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Conflict in the Middle East

Dehumanising of Palestinians

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dreamingdays · 06/12/2023 22:13

The persistent dehumanising of Palestinian civilians is everywhere, including here on MN and across social media, the news and more.

From branding all civilians including babies and young children as terrorists, to people saying innocent children sent to jail as deserving it, posts smearing all Palestinians with celebrating terrorist atrocities, others celebrating the death of young children (yes really), to politicians branding them “children of darkness”. To Palestinian men all lumped as Hamas or rapists. Palestinians called human animals or worse.

To the language used to describe Palestinians in the news is completely different, often using double standards. I also feel that leeway and downplaying is given towards people being racist towards Palestinians. It is brushed off or ignored or denied, not always taken seriously.

Maltreatment of Palestinian civilians is also ignored or excused or waved away and minimised, outright denied or ignored by many.

it just really gets me down. Please everyone, remember Palestinians are human beings. They have families, jobs, culture, skills, likes and dislikes, empathy and humanity.

if you see anyone displaying or downplaying racist attitudes, or making offensive dehumanising remarks please call them out. Please also take time to recognise and challenge dehumanising language used in the media and elsewhere.

On a broader level this dehumanising emboldens those undertaking their mistreatment, excuses and justifies illegal violence made towards them, as well as affecting each Palestinian on an individual level.

The same obviously goes for anyone using dehumanising language to anyone, whatever their nationality or religion.

Palestinians need support now.

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Galiana · 12/12/2023 15:31

Yah, Amnesty International is a non-partisan organisation that has absolutely no political affiliations.

Thanks for the link.

ChickHenLittle · 12/12/2023 15:33

Galiana · 12/12/2023 15:31

Yah, Amnesty International is a non-partisan organisation that has absolutely no political affiliations.

Thanks for the link.

Doesn't matter in this sense, what they have posted regarding displacement is a fact that can be consolidated through various sources, none of the exercpt I posted is opinion. Thanks for the feedback though.

FOJN · 12/12/2023 15:35

Galiana · 12/12/2023 15:03

That is just bonkers. I've been to Jerusalem & Tel Aviv. I'm not doing 'armchair psychology', it's pretty obvious what's going on.

I'm confused why you say the current situation has NOTHING TO DO WITH HAMAS (your caps). It has everything to do with Hamas.

You say Israel has been carrying out human rights violations for 75 years? Since its inception?

I'm not sure what to make of that.

Yes, since it's inception. Surely you have heard of the Nakba? It only got worse for Palestinians after that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

Galiana · 12/12/2023 15:59

FOJN · 12/12/2023 15:35

Yes, since it's inception. Surely you have heard of the Nakba? It only got worse for Palestinians after that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

You know anyone can edit Wiki yes?

And yes, I have heard of the Nakba.

So, is Palestine even a country? No, it's not. Did any of the Lavantine countries with their shifting borders want to answer the question of who Palestine actually belongs to? No, fuck that, it's too complicated.

Do you lot think the Jewish people don't deserve a homeland?

What is your point?

I don't want to see anyone killed, Palestinian or Israeli. It's a contentious piece of soil. And has been for a couple of thousand years.

If you could all come up with a solution to the ongoing Middle East schizzle, I'd love to hear it.

FOJN · 12/12/2023 16:32

Galiana · 12/12/2023 15:59

You know anyone can edit Wiki yes?

And yes, I have heard of the Nakba.

So, is Palestine even a country? No, it's not. Did any of the Lavantine countries with their shifting borders want to answer the question of who Palestine actually belongs to? No, fuck that, it's too complicated.

Do you lot think the Jewish people don't deserve a homeland?

What is your point?

I don't want to see anyone killed, Palestinian or Israeli. It's a contentious piece of soil. And has been for a couple of thousand years.

If you could all come up with a solution to the ongoing Middle East schizzle, I'd love to hear it.

Yes I am well aware that anyone can edit Wikipedia. If you have heard of the Nakba why are you taking issue with a wiki link? Are you going to deny that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were not displaced during it?

I'm not quite sure who you are referring to when you say, "you lot" but those of us who oppose Israeli actions and policies in the occupied territories are not a hive mind.

Do Palestinians not deserve a homeland? You know they occupied the land before 1948. Why should someone who has never been to Israel be able to get Israeli citizenship and live there if they meet the criteria of having one Jewish grandparent and the Palestinians whose families lived there for generations not be able to return after they were forcibly displaced. The Palestinians had nothing to do with the Holocaust, why is their desire to live freely in the place if their birth seen as so unreasonable?

Find me a piece of land that has not been contentious at some point in history but most of us don't think it's OK to lay claim to land our ancient ancestors might have inhabited once upon at time at the expense of the current inhabitants. I'm not advocating for the dismantling of Israel but they are going to have to compromise.

The issues in Israel/Palestine are not as old as many people think, people are trying to roll every conflict that ever happened in the area into a single ongoing dispute. This podcast explains it in detail. The podcaster does not shy away from details of the horrific pograms and persecution of jewish people in Europe which ultimately spawned the Zionist movement but he also covers the intentional dishonesty used by political Zionists to achieve their aims. The whole series in this podcast is many hours long so its really not not for anyone who isn't committed to increasing their understanding.

https://martyrmade.com/fear-and-loathing-in-the-new-jerusalem-pt-1/

My point is that the Palestinian people have been treated appallingly by both Israel and large sections of the international community and it needs to stop right now.

What's your point? Palestine isn't even a country so they don't count and should STFU about their mistreatment?

MartyrMade Podcast #1 - On the Conflict Between Israel and Palestine - MartyrMade

The story of the conflict between Israel and Palestine is one of hope and desperation, courage and terror, heroes and villains, and finally, only tragedy.

https://martyrmade.com/fear-and-loathing-in-the-new-jerusalem-pt-1

dreamingdays · 12/12/2023 16:48

Someone recommended this on another thread.

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Having watched it would recommend it to anyone unfamiliar with how Palestinian civilians are treated.

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Galiana · 12/12/2023 17:04

'intentional dishonesty used by political Zionists to achieve their aims.'

Nothing to see here, move along now.

Also like the way you sidestepped any discussion of the larger Lavantine region.

dreamingdays · 12/12/2023 17:06

@Galiana Can I suggest you watch the video linked above?

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Galiana · 12/12/2023 17:18

I will @dreamingdays.

The Sanctuary for Independent Media sounds a bit hyperbolic though!

Plus it's 1 hour 30 so I may not respond before tomorrow.

I will watch. I absolutely believe in being even-handed

stomachameleon · 12/12/2023 17:20

@Galiana a response to Chris Hedges. I found this quite interesting.

honestreporting.com/eyeless-in-gaza/

FOJN · 12/12/2023 17:23

Galiana · 12/12/2023 17:04

'intentional dishonesty used by political Zionists to achieve their aims.'

Nothing to see here, move along now.

Also like the way you sidestepped any discussion of the larger Lavantine region.

Listen to the podcast.

Galiana · 12/12/2023 17:27

@stomachameleon, thanks.

I did wonder about Chris Hedges as soon as I turned the YouTube film on.

I will listen to the podcast @FOJN

I will watch Chris Hedges @dreamingdays

I will read the article @stomachameleon

Thank you all for the material.

PeasfullPerson · 12/12/2023 17:41

feralunderclass · 12/12/2023 14:49

Throughout the course of these threads there's been an interesting process. Anyone expressing concern about Palestinians was initially labelled as antisemitic or a Jew hater, then they were diagnosed with anxiety disorder and /or ASD or having an OBSESSION (either with Palestinians or with Jewish people) and now we are being told that Hamas are playing us? Can you please stop with the armchair psychology?!
I am so utterly heartbroken about what is happening now, and I have been since I visited more than 20 years ago. It has NOTHING to do with Hamas. Stop using Hamas as a human shield for the horrific atrocities and human rights violations that Israel has been carrying out for 75 years.
ETA: coming onto a thread about the dehumanisation of a people, and telling people their empathy/concern is misplaced is so incredibly dehumanising. Please have a bit of respect.

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It also really upsets me when people use Hamas as a yard stick for showing how much better the Israeli government are handling this. I wish they would set some higher standards!

Galiana · 12/12/2023 17:53

PeasfullPerson · 12/12/2023 17:41

It also really upsets me when people use Hamas as a yard stick for showing how much better the Israeli government are handling this. I wish they would set some higher standards!

I'm not sure anyone's done that.

I would like to examine the situation in a non-partisan way. Comments like that don't really help anyone.

PackageCount167 · 12/12/2023 18:23

Galiana · 12/12/2023 14:23

You don't get to say what people can post.

I'm not derailing and it's not disrespectful.

Or do you just get to set the agenda?

@Galiana ironic you are saying "comments like that dont really help anyone" when you disagree, what happened to discussing the issue?!

FOJN · 12/12/2023 18:55

Yet another far right delight from the Israeli Parliament.

https://youtube.com/shorts/IFgWO7gqE54?si=FZWw4E5JnBE0u4El

dreamingdays · 12/12/2023 19:11

@FOJN there are no words for someone this racist, nasty and vengeful.

"Proportionality must cease to exist, if one Israeli mother is crying then 1000 Palestinian mothers must cry".

Shameful. And this is the way the govt think?

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ChickHenLittle · 12/12/2023 20:08

dreamingdays · 12/12/2023 19:11

@FOJN there are no words for someone this racist, nasty and vengeful.

"Proportionality must cease to exist, if one Israeli mother is crying then 1000 Palestinian mothers must cry".

Shameful. And this is the way the govt think?

He's a shameful excuse for a man. Believing someone is better and more worthy due to their nationality... ugh. There are no words.

Toothyfruity · 12/12/2023 21:20

Disgusting video. But sadly not surprising.

PeasfullPerson · 12/12/2023 21:33

Galiana · 12/12/2023 17:53

I'm not sure anyone's done that.

I would like to examine the situation in a non-partisan way. Comments like that don't really help anyone.

I think my comment was helpful.

Do you want people to stop advocating for the human rights of Palestinians? Is that why you’ve come on this thread?

Parkingt111 · 12/12/2023 22:12

As I said previously I made the mistake of watching one video that popped up and now my feed is full of it
It seems like they spend half the time fighting and other half doing crap like this

Toothyfruity · 12/12/2023 22:30

@Parkingt111 oh God. Nightmare. I didn't watch the video. The screenshots were enough. It's the audience I wonder about.

feralunderclass · 13/12/2023 08:54

I don't watch BBC news but Jeremy Bowen has just spoken on R4 and interestingly he said that (within the context of Israel's propaganda and UK/US support) they have BBC news on in their offices 24/7 and you don't see Palestinian suffering at all. It's mostly about the events of 7/10, talk of hostages etc, he said the utter carnage is not conveyed at all.

dreamingdays · 13/12/2023 09:23

@feralunderclass absolutely, it's just not shown on news media. Yes you can see some of it on social media but the national press display such a sanitised and limited version of events that give an entirely different perception of what is actually going on.

It really is shameful.

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