Delighted for Emily Hand

[Cashncarry68]

..and her family. Her story is one that resonated with many people. If that were my little girl, I would never let her out of my sight. I expect her parents realise what a blessing really does now look like.

Do you have a problem with the turn of phrase collateral damage? I am sure I have seen that this saying presents an issue. Are you au fait with some phrases rather than others? is one more appropriate than the other?

Found because she then turned out to be alive and was returned.

How do you 'return' a human being? What is she, a library book someone's borrowed?

Or a faulty hoover you return to the shop?

Wow. The absolute irony of Toothyfruity calling it a "turn of phrase"!

Can you read? I didn't say a bad word about the child so please stop making up random lies.

I criticized the Israeli government ministers who are trying to start a fight with the Irish PM over the wording of a tweet.

Wow this place is even madder than twitter.

I know what you did it's clear to see. Reread your post and ask why you are posting here and the 'turn of phrase' you used.

I still have no idea what you're talking about.

@jollyjeffrey According to what I read her father is not Jewish.
Honest to God some of the crap on here.
Really glad she is home, many thousands of children will never be home.

No idea why everyone is piling on @Toothyfruity

Their points make sense & I agree.

Leo Varadkar along with the Irish government & most Irish people deplores the violence meted out on both sides; the language used is referring to the 'loss' endured by Emily's and the joy that she has been returned to them. It's not that complicated.

It is a bit complicated by Ireland taking a very different stance from the USA and UK on Israel however never mind Ireland's neutrality in WWII.

I tell you why I was annoyed.
Starting off because instead of just being pleased (and this is a thread about Emily not a generic one) they had to say she looked 'healthy' which feeds into the she has just had a little break narrative.
Then to say about the children not coming home for the millionth time.
I imagine she will look 'nervous' she has just been kept hostage. It's another thing to kick Israel with.... why would they film them?
Then to defend the terminology
used in that fake 'ridiculous' way when it's about the bigger picture where Ireland are concerned.
It's whataboutery at its finest. On a thread about the return of a special little girl. Just knock it off for one thread maybe? (Que rant)

No, it's not complicated.

Someone being lost means an action by themselves or an an inadvertent action by someone else. This not what happened.

As for someone being 'returned' , that's just wrong. You return an object, you don't return someone who possesses agency themselves.

@Toothyfruity and yet you have...
Yawn....

Someone being lost means an action by themselves or an an inadvertent action by someone else. This not what happened.

Of course it doesn't. Someone can be 'lost' to you for many reasons including death, emotional loss, relationship breakdown etc.

It doesn't mean physically lost as cannot be found.

It's a linguistic term (and in this case, echoing a Bible passage & famous hymn of praise & thanks).

As for someone being 'returned' , that's just wrong. You return an object, you don't return someone who possesses agency themselves

It's absolutely not - you clearly have poor understanding of the English language!

Of course you can talk about someone being 'returned' to you. It's a very common phrasing - nothing to do with agency. What it refers to is the 'return' being granted to you eg by a higher power / grace / God, whatever you wish, and does not absolve the factual issue of what had happened eg someone critically ill in a road accident, or forced to fight in a war, or, as here, abducted by terrorists.

God people's lack of understanding of language is baffling.

Is that what baffles you in this whole situation? Where's that poster who was talking about privilege?

Of courseyou can talk about someone being 'returned' to you. It's a very common phrasing - nothing to do with agency. What it refers to is the 'return' being granted to you eg by a higher power / grace / God, whatever you wish, and does not absolve the factual issue of what had happened eg someone critically ill in a road accident, or forced to fight in a war, or, as here, abducted by terrorists.

No, it's you who displays a lack of understanding of how the language used here minimises the hostage taking.

She wasn't 'lost', she was taken. This is what Varadkar failed to reference.

Is the usage of lost and returned referenced above valid? Of course it is. Here though, talking about Emily Hand, it masks and minimises what really happened.

@Depdawg

What?

I said I was baffled by that poster's lack of comprehension with regard to how English works and is used.

If by 'entire situation' you are suggesting I don't have strong feelings about the Gaza Conflict, you're (of course) completely wrong - they are a lot stronger than 'bafflement' though. As I assume are any right-thinking person's, about atrocities on both sides.

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat

Of course it doesn't.

Are you Irish? Have you spent any time reading or listening to the unequivocal condemnations of violence and terrorism in the conflict?

And are you ignoring the intense and prolonged, and sensitive, diplomatic representations that helped secure Emily's release?

Only if you are unable or haven't read the wider statements, and actions, of the Irish Government, making it abundantly clear about their position on the matter.