Israeli Intelligence services ?

[Itoosurvive]

How can an intelligence service that is capable of intercepting a specific telephone call between two PIJ terrorists discussing a mis-fired rocket on a hospital, have no idea about the invasion and subsequent atrocity of Oct 7 that must have been months in the planning and involved hundreds of people.

Any thoughts ?

Exactly. Part of that includes casting doubt on cellular communication signals in ALL its forms.

7th October 2023 wasn't a technological failure, BTW. It was human strategic error. In other words, overreliance on modern High Technological equipment.

Just stop.

Your first link is the one you have used before and where it references communications also being jammed, that excerpt comes from a longer report:
https://www.gpsworld.com/gps-jamming-increases-amid-israel-hamas-conflict/
“Reports have surfaced indicating Hamas has actively jammed Israeli communication systems during the initial stages of the conflict. This strategic move highlights the increase of jamming GPS and communication networks in modern warfare scenarios, where precision and coordination are imperative.”

The reports (above) it links to regarding jamming communications goes to a Reuters report that states Hamas only jammed military communications:
”A commando unit attacked the Israeli army's southern Gaza headquarters and jammed its communications, preventing personnel from calling commanders or each other, the source said.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-israel-was-duped-hamas-planned-devastating-assault-2023-10-08/

Your second link is about GPS systems which are not communication technologies. They are positioning, navigating and and timing technologies (PNT). Knocking out GPS is not knocking out communications.

Your third link is about cyber warfare and propaganda over social media. That is also not knocking out civilian communications, after all you need these up and running to do cyber warfare and disseminate propaganda!

Your screen shot about Hamas militants “may have carried hand jammers” is pure speculation and there is no evidence that they did so. Even if they did, hand hammers can’t knock out cell phone towers. They only create a null zone blocking cell signals in a tiny radius around the bearer. It’s more to make you invisible to anyone tracking you by cell tower signals.

Hamas knocked out military communications. Not all communications, and not civilian communications.

“Indeed, your own link makes this clear as it took the Israeli Air Force some time to take to the air. More than an hour after.”

The article states the Air Force helicopters arrived on the scene in little more than an hour. Do you know how an emergency recall goes? Pilots have to get to base, helicopters are checked and fueled, weapons are armed and missiles/ammunition loaded, then the helicopters have to take off and fly to the site. Getting there in a little more than an hour isn’t some huge delay.

The fact it was a delay measured in minutes not hours is proof that civilian communications were still operative. Otherwise a person would have had to drive to the base, tell them what was up at the Nova massacre, and then their CO would have to drive to every Air Force members home and tell them to go to base and scramble the choppers. That would take hours.

Oct 7th was not a failure on the part of Israel. Why is it that a surprise terrorist attack is being cast as a failure of the victim (Israel) to protect itself?

You saying it was “a human strategic error of over reliance” on modern technology is not only victim blaming but is nonsense. Do you think that if Israel were less modern and say the civilian method of communication were people riding horses with letters or using carrier pigeons or lighting a bonfire and doing smoke signals that this would have gone better? Do you think Israel not having modern high tech helicopters to defend itself would have helped?

They, as fallible humans, did not realise the importance of intelligence they had been receiving from other humans.

This does not make the Hamas massacre carried out on their people was their fault.

It has to be possible to say that the warnings of Israeli female soldier lookouts were ignored, and that a detailed report about Hamas preparations from a senior Israeli female intelligence officer was thought not to relate to an actual threat - without accusing any person who relates this of being ‘victim blaming’. It is just another aspect of the whole horror.

Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan Over a Year Ago - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

https://www.timesofisrael.com/surveillance-soldiers-warned-of-hamas-activity-on-gaza-border-for-months-before-oct-7/

Surveillance soldiers charge sexism a factor in their Oct. 7 warnings being ignored | The Times of Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/surveillance-soldiers-say-oct-7-warnings-ignored-charge-sexism-played-a-role/
www.timesofisrael.com/surveillance-soldiers-say-oct-7-warnings-ignored-charge-sexism-played-a-role/amp/

Israeli intelligence leak details extent of warnings over Hamas attack | Israel | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/28/israeli-military-had-warning-of-hamas-training-for-attack-reports-say

I agree that sexism contributed to good intelligence being dismissed by higher IDF and Shin Bet authorities, which made Israel more vulnerable to attack from Hamas. I agree discussing such things isn’t blaming Israel for the attack.

Your post, Scrolling Leaves has the nuance that DownNative’s lacked as they wrote- “7th October 2023 wasn't a technological failure, BTW. It was human strategic error. In other words, overreliance on modern High Technological equipment.”

Anyone that says ‘October 7th was a (blank) failure’ and the ‘failure’ being posited is something Israel supposedly failed on crosses the line into victim blaming in my view.

Thank you for explaining.