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Conflict in the Middle East

Is Gaza going to be a general election issue?

45 replies

mids2019 · 23/05/2024 06:04

Just his really......

Obviously a lot is going to be going on in the country but is Gaza going to be any election leaflets? Are Labour going to perhaps slip it into leaflets in regions with high Muslim concentrations e.g. inner city Birmingham?

I personally think the big parties will avoid this controversial foreign policy issue but I don't if that will leave room for any independents.

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TrínaCheile · 23/05/2024 15:58

Scirocco · 23/05/2024 06:52

I'm going to vote. For someone else.

Indeed.
For a party/person that has shown some iota of moral integrity.

TrínaCheile · 23/05/2024 16:10

blackcherryconserve · 23/05/2024 10:21

I would hope that people will vote for and hold to account the manifesto that works for British people and their issues here not on foreign policy for which we have no influence or standing.
How will the parties manage the poor state of this country e.g. the NHS, education, railways, water (no investment made since privatisation!) etc. These are what directly affects you and I (Scirocco I'm looking at you!)
My MP is a Labour one. Sadly I don't want to vote for her as we disagree about certain issues. Even without my vote she will more than probably retain her seat with an increased majority.
As a woman I know I should vote after all our predecessors fought do hard for us to do so but I feel politically homeless.

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A government openly facilitating and continuing to support (profiting from?) the historic and ongoing genocidal and barbaric actions of Israel affect me greatly.

Particularly when they purport to speak for me.

blackcherryconserve · 23/05/2024 16:21

So which party represents your needs and views TrinaChiele? It obviously isn't either Conservative or Labour unless their manifestos are widely different from current policies.

JacketPotatoFoodOfTheGods · 23/05/2024 17:37

People are disgusted by both labour and the Tories on this matter.
I'd say they will cancel each other out.
Not voting achieves nothing too.

mids2019 · 23/05/2024 18:45

So for some is having an independent 'pro Gaza' candidate important and where do they come from,?

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VerlynWebbe · 23/05/2024 18:53

mids2019 · 23/05/2024 18:45

So for some is having an independent 'pro Gaza' candidate important and where do they come from,?

I think only in a few seats would there be a chance of an independent pro-Gaza candidate succeeding against Labour/LibDem/Tory. Islington, for example. They'd need to have impressive credentials.

Even the Greens (the only party supporting ceasing arming Israel, as well as the slightly useless call for a ceasefire that all parties pay lip service to) are not going to get far, simply because nobody takes anyone but Caroline Lucas seriously, and even then...

AdamRyan · 23/05/2024 18:55

I think sadly its very clear that a lot of right wing politicians, news outlets and media commentators would love to make it a right wing, culture war issue. I'm not looking forward to it and hope the other parties don't rise to it.

BelleHathor · 23/05/2024 19:21

Yup, culture war is why Rishi went for it now (they had until December to call an election).

He's calculated that the Gaza situation will lose Labour a lot of younger and ethnic minority votes (similar to Biden in America in certain States). So even if Labour win it won't be as big as projected.

Scirocco · 23/05/2024 19:22

mids2019 · 23/05/2024 18:45

So for some is having an independent 'pro Gaza' candidate important and where do they come from,?

Or, people could look at whether they have other options. The devolved nations have their own parties - people might want to look at their manifestos too.

42ndchance · 23/05/2024 19:39

Santasbigredbobblehat · 23/05/2024 06:22

I honestly think most people are more concerned with health services, education provision, affordability of food, rent etc.

This.

Also agree that most politicians will have noticed who the silent majority seems to be supporting. So they won't want to touch the issue with a barge pole, losing the Muslim votes is a drop in the ocean compared to that.

Rockthecasbah1 · 23/05/2024 20:19

If Labour get will they do a resettlement scheme like they have with the Ukrainians?

Scirocco · 23/05/2024 20:24

Rockthecasbah1 · 23/05/2024 20:19

If Labour get will they do a resettlement scheme like they have with the Ukrainians?

For who?

Palestinians? I doubt it.

Scirocco · 23/05/2024 20:33

When people are considering who to vote for, as well as looking at a party's manifesto, I'd encourage people to look at where their funding comes from.

The people and organisations giving money to political parties will have influence, both conscious and subconscious, upon decision-making.

Bells3032 · 24/05/2024 09:39

I think it's unlikely to swing much of the vote. I reckon only about 5-10% of the country really care that much about it and less of them care more about it than other issues that may sway them. Both main parties are generally supportive of Israel - though studies are showing a massive reduction in Labour support amongst Muslims (there was always a small but limited Tory support amongst them). But they are also more likely to live in areas which are labour safe seats and left wing supporters are also more likely to vote labour anyway they are unlikely to sway the vote as much.

The Jewish vote ie the pro-Israel vote is actually going to be more interesting. they are a smaller voice but they live in areas where the vote is more swing - they generally are less "loyal" to one party or another. Hendon, Hampstead and Kilburn and Golders Green and Finchley have had very close votes in the past and they all have very big Jewish votes that could easily influence the election.

Itsabeautufulday · 24/05/2024 10:22

Westfacing · 23/05/2024 06:09

It will be an issue in some quarters but not enough to affect the overall outcome of the general election.

Some areas of the country.

However, there are so many issues the country needs to focus on a d can actually change.

SharonEllis · 24/05/2024 12:04

keenforhelp · 23/05/2024 10:09

If your view is replicated with all the Pro-Palestinian supporters, then I will be most relieved as it will mean a defeat for an institutionally anti-Semitic Labour Party. KS has done his best but the old attitudes remain...

I don't think its institutionally antisemitic. I think there are pockets of major problems and I think the sort of denialism of a/s, 'resistance is justified' approach and pretending that Hamas aren't vicious fascists is a problem on the left and in the LP still. We see it again and again on these boards. But I think Labour has made progress and I think Starmer is genuine on this. You can join the Jewish Labour movement as an ally, as I did a long time ago to stand up against a/s in the party.

79Helene · 24/05/2024 16:55

SharonEllis · 24/05/2024 12:04

I don't think its institutionally antisemitic. I think there are pockets of major problems and I think the sort of denialism of a/s, 'resistance is justified' approach and pretending that Hamas aren't vicious fascists is a problem on the left and in the LP still. We see it again and again on these boards. But I think Labour has made progress and I think Starmer is genuine on this. You can join the Jewish Labour movement as an ally, as I did a long time ago to stand up against a/s in the party.

Agree with this otherwise I wouldn't be voting for them in July. He's cleaned up his house a lot.

SharonEllis · 24/05/2024 17:02

79Helene · 24/05/2024 16:55

Agree with this otherwise I wouldn't be voting for them in July. He's cleaned up his house a lot.

Its reassuring to know that you agree.

starfleet · 31/05/2024 12:20

I live in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims and has always been a very safe Labour seat. Our local MP is extremely good at his job and well liked. However, along with the Gaza stance by the LP and the fact that there have been several comments including "shaking off the fleas" directed towards the Muslim community from those higher up he might find that does lose some votes to an other standing.

For the first time in my voting life I find my moral conscience is directing me away from voting Labour at this election. It probably won't make a difference when at the last election Labour were at 59.9% in my area, but for me they are currently a 'Tory Lite' party. When they are accepting the likes of Natalie Elphicke and standing Luke Akehurst, then there is something intrinsically wrong within this party. I don't for one minute believe that Labour will lose this election, it remains to be seen if they can improve on the shit show we have had for 14 years and how much they will swing to the right in the meantime.

SharonEllis · 31/05/2024 16:10

starfleet · 31/05/2024 12:20

I live in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims and has always been a very safe Labour seat. Our local MP is extremely good at his job and well liked. However, along with the Gaza stance by the LP and the fact that there have been several comments including "shaking off the fleas" directed towards the Muslim community from those higher up he might find that does lose some votes to an other standing.

For the first time in my voting life I find my moral conscience is directing me away from voting Labour at this election. It probably won't make a difference when at the last election Labour were at 59.9% in my area, but for me they are currently a 'Tory Lite' party. When they are accepting the likes of Natalie Elphicke and standing Luke Akehurst, then there is something intrinsically wrong within this party. I don't for one minute believe that Labour will lose this election, it remains to be seen if they can improve on the shit show we have had for 14 years and how much they will swing to the right in the meantime.

Natalie Elphicke is retiring & won't be a Labour MP - I would not be comfortable with her being an MP but the point of elections is to get previous opponents to vote for you. What's wrong with Luke Akehurst? Im interested to know what it is about Labour's policy on Israel-Gaza that you object to? They are calling for a ceasefire, the return of the hostages, for Israel & Hamas to adhere to international law & for a 2 state solution.

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