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Conflict in the Middle East

The Nakba of 1948

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Watermelonpower · 07/01/2024 18:45

Hello everyone
I’m creating this thread because I feel there is not enough awareness about the Nakba of 1948 and the impact this had on the Palestinian people, community and the diaspora that was created as a result. Anyone seeking to understand current events in the Middle East needs to understand The Nakba, what it meant to Palestinians and how the consequences and generational trauma impacts Palestinians to this day. For those who are unaware, 70% of Gaza’s population are Nakba refugees/their descendants.

At the outset I would like to say this thread is about understanding and awareness. Above all, it is about the Palestinian experience and perspective. I would therefore appreciate it if people would keep this in mind and be respectful in their posting, ensuring MN Talk Guidelines are adhered to. I will be also be sharing some personal stories and
suggesting some additional resources and media for those who wish to learn more.

https://www.un.org/unispal/about-the-nakba/

About the Nakba

The Nakba, which means "catastrophe" in Arabic, refers to the mass displacement and dispossession of Palestinians during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. Before the Nakba, Palestine was a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural society. However, the conflict between...

https://www.un.org/unispal/about-the-nakba/

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BelleHathor · 09/02/2024 21:01

Thanks, excellent article. The author refutes so many repeated falsehoods. He can see the disaster of where the actions taken today are going to lead to tomorrow, but unfortunately not many are listening to him and will have to learn the lesson the hard way.

statsfun · 10/02/2024 12:39

What a very odd article!

The writer is suggesting that the word 'anti-semitism' should be re-purposed to mean the same as 'bigotry'. I understand his point that all forms of bigotry are harmful, but that doesn't seem like a good reason to get rid of the more precise word. We already have the more general word. Confused

Anti-semitism means "hostility to or prejudice against Jewish people". Unfortunately, that reality will still exist even if you get rid if the word for it: you just lose the ability to talk about it, measure it, track how it changes over time, and put in specific measures to address it. If you only measure bigotry in general, you may respond to increased attacks on Jewish schools (an increase in measured bigotry) by introducing a policy to include same sex characters in school plays. This may reduce bigotry overall (if there is also homophobia as well as anti-semitism), but won't have any effect on the increased anti-semitism. Precision matters.

Then there's his weird strawman argument about the journalist Abu Akleh, as if anyone was saying that Jewish people were the victims in her death Confused.

You can have multiple wrongs happening at the same time! If you had a culture where teachers hit boy students - but not girls for the same misbehaviour - that would be sexism and violence against children, and should certainly be stopped. If all the teachers did that - but only the black one was sacked for it - then that would be racism which should also be addressed. The teacher should be re-instated, and all teachers told not to hit students. Or else all the teachers sacked. But not only the black one.

And then there's his uninformed view on the Nakba. Yes 30% of the population were Jewish, but the Partition plan only assigned the Jewish state 20% of the British Palestinian mandate, not 50% Confused. I think he's conveniently forgetting Transjordan, which the Partitian proposal said should be completely emptied of Jews (East of the river Jordan).

He says "most Palestinias never attacked Jews". I'm pretty sure most Jews also didn't attack Palestinian Arabs. Confused

In 1947, the leadership of the Palestinian-Arabs initiated the war of the roads, to try to destroy the spread-out Palestinian-Jewish communities. The Jewish leadership then encouraged informal militias to become more formalised and attack areas which were attacking them. My understanding is that the directive on the Jewish side was only to attack in retaliation to prior attacks, in order to not disrail the Partition process. But it was a civil war, and these things are messy.

And you certainly have to go back further than even 1947 to understand the start of the civil war. Jewish people bought farms and moved the previous tenants out. Angry former-tenants created civil unrest. But these weren't a persecuted minority, they were a disaffected majority. We're so used to seeing Israel/Palestinians theough the lens of oppressor/oppressed that we forget that it was really very different in the 40s! The Hebron massacre of 1929 - sparked by false rumours about Jews - was arguably the point where civil war became inevitable (and that civil conflict is the reason the British recommended Partition rather than a single state).

The Arab nation armies did only come later - in 1948 - but to say that it was to protect the Palestinian Arabs really is a stretch!

LaDernièreChanson · 10/02/2024 12:50

@statsfun I knew just from reading your post before seeing the article it was going to be Beinart. A ridiculous, dishonest man whose position on Syria alone should have had him consigned to the corners of crankdom.

statsfun · 10/02/2024 16:12

It is absolutely heartbreaking, poor child Sad

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