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Conflict in the Middle East
DeepBiscuit · 02/04/2024 16:06

No sure why he keepsentioning he's a veteran like that somehow justifies supporting terrorists.

Cherryon · 02/04/2024 22:54

Oh dear, another American who falls afoul of our stricter laws on hate speech. There is no first amendment here.

Comedycook · 03/04/2024 12:40

I suggest he abides by the laws of this country.

AgnesX · 03/04/2024 12:43

Kind of ironic that he's a Vietnam vet. And protesting in this country..

Hoppinggreen · 03/04/2024 12:44

I dont give a shit that he fought in a war years ago, if he broke the law then he should be punished

Hoppinggreen · 03/04/2024 12:45

DeepBiscuit · 02/04/2024 16:06

No sure why he keepsentioning he's a veteran like that somehow justifies supporting terrorists.

Because in The US it seems to be some sort of pass to do what you want

SummerFeverVenice · 03/04/2024 14:10

DeepBiscuit · 02/04/2024 16:06

No sure why he keepsentioning he's a veteran like that somehow justifies supporting terrorists.

Vietnam was an unjust war the US prosecuted. The Viet-Cong were deemed the equivalent of terrorists at the time and entire Vietnamese villages (man, woman and child) were massacred by the US army and air force via napalm and carpet bombing. The civilians were dehumanised, soldiers raped and murdered their way across the country.

Military historians later realised that the terror tactics used by the Viet Cong were due from the desperation caused by the asymmetrical warfare of fighting a vastly technologically superior foe that outnumbered them 1,000 to 1, rather than a choice on their part to be terrorist-like.

He is most likely thinking Hamas are just like the Viet Cong, when they aren’t. The Viet Cong never attacked the US, they never expressed genocidal intent against american people, etc.

Americans tend to view the rest of the world through their own lens, ignoring contexts that are not American-centric.

He’s not wrong to support Palestine, but he is woefully projecting his Vietnam experience onto the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza and missing the forest for a few trees.

littleducks · 03/04/2024 14:20

"Stand With Hamas, End Israel, Free Palestine"

The article says that his sign said the above which I would not hold up myself but I am slightly surprised is illegal.

He describes himself as a tourist so presumably can return to the states without paying? He also reports he had been jailed in Israel so maybe he will be white happy to be jailed here too.

HermioneWeasley · 03/04/2024 14:22

@littleducks

hamas are a proscribed terrors group so publicly supporting them bloody well should be illegal.

also “end Israel” is genocidal.

CormorantStrikesBack · 03/04/2024 14:26

littleducks · 03/04/2024 14:20

"Stand With Hamas, End Israel, Free Palestine"

The article says that his sign said the above which I would not hold up myself but I am slightly surprised is illegal.

He describes himself as a tourist so presumably can return to the states without paying? He also reports he had been jailed in Israel so maybe he will be white happy to be jailed here too.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation in uk law and its illegal to support them. If his sign had just mentioned Palestine and not Hamas he’d probably have been ok.

littleducks · 03/04/2024 14:34

@HermioneWeasley I am not saying I think he should have held the sign but from the article it seemed to suggest that actually "end Israel" was offensive not illegal and "stand with Hamas" was the illegal part. Which I hadn't realised was illegal with power of arrest- you see far worse statements made- and I'm not lawyer or ever had need to research the law in depth on this. Like another poster said a slight change in wording might have led to a different outcome.

Soigneur · 03/04/2024 14:42

If only the police and CPS was always so assiduous in getting Americans who have committed offences here into court.

DeepBiscuit · 03/04/2024 14:46

littleducks · 03/04/2024 14:34

@HermioneWeasley I am not saying I think he should have held the sign but from the article it seemed to suggest that actually "end Israel" was offensive not illegal and "stand with Hamas" was the illegal part. Which I hadn't realised was illegal with power of arrest- you see far worse statements made- and I'm not lawyer or ever had need to research the law in depth on this. Like another poster said a slight change in wording might have led to a different outcome.

Supporting a terrorist group has been illegal for a while now. If he didn't want to get arrested he shouldn't have done it.

littleducks · 03/04/2024 14:51

The judge said that it was clear he didn't know (because he was American?) so not ignorance isn't a valid legal defence.

I actually read it and wondered if it was deliberate and he wants to be imprisoned as part of his protest as he was in Israel.

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