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Conflict in the Middle East

Ceasefire question.

7 replies

cleaningandbathing · 03/03/2024 09:35

Can I ask a question please? Apologies if this has been asked before or if I get my wording wrong.

In recent weeks our government has been voting for a ceasefire. Why? Why do we vote and why would anyone vote against a ceasefire? If we do have some sort of vote then why don’t we vote for ceasefires in Ukraine or Syria.

Basically, I don’t understand why our government were voting and who would say no to a ceasefire when asked.

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Dulra · 03/03/2024 09:52

Your government are voting on whether to support a ceasefire or not. Every few weeks a ceasefire is voted on in the UN general assembly so far the US has voted no and the UK has abstained. Both those countries hold the most power so a ceasefire is not called for.
If we do have some sort of vote then why don’t we vote for ceasefires in Ukraine or Syria.
There was and you have. The UN assembly has called for a ceasefire in these areas and is supporting a peaceful solution.

SummerFeverVenice · 03/03/2024 12:05

We voted for ceasefires for Ukraine and Syria.

We also filed genocide charges against Putin for Ukraine with the ICJ, and against Myanamar for Rohingya, in joint filings.

But have declined to do so for the Palestinians, despite the facts on the ground of mass destruction and an unprecedented rate of civilian deaths, child deaths, and deaths of humanitarian workers and journalists (even though no foreign journalists are being allowed in- so there aren’t that many to begin with)

We have declined to support the South Africa genocide filing to the ICJ

We have abstained from voting for a ceasefire on the UNSC but are hardly neutral. Our leading politicians, including our PM, have publicly stated they are against a ceasefire. The High Court dismissed a case brought to ban supplying weapons and ammunition to Israel, saying there is no risk IDF would use them to commit war crimes. British defence company, BAE had record breaking profits for 2023 from their arms sales to Israel, which are flowing regularly to Tel Aviv.

So we are not neutral and we are more than complicit bystanders. We are aiding and abetting what may be later ruled a genocide despite clear evidence that such a concern is credible and rational.

In the past, we British have done or assisted in genocides and largely got away with it. So we have an arrogant moral flexibility where our government tends to pick and choose sides based on geopolitics and profits; rather than any belief in or adherence to international law and ethics.

EasterIssland · 03/03/2024 18:23

why would anyone vote against a ceasefire?

tories and labour have vote against a ceasefire in the past.

AliceA2021 · 04/03/2024 08:46

I don't think if we ask for a ceasefire it will make a difference. I think people who think if the UK asks for one it will happen are deluded.

The US holds the most sway and I don't think Netanyahu even listens to them much. The whole situation is awful and only sanctions will make him reconsider.

Asking the Russians for a ceasefire didn't work since Putin doesn't want one.

SharonEllis · 04/03/2024 19:25

You would vote against a one-sided ceasefire because if Israel ceases to fire Hamas have made it clear that they will repeat October 7th and worse. They intend to destroy Israel. Its quite simple really. The only ceasefire that is possible is one where Hamas commit to it and where Hamas agree to release the hostages which they are still holding.

Apart from the obvious point that a vote in the HOC doesn't have a great deal of bearing on negotiations there anyway.

ConnieCounter · 04/03/2024 20:40

SharonEllis · 04/03/2024 19:25

You would vote against a one-sided ceasefire because if Israel ceases to fire Hamas have made it clear that they will repeat October 7th and worse. They intend to destroy Israel. Its quite simple really. The only ceasefire that is possible is one where Hamas commit to it and where Hamas agree to release the hostages which they are still holding.

Apart from the obvious point that a vote in the HOC doesn't have a great deal of bearing on negotiations there anyway.

I mean, there's never been a suggestion of a one sided ceasefire.

SummerFeverVenice · 06/03/2024 10:29

You would vote against a one-sided ceasefire
Because a one-sided ceasefire is an oxymoron. You need all sides to agree to simultaneously stop fighting for there to be a ceasefire.

If one side stops fighting and the other doesn’t, then that is called a total surrender by the one that stops fighting and a rout/massacre/war crime if the other side keeps killing.

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