,000 troops deployed to Unifil and particularly for the Irish deployed on the frontline along Israel’s advance.
I speak from experience, having served as an Irish peacekeeper in Lebanon. As a young officer in 1996, during Israel’s notorious operation Grapes of Wrath, I witnessed the destruction of the small villages and towns in our area of operation. Then, as now, the most vulnerable Lebanese civilians were unable to evacuate or flee the Israeli onslaught. Elderly people, disabled people and young mothers nursing infants were unable to escape.

In the midst of the destruction, we took almost 200 civilians into our UN position. We shared our meagre rations, water and medical supplies with these terrified people. Our neighbouring UN position at the village of Qana also took in civilians. However, it was directly targeted by the IDF and over 100 men, women and children were slaughtered there in shelling on 18 April 1996.

The situation in Lebanon is much worse today. The IDF has for the most part abandoned the traditional military doctrine of “advance to contact” operations, where armies tactically respond to enemy fire. The IDF in Gaza and now Lebanon is operating what military analysts term a doctrine of “reconnaissance by fire”, where it pre-emptively opens fire on everything and everyone its forces encounter in their advance to deter ambushes. In this, they do not distinguish between either Hamas and Hezbollah targets and civilians or civilian objects. Hence the shockingly high civilian casualty rates. As I write, the IDF has opened fire on UN positions injuring five peacekeepers.
In all of its previous incursions into Lebanon, the IDF has killed UN peacekeepers and UN observers. All that the Irish can do is observe, record and report the actions of all parties to the conflict. They will hope to save lives and they will hope to survive and return home to their families. Blessed are the peacekeepers.

Tom Clonan is an independent senator in the Irish parliament and a retired army officer

Ireland's peacekeepers in Lebanon are putting their lives on the line. I know – I was one of them | Tom Clonan

In 1996, I witnessed the horror as the Israeli army fired on UN positions. Now history is repeating itself, says Irish senator Tom Clonan

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/15/un-peacekeepers-lebanon-lives-on-line-israeli-army

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YankeeDad · 15/10/2024 17:10

I do not know whether the peacekeepers in this particular outpost are Irish or not, but they would certainly appear to be extraordinarily nearsighted.

Or, maybe their mission to "observe, record and report" is jus tpoorly designed, and in effect turns them into human shields, if it means that Hezbollah are absolutely welcome and free to dig tunnels under their noses and use those tunnels to shoot rockets at Israeli civilians.

It would seem as though Hezbollah are just as effective at Hamas at hiding behind civilians and neutral parties, and killing Israelis, and then ensuring the Israelis get most of the blame if the Israelis shoot back.

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Dulra · 15/10/2024 17:50

YankeeDad · 15/10/2024 17:10

I do not know whether the peacekeepers in this particular outpost are Irish or not, but they would certainly appear to be extraordinarily nearsighted.

Or, maybe their mission to "observe, record and report" is jus tpoorly designed, and in effect turns them into human shields, if it means that Hezbollah are absolutely welcome and free to dig tunnels under their noses and use those tunnels to shoot rockets at Israeli civilians.

It would seem as though Hezbollah are just as effective at Hamas at hiding behind civilians and neutral parties, and killing Israelis, and then ensuring the Israelis get most of the blame if the Israelis shoot back.

Whether you think the job of the UN peace keepers is effective or not is irrelevant. The IDF can't fire at them or order them to leave

OhMaria2 · 15/10/2024 19:43

Israel accused Hezbollah of using the UN soldiers as human shields. It was on the radio earlier today.

EasterIssland · 15/10/2024 19:46

OhMaria2 · 15/10/2024 19:43

Israel accused Hezbollah of using the UN soldiers as human shields. It was on the radio earlier today.

Hezbollah accused Israel of using UNIFIL as human shields. It was on the news the other day

OhMaria2 · 15/10/2024 20:08

EasterIssland · 15/10/2024 19:46

Hezbollah accused Israel of using UNIFIL as human shields. It was on the news the other day

I'm a human shield. You're a human shield.
Everyone's a human shield. Send bombs immediately
If they're both at it let the atrocities commence

EasterIssland · 15/10/2024 20:31

OhMaria2 · 15/10/2024 20:08

I'm a human shield. You're a human shield.
Everyone's a human shield. Send bombs immediately
If they're both at it let the atrocities commence

I’m sure if I was in that area I’d have been bombed by now

ps. The atrocities have already commeced . Years ago.

OhMaria2 · 15/10/2024 21:03

EasterIssland · 15/10/2024 20:31

I’m sure if I was in that area I’d have been bombed by now

ps. The atrocities have already commeced . Years ago.

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Why you specifically?

User37482 · 15/10/2024 21:08

They really should be removed tbh. It’s now a warzone, they were there to ensure Hezbollah stayed behind the Litani river and they didn’t do that. They also don’t appear to have noticed all the tunnels popping up everywhere.

If they had actually done their job and Hezbollah had observed the agreement this wouldn’t be happening. I think it’s frankly stupid and callous to leave them in position. They should be moved because they aren’t doing anything anyway.

EasterIssland · 15/10/2024 21:08

OhMaria2 · 15/10/2024 21:03

Why you specifically?

because according to you in your previous comment I’m a human shield

EasterIssland · 15/10/2024 21:10

User37482 · 15/10/2024 21:08

They really should be removed tbh. It’s now a warzone, they were there to ensure Hezbollah stayed behind the Litani river and they didn’t do that. They also don’t appear to have noticed all the tunnels popping up everywhere.

If they had actually done their job and Hezbollah had observed the agreement this wouldn’t be happening. I think it’s frankly stupid and callous to leave them in position. They should be moved because they aren’t doing anything anyway.

And idf is there to do the job unifil hasn’t done? Poor Lebanese citizens if that’s the case

Dulra · 15/10/2024 21:12

User37482 · 15/10/2024 21:08

They really should be removed tbh. It’s now a warzone, they were there to ensure Hezbollah stayed behind the Litani river and they didn’t do that. They also don’t appear to have noticed all the tunnels popping up everywhere.

If they had actually done their job and Hezbollah had observed the agreement this wouldn’t be happening. I think it’s frankly stupid and callous to leave them in position. They should be moved because they aren’t doing anything anyway.

It's up to the security council.
Their mandate is not to impose peace but monitor peace and there is a concern that leaving will once again mean there are no independent observers or units safeguarding civilians

They should be moved because they aren’t doing anything anyway.
How could you possibly know?

User37482 · 15/10/2024 21:15

I don’t understand your point. The UN failed to keep peace on the border. The consequences of firing rockets into a neighbouring country will obviously be unpleasant.

Dulra · 15/10/2024 21:18

User37482 · 15/10/2024 21:15

I don’t understand your point. The UN failed to keep peace on the border. The consequences of firing rockets into a neighbouring country will obviously be unpleasant.

Whose this directed to? If it's me I don't understand your point

User37482 · 15/10/2024 21:24

So they should have been yelling for the last 18 years that Hezbollah was breaching the agreements they had signed up to. There is clearly a failure here. Their job is to secure the area not just monitor. They haven’t done that, there are tunnels literally 100m from it’s positions. Clearly doing this is an impossibility when you have a state within a state like in Lebanon. So whats the point of them?

User37482 · 15/10/2024 21:25

Dulra · 15/10/2024 21:18

Whose this directed to? If it's me I don't understand your point

No @EasterIssland

EasterIssland · 15/10/2024 21:33

User37482 · 15/10/2024 21:15

I don’t understand your point. The UN failed to keep peace on the border. The consequences of firing rockets into a neighbouring country will obviously be unpleasant.

Let’s talk in a years time when idf has done the job that unifil hasn’t done.

we can talk about how many innocent lives have been taken by mistake by idf
we can also speak about how hezbollah is gone thanks to IDF
and how Israel is a much safer place now thanks to IDFs actions.

Silence1 · 15/10/2024 22:48

User37482 · 15/10/2024 21:08

They really should be removed tbh. It’s now a warzone, they were there to ensure Hezbollah stayed behind the Litani river and they didn’t do that. They also don’t appear to have noticed all the tunnels popping up everywhere.

If they had actually done their job and Hezbollah had observed the agreement this wouldn’t be happening. I think it’s frankly stupid and callous to leave them in position. They should be moved because they aren’t doing anything anyway.

Both the EU and UK priority was/is that Lebanon does not have a civil war. Israel, specifically BN and his miserable Govt seem to want it.
The Southern EU countries are pledging support to the Lebanese army.

The UK has supported Lebanon for years and I suspect most UK citizens will support Lebanese civilians over Israel wants. Let's face it Israel hasn't sorted out the Jewish terrorism and injustice (IDF own words) in their own country and Govt so who are they to say anything?

So where will it all go?

GhostCicada · 15/10/2024 23:41

User37482 · 15/10/2024 21:24

So they should have been yelling for the last 18 years that Hezbollah was breaching the agreements they had signed up to. There is clearly a failure here. Their job is to secure the area not just monitor. They haven’t done that, there are tunnels literally 100m from it’s positions. Clearly doing this is an impossibility when you have a state within a state like in Lebanon. So whats the point of them?

What should they have been doing to Israel when they have breached the border? Let's not pretend that this is a one way street. Unifil have also let Israel away with multiple breaches too if you want to frame it that way.

Reporting estimates over 22,000 Israeli incursions into Lebanese airspace have occurred since 2007. Israeli warplanes sometimes stage mock attacks on Lebanese cities, and emit sonic booms that frighten civilians.

22,000 breaches and that's just by air, it doesn't seem like Israel have any high ground here does it. How should UNIFIL have secured that area against Israels 1000s of incursions in your opinion?

I'm really suspicious of the people who don't seem to want Unifil there to monitor the situation and report on what is happening. Why would you not want that?

HelenHen · 16/10/2024 13:42

User37482 · 15/10/2024 21:08

They really should be removed tbh. It’s now a warzone, they were there to ensure Hezbollah stayed behind the Litani river and they didn’t do that. They also don’t appear to have noticed all the tunnels popping up everywhere.

If they had actually done their job and Hezbollah had observed the agreement this wouldn’t be happening. I think it’s frankly stupid and callous to leave them in position. They should be moved because they aren’t doing anything anyway.

If its a warzone now, there is even more reason for them to stay.

Yes clearly both sides have been taking liberties, and I've no doubt that this has been fed back to the appropriate authority.

I just don't understand why you would want them gone, unless you don't want the world to see what you are doing.

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YankeeDad · 16/10/2024 13:50

GhostCicada · 15/10/2024 23:41

What should they have been doing to Israel when they have breached the border? Let's not pretend that this is a one way street. Unifil have also let Israel away with multiple breaches too if you want to frame it that way.

Reporting estimates over 22,000 Israeli incursions into Lebanese airspace have occurred since 2007. Israeli warplanes sometimes stage mock attacks on Lebanese cities, and emit sonic booms that frighten civilians.

22,000 breaches and that's just by air, it doesn't seem like Israel have any high ground here does it. How should UNIFIL have secured that area against Israels 1000s of incursions in your opinion?

I'm really suspicious of the people who don't seem to want Unifil there to monitor the situation and report on what is happening. Why would you not want that?

I personally have no problem with Unifil being there and reporting, provided that they must not complain if they sometimes have damaged outputs or even get hit by stray bullets when IDF go in to try to remove Hezbollah fighters and weapons and block Hezbollah tunnels sitting right next to Unifil posts, which tunnels that have been used to fire thousands of rockets and missiles into Israel.

EasterIssland · 16/10/2024 14:19

YankeeDad · 16/10/2024 13:50

I personally have no problem with Unifil being there and reporting, provided that they must not complain if they sometimes have damaged outputs or even get hit by stray bullets when IDF go in to try to remove Hezbollah fighters and weapons and block Hezbollah tunnels sitting right next to Unifil posts, which tunnels that have been used to fire thousands of rockets and missiles into Israel.

they must not complain

they should and must complain if they’ve loses for the actions of an army that doesn’t belong to the country they’re defending

YankeeDad · 16/10/2024 14:59

EasterIssland · 16/10/2024 14:19

they must not complain

they should and must complain if they’ve loses for the actions of an army that doesn’t belong to the country they’re defending

It is not that simple.

IDF does not belong in Lebanon, except that if Hezbollah sits just inside the Lebanese border raining rockets on top of Israeli villages, what is Israel supposed to do? Smile and say “Thank you Sir, may I have another?”

EasterIssland · 16/10/2024 16:19

YankeeDad · 16/10/2024 14:59

It is not that simple.

IDF does not belong in Lebanon, except that if Hezbollah sits just inside the Lebanese border raining rockets on top of Israeli villages, what is Israel supposed to do? Smile and say “Thank you Sir, may I have another?”

Probably the solution should not be to kill innocent civilians.