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Palestinian children don't get PTSD

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Katy231 · 02/12/2023 16:10

This really got to me today.

"In Gaza there is no post (traumatic) because the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and continuous."

I feel so sorry for these children and I can't believe our government is supporting this genocide.

Palestinian children don't get PTSD
Palestinian children don't get PTSD
Palestinian children don't get PTSD
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beigecartoon · 02/12/2023 20:32
  • During arrest, 42% of children were injured, including gunshot wounds and broken bones, and 65% of children were arrested during the night, mostly between midnight and dawn. Half of all arrests took place in the children’s home.
  • The majority of children experienced appalling levels of physical and emotional abuse, including being beaten (86%), being threatened with harm (70%), and hit with sticks or guns (60%).
  • Some children reported violence and abuse of a sexual nature, including being hit or touched on the genitals and 69% reported being strip searched.
  • 60% of children experienced solitary confinement with the length of time varying from one 1 day to as long as 48 days.
  • Children were denied access to basic services, 70% said they suffered from hunger and 68% said they didn’t receive any healthcare.
  • 58% of children were denied visits or communication with their family while detained.
  • The majority of children detained are boys – a trend reflected by the survey, with boys representing 97% of the respondents.

just pasting some content from the save the children report a pp linked above, it makes for very grim reading.

beigecartoon · 02/12/2023 20:33

feralunderclass · 02/12/2023 20:28

This is from July and focuses on the West Bank. The situation is much worse now. Prolonged low level trauma is worse for the brain than a single, high level traumatic event. I don't know how these children keep going 😢

Violence against Palestinian Children

Thank you. Appalling stuff.

Rezola · 02/12/2023 20:41

Do we at least all agree that Palestinian children would be better off not living under Hamas? If there was a democratic government in Palestine, and children weren't raised to hate Jews, Israel wouldn't have to take the measures it has to now to keep it's people safe. There are not any Israeli child suicide bombers, there are not Israeli camps for children that teach them how to slit people's throats. These things are unique to Palestinian children. I would hope though that after the war is over, Palestinian children will get support, because the images are heartbreaking and they will really need it. At the moment it seems like even some if the "aid organisations" are under Hamas control.

EasterIssland · 02/12/2023 20:46

Rezola · 02/12/2023 20:41

Do we at least all agree that Palestinian children would be better off not living under Hamas? If there was a democratic government in Palestine, and children weren't raised to hate Jews, Israel wouldn't have to take the measures it has to now to keep it's people safe. There are not any Israeli child suicide bombers, there are not Israeli camps for children that teach them how to slit people's throats. These things are unique to Palestinian children. I would hope though that after the war is over, Palestinian children will get support, because the images are heartbreaking and they will really need it. At the moment it seems like even some if the "aid organisations" are under Hamas control.

Do we at least all agree that Palestinian children would be better off not living under Hamas?
yes

unfourtunately, looks like nenthayu wants to also mandate in Palestine post the war and I don’t think that’s wise

also, I do think Palestinians should live without the fear of being kicked out by settlers

or being arrested because they’ve thrown a stone and put in jail without any court order or even being judged

itd also be good for Israel kids not to grow up hating palestines

i mean they’d live better without Hamas but Hamas is not the only one affecting their ptsd

Rezola · 02/12/2023 20:50

I agree Israel would be better off with a more centerist govt. I am not a fan of netanyahu at all.

feralunderclass · 02/12/2023 20:53

Rezola · 02/12/2023 20:41

Do we at least all agree that Palestinian children would be better off not living under Hamas? If there was a democratic government in Palestine, and children weren't raised to hate Jews, Israel wouldn't have to take the measures it has to now to keep it's people safe. There are not any Israeli child suicide bombers, there are not Israeli camps for children that teach them how to slit people's throats. These things are unique to Palestinian children. I would hope though that after the war is over, Palestinian children will get support, because the images are heartbreaking and they will really need it. At the moment it seems like even some if the "aid organisations" are under Hamas control.

What the actual....? You are blaming these children for their trauma,rather than the racist, apartheid occupation that they are under. Hamas are a terrorist organization. The primary reason Palestinians are under horrible conditions is not because of Hamas. It's because of Israel. Please stop trying to look beyond this fact. And Palestinians are not all raised to hate Jews!

HeidiInTheBigCity · 02/12/2023 20:56

sunshinesupermum · 02/12/2023 19:02

Do you also worry about the children bombarded in Ukraine, Yemen, Syria, Somalia, Sudan etc etc.

Do you?!

Personally, I took a year off work during the height of the Syrian war to go and volunteer my time for refugees in the Mediterranean.

Did you?

Because, if you did not: do not you DARE to "whatabout" me! I worked my arse off for free to rescue these kids from the sea, to feed them, to clothe them and to provide them with some semblance of normality and even the very basics of an education.

So: have you given up an annual salary to try and help out? Because, if you have not: you do not get to lecture me on "why you should care about everything else except Palestine".

I was there in Greece. I was in Guatemala. And, yes, I was in Palestine, too - and out of all of them, Palestine is where I left my heart behind. But I was in the other places, too.

Where were you, though?

Rezola · 02/12/2023 21:02

feralunderclass · 02/12/2023 20:53

What the actual....? You are blaming these children for their trauma,rather than the racist, apartheid occupation that they are under. Hamas are a terrorist organization. The primary reason Palestinians are under horrible conditions is not because of Hamas. It's because of Israel. Please stop trying to look beyond this fact. And Palestinians are not all raised to hate Jews!

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Well it was Hamas who took the billions of dollars of international aid and spent it building tunnels and buying weapons instead of on their people. They are the elected govt. of Gaza. It's not the children's fault but it's not Israel's either.....they would like nothing better than to live in peace, I don't think you can say the same for their enemies.

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Katy231 · 02/12/2023 21:07

HeidiInTheBigCity · 02/12/2023 18:43

Back when I travelled to Palestine for the very first time - this seems like ages ago, now - I was struck by how small many of the people I encountered were.

I am a European woman of average height, and I found myself, literally, speaking to Palestinian men "at eye level" and, literally, "looking down upon" women.

Then, I met their parents and their younger siblings! And while, on average, I would still say that the average British person is taller than the average Palestinian one (just like the average Dutch person is taller than your average Brit), these people were noticeable less short.

I eventually mentioned this to a friend I had recently made, a doctor. She sort of laughed at me and said "what you are seeing is children who grew up during a war - the people you think are short were children during the worst of the 1st intifada! They stayed short because they never had enough! Not enough food, not enough safety, not enough of anything. They were traumatised, and they just stopped growing!"

Two decades later, I am still taken aback by her words (but she was right)!

Oh wow, it's really eye opening.

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beigecartoon · 02/12/2023 21:08

@Rezola Israel’s not looking like it wants peace for children when its killed 4000+ in the last few weeks, be honest. Not to mention starved and dehydrated and denied them all aid, and made them homeless.

feralunderclass · 02/12/2023 21:08

Rezola · 02/12/2023 21:02

Well it was Hamas who took the billions of dollars of international aid and spent it building tunnels and buying weapons instead of on their people. They are the elected govt. of Gaza. It's not the children's fault but it's not Israel's either.....they would like nothing better than to live in peace, I don't think you can say the same for their enemies.

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I suggest you read something more reliable than the Daily Mail and educate yourself. Israel would like nothing better than to live in peace.... Lol!

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Katy231 · 02/12/2023 21:10

beigecartoon · 02/12/2023 20:32

  • During arrest, 42% of children were injured, including gunshot wounds and broken bones, and 65% of children were arrested during the night, mostly between midnight and dawn. Half of all arrests took place in the children’s home.
  • The majority of children experienced appalling levels of physical and emotional abuse, including being beaten (86%), being threatened with harm (70%), and hit with sticks or guns (60%).
  • Some children reported violence and abuse of a sexual nature, including being hit or touched on the genitals and 69% reported being strip searched.
  • 60% of children experienced solitary confinement with the length of time varying from one 1 day to as long as 48 days.
  • Children were denied access to basic services, 70% said they suffered from hunger and 68% said they didn’t receive any healthcare.
  • 58% of children were denied visits or communication with their family while detained.
  • The majority of children detained are boys – a trend reflected by the survey, with boys representing 97% of the respondents.

just pasting some content from the save the children report a pp linked above, it makes for very grim reading.

This is what I don't understand. How can we ever support a country that commits these crimes. Those poor children. They don't know any different. They grow up into adults, ofcourse they will hate Israel. Any person would after all this.

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TravellingT · 02/12/2023 21:16

Generational trauma is very real, and can be passed down from just one traumatic event. I can't imagine the psychological and physiological trauma these kids are experiencing. How does an entire country of people move on from this? How does a population recover from genocide?

beigecartoon · 02/12/2023 21:17

@TravellingT the genocide has to stop before a recovery can be attempted. Praying for that soon. 💔

Rachna83 · 02/12/2023 21:21

The cycle repeats. The children in Gaza now, what are they seeing and what will this do to them. This will then affect what adults they grow up to be. They have fled south, now they are not safe on the south. They have lost their homes and family members. Life is so uncertain for them.

Rezola · 02/12/2023 21:24

beigecartoon · 02/12/2023 21:08

@Rezola Israel’s not looking like it wants peace for children when its killed 4000+ in the last few weeks, be honest. Not to mention starved and dehydrated and denied them all aid, and made them homeless.

What should they do though? 1200 of their citizens were murdered in the most horrific way imaginable. They need to make sure that can never happen again. They have done what they can to give civilians warnings but the bottom line is Hamas need to be taken out completely. The fact that Hamas don't really care about their population makes that really hard...in fact Hamas celebrate their citizens dying if it was in the pursuit of Jews ( they pay money to the families of suicide bombers and others). You can't negotiate with people like this. I don't really have an answer but I support Israel...I have family there and in the IDF, they don't want to be there but they are united in defending Israel.

feralunderclass · 02/12/2023 21:28

Rezola · 02/12/2023 21:24

What should they do though? 1200 of their citizens were murdered in the most horrific way imaginable. They need to make sure that can never happen again. They have done what they can to give civilians warnings but the bottom line is Hamas need to be taken out completely. The fact that Hamas don't really care about their population makes that really hard...in fact Hamas celebrate their citizens dying if it was in the pursuit of Jews ( they pay money to the families of suicide bombers and others). You can't negotiate with people like this. I don't really have an answer but I support Israel...I have family there and in the IDF, they don't want to be there but they are united in defending Israel.

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They should stop the apartheid, stop the human rights violations, stop the illegal land grabbing for a start.

Rezola · 02/12/2023 21:28

Rachna83 · 02/12/2023 21:21

The cycle repeats. The children in Gaza now, what are they seeing and what will this do to them. This will then affect what adults they grow up to be. They have fled south, now they are not safe on the south. They have lost their homes and family members. Life is so uncertain for them.

And this is true too. We could be creating another generation of Hamas. There are no easy answers.

beigecartoon · 02/12/2023 21:30

@rezola they’ve done more than enough killing. They should stop. They are committing war crimes. Thats not ok. Israel doesn’t care about palestinians any more than hamas do. They oppress, they run a racist apartheid state and generally treat them like crap.

i’d say you had a point if Israel treated palestinians decently. Unfortunately they don’t.

EasterIssland · 02/12/2023 21:30

Rezola · 02/12/2023 21:28

And this is true too. We could be creating another generation of Hamas. There are no easy answers.

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We could be creating another generation of Hamas

by we do you mean Israel?

Rachna83 · 02/12/2023 21:36

Even prior to October 7 you have to look at the conditions the Palestinians have had to endure. The borders, sea, air of Gaza are controlled by Israel. Hamas controls the land inside. You jail an entire population like that for years what do you expect. Would any of us want to live like that? 75% of the population in Gaza are refugees so they were already displaced from the creation of Israel in 1948.

Rezola · 02/12/2023 21:36

EasterIssland · 02/12/2023 21:30

We could be creating another generation of Hamas

by we do you mean Israel?

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Yes, but at this point I don't see what other option Israel has. Hopefully post war, integration can happen and all children can be brought up in peace.

beigecartoon · 02/12/2023 21:41

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ssd · 02/12/2023 21:44

Those poor children. And their parents. The suffering is unimaginable.