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To think that it is wrong that there should be an increased terrorist threat because of the Gazan conflict

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floodlightonwhatisright · 29/12/2023 21:04

The Ukraine war , to my knowledge, for example, has not brought about an increased terrorist threat - so why should there an increased threat due to a conflict taking place thousands of miles away and started by a terrorist group themselves seizing hostages and carrying out a pogrom? And these hostages not even released yet to boot.

Talk about irony.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12909975/France-heightens-security-New-Years-Eve-high-terrorist-threat-blamed-war-Gaza-90-000-police-set-deployed.html

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Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 00:32

I think they were worried about a cyber threat and issues around gas/grain supply at the start of the R/U conflict from memory. However yes other than some Russian citizens living abroad that were seen as at risk from Putins assassins there wasn't a terrorist threat as such.

Unfortunately it is just the nature of the beast with this conflict or conflicts involving exstemists. Whilst it could be argued that Putin has a few extremist principles he is not an exstemists or a terrorist as such. More a dictator and a political manipulative vile man. He does use exstemists to carry out his work mind you but they are used in the Ukraine not sent elsewhere to do strike terror. That is not his game style.

WilmaWonka · 30/12/2023 01:41

Because they want an excuse for committing further savagery on the ‘infidels’.

Ukrainians and Russians don’t share that ideology.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/12/2023 01:54

Things are connected.

Russia utilised energy prices, international food provision, dissemination of fake news, assassination of "enemies" living in other countries and mercenaries in the wake of the war they've inflicted on Ukraine.

Less powerful regimes use terrorism.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/12/2023 01:56

Peace benefits everyone.

snowplacelikehome1 · 30/12/2023 01:58

Well we’re living in a country whose government supports the Israeli response to the October 7th attack on Jewish people.
There are probably millions of Muslim British people who are outraged by this.
Not difficult to see how this could escalate in the UK.

Singleandproud · 30/12/2023 02:13

France aren't the only ones, Netherlands have increased their threat level too and whilst we are 'only' at Substantial I wouldn't be surprised if ours increased soon too as apparently jihadist organisations were told to carry out terrorist attacks in Europe whilst we are distracted with Russia and Gaza conflicts

0palfrootee · 30/12/2023 08:04

snowplacelikehome1 · 30/12/2023 01:58

Well we’re living in a country whose government supports the Israeli response to the October 7th attack on Jewish people.
There are probably millions of Muslim British people who are outraged by this.
Not difficult to see how this could escalate in the UK.

Pretty outrageous and racist to suggest that British Muslims being unhappy with the UK government's support of Israel might turn to terrorism.

mollyfolk · 30/12/2023 10:09

two different situations- Russia had attacked with cyberattacks and using their gas - obviously Hamas don’t have anything like that capability. The Quran burnings , the western support of Israel and the Hamas attack itself will inflame terrorism for sure. Is it right? No of course not - we are all less safe.

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 10:38

I despair at this way of thinking

The Quran burning, western support for Israel etc will yes not help much improve the opinions of Islamic extremists about the west. However it is not the reason they don't like the west and commit terrorism. They have had this ideology a very long time. I mean some Arabs joined the nazi armies to kill westerners they hated the west so much. Plus we had terrorist attacks here before the latest developments. The conflict means that there is a more recent raising of alerts but the threats from Islamic extremists because they believe in only caliphate and want that everywhere/ don't tolerate western or religious difference has always been there

hollyholey · 30/12/2023 11:30

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/12/2023 01:56

Peace benefits everyone.

Except those that profit from war I guess - arms dealers etc etc.

ChickHenLittle · 30/12/2023 12:05

snowplacelikehome1 · 30/12/2023 01:58

Well we’re living in a country whose government supports the Israeli response to the October 7th attack on Jewish people.
There are probably millions of Muslim British people who are outraged by this.
Not difficult to see how this could escalate in the UK.

Could you explain why Muslims in particular will be outraged by this, and why they would "escalate" things?
Should we also fear reprisals from British Christians outraged by the attacks on Christians and their places of worship in Gaza?

Precipice · 30/12/2023 12:12

What is wrong? That Hamas terrorists, like other Islamic Fundamentalist terrorists, are a threat to Europe, or that the recognised terrorist threat level has been raised? Given things like this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/14/four-arrested-in-europe-over-alleged-cross-border-hamas-terrorism-plot, of course there is greater concern.

There wasn't the same concern about Russians setting off terror attacks elsewhere in Europe, because Russia operates attacks by conventional army, an element of cyberwarfare, rather than setting bombs off/attacking people at random to cause terror.

Wintersgirl · 30/12/2023 12:23

Plus we had terrorist attacks here before the latest developments.

Yep, I work for an Airline (20+ years) and as far as I can remember we have not been in the 'low risk' category for a very very long time, (we were always told on our training days what level we were at) simply by our involvments in conflicts in the Middle East plus our unfailing support for the US will always put us in the 'Substantial' or 'Critical' level, this is nothing new at all....

Restrelief · 30/12/2023 12:31

I’m guessing that the security forces are looking at the intelligence that they are getting. I don’t care the reason as long as those who need to take different precautions do that. (I worked in local government in London and there were different protocols for the security staff though not us).

As a member of the public it doesn’t impact me what level we are at unless there was a particular threat against my community which isn’t the case for me now.

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 12:39

Restrelief · 30/12/2023 12:31

I’m guessing that the security forces are looking at the intelligence that they are getting. I don’t care the reason as long as those who need to take different precautions do that. (I worked in local government in London and there were different protocols for the security staff though not us).

As a member of the public it doesn’t impact me what level we are at unless there was a particular threat against my community which isn’t the case for me now.

Government offices even local can be very high risk. Make sure you are careful and always be vigilant

My grandmother was a social worker in London during the time of the IRA troubles. They blew up a car bomb right outside her offices because it was a government building attached to another government building. All the windows were blown in and glass everywhere. It was at the weekend. So they were not in the office but she didn't feel safe there after going in to get files and seeing glass all over here desk.

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 14:04

Islamic terrorists massacre 200 Christians in Nigeria at Christmas.

Turkey are clashing with Kurds again

This isn't not just an issue with western politics or actions or Israel. Some pretty horrible stuff is happening all over the world at the moment.

Restrelief · 30/12/2023 17:28

Trulywonderful · 30/12/2023 12:39

Government offices even local can be very high risk. Make sure you are careful and always be vigilant

My grandmother was a social worker in London during the time of the IRA troubles. They blew up a car bomb right outside her offices because it was a government building attached to another government building. All the windows were blown in and glass everywhere. It was at the weekend. So they were not in the office but she didn't feel safe there after going in to get files and seeing glass all over here desk.

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Thanks @Trulywonderful . I’m not in council now.

Trulywonderful · 01/01/2024 23:07

This means they are saying they will potentially target British manufacturing sites

Which could be the sites itself, vehicles or buildings. All has the potentially for civilian causalites and deaths

To think that it is wrong that there should be an increased terrorist threat because of the Gazan conflict
Loulou599 · 02/01/2024 07:58

0palfrootee · 30/12/2023 08:04

Pretty outrageous and racist to suggest that British Muslims being unhappy with the UK government's support of Israel might turn to terrorism.

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Please stop gaslighting us. If you think this is racist, take it up with the French and Dutch states

Trulywonderful · 02/01/2024 15:42

That German one is worrying

LolaSmiles · 02/01/2024 15:55

It doesn't take much knowledge of recent history to see that the Russia/Ukraine war is different to the Israel/Gaza war, both in terms of the conflict itself and longer term security threats and terrorism.

Regardless of what personal views people have about each conflict, there's a big difference between how a large nation state and a patchwork terrorist network of religious extremists will operate.

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