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Conflict in the Middle East
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Thereissomelight · 15/11/2023 09:12

Wintersgirl · 14/11/2023 18:42

Netanyahu and his henchmen are evil fucking monsters...., I hope they're tried for war crimes.

Agree.

@Ohlalalalala thank you for all your threads and information.

Ohlalalalala · 15/11/2023 16:49

Thereissomelight · 15/11/2023 09:12

Agree.

@Ohlalalalala thank you for all your threads and information.

You're welcome!

The purpose of the threads is to try to inform the uninformed, correct the misinformed, debunk the myths and fight the propaganda/ hasbara.

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Reallifelurker · 15/11/2023 17:08

Then they stay where they are and get slaughtered by the IDF whilst the UN and the EC and the demonstrators and the rest of the world squeak ineffectual protests. Which is what’s happening and about to happen right now

I don’t suppose there’s any chance the IDF could, y’know, NOT slaughter them?

It’s fairly obvious this is just a ploy to nab Gaza.

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 16/11/2023 07:59

Why am I not surprised!

FtRttS · 22/11/2023 18:28

Agree 100%

FtRttS · 22/11/2023 18:34

Simple solution. Go back to the United Nations mapped area of 64’. Send all the illegal settlers back to wherever they came from or Israel territories absorb them. Palestine once again becomes a recognised state and governs its people. Israel to be held accountable and tried for all the war crimes it has committed against Palestinians since 48’.

FtRttS · 22/11/2023 18:38

100%

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 16/05/2024 13:06

Just becaue one or two idiots say stuff like that it does not mean it will happen

You get cleons in Russia saying awful stuff, EG "nuke Britain" on an almost regular basis.
Therefore, a non-story IMO.

However, I'm not sure why Egypt is not letting people in for a short time until Hamas has been eradicated and hostages released. The Israeil PM can be kicked along with settlers from the West Bank

TheABC · 16/05/2024 14:01

However, I'm not sure why Egypt is not letting people in for a short time until Hamas has been eradicated and hostages released. The Israeil PM can be kicked along with settlers from the West Bank

Egypt already has 70,000 Palestinian refugees and their own internal problems. They don't want an increase and if Hamas does start firing rockets from Egyptian territory in Israel it could wreck the peace treaty between the two countries.

dadoodoodoo · 16/05/2024 15:50

TheABC · 16/05/2024 14:01

However, I'm not sure why Egypt is not letting people in for a short time until Hamas has been eradicated and hostages released. The Israeil PM can be kicked along with settlers from the West Bank

Egypt already has 70,000 Palestinian refugees and their own internal problems. They don't want an increase and if Hamas does start firing rockets from Egyptian territory in Israel it could wreck the peace treaty between the two countries.

Also there is a very real risk they wouldn't be allowed back into Gaza and it would become a permanent situation.

Auvergne63 · 16/05/2024 16:00

PosterBoy · 14/11/2023 14:00

How about Madagascar?

Are you ready for the backlash?

Tel12 · 16/05/2024 16:01

This has always been the game plan.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 16/05/2024 20:41

Also there is a very real risk they wouldn't be allowed back into Gaza and it would become a permanent situation.

A load or total rubbish that is said without a shred of proof

Do you really want me to tell you why Egypt or anyone else does not want them??

dadoodoodoo · 17/05/2024 09:24

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator With this sort of rhetoric and discussion going on, how can you not think think that both Egypt and the people of Gaza have a right to be concerned about this? There is clearly a faction who want Gazans resettled elsewhere. And as there is no end game for "the day after" for Gaza I really don't see how you can discount it. Not particularly great examples below but am at work so can't spend longer on this.
An Israeli ministry, in a 'concept paper,' proposes transferring Gaza civilians to Egypt's Sinai | AP News
Israeli MKs Call on West to 'Welcome' Refugees From Gaza - Israel News - Haaretz.com

Israeli MKs call on West to 'welcome' refugees from Gaza

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-14/ty-article/israeli-mks-publish-plan-to-transfer-gazans-to-europe-to-alleviate-humanitarian-crisis/0000018b-ce7c-d168-a3ef-dffeed320000

dadoodoodoo · 17/05/2024 12:00

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 17/05/2024 09:29

The real reason why Egypt wont allow Gazans in

Egypt is also concerned that opening the crossing could allow in Hamas and its sympathizers.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/why-egypt-wont-open-border-its-palestinian-neighbors

That's not news - and has been acknowledged up thread. But it doesn't mean there aren't other concerns.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 17/05/2024 13:49

dadoodoodoo · 17/05/2024 12:00

That's not news - and has been acknowledged up thread. But it doesn't mean there aren't other concerns.

So the "news" is "not news" because it does not suit your agenda?

Which part of the following are you unable to comprehend??

'Egypt' and other Arab nations do not want the people of Gaza is for fear of the shit-stirring, murderous Hamas and their cronies would sneaking in with the ordinary people of Gaza and destabilise their country and that my dear friend is a fact

dadoodoodoo · 17/05/2024 15:10

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 17/05/2024 13:49

So the "news" is "not news" because it does not suit your agenda?

Which part of the following are you unable to comprehend??

'Egypt' and other Arab nations do not want the people of Gaza is for fear of the shit-stirring, murderous Hamas and their cronies would sneaking in with the ordinary people of Gaza and destabilise their country and that my dear friend is a fact

I mean it;s not the "big reveal" that you seem to think it is. No-one is denying this on this thread and @theABC has already raised the security concerns. It is a security risk that Egypt is understandably nervous of, particularly given the issues with the Muslim Brotherhood. But they are also concerned that the situation could become permanent given the both covert and overt discussions going on in Israel. I have never said this is the only concern.

SummerFeverVenice · 17/05/2024 15:20

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 16/05/2024 20:41

Also there is a very real risk they wouldn't be allowed back into Gaza and it would become a permanent situation.

A load or total rubbish that is said without a shred of proof

Do you really want me to tell you why Egypt or anyone else does not want them??

Yy, only proof is the historical fact that the 1.5m refugee Palestinians in all the refugee camps in Gaza have been there since 1948’s Nakba. The Palestinians who had been herded there by the Israeli state in 1948 had been promised they’d be allowed back to their homes in days, weeks at most, but instead their homes and lands were given away to Jewish settlers or their villages were bulldozed and things like parks, or beach resorts or universities were built on top.

SummerFeverVenice · 17/05/2024 15:23

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 17/05/2024 13:49

So the "news" is "not news" because it does not suit your agenda?

Which part of the following are you unable to comprehend??

'Egypt' and other Arab nations do not want the people of Gaza is for fear of the shit-stirring, murderous Hamas and their cronies would sneaking in with the ordinary people of Gaza and destabilise their country and that my dear friend is a fact

And for the 99.9% of Palestinians that aren’t terrorists, to allow Isrsel to forcibly deport all Palestinians from Gaza would make Egypt and other nations complicit in ethnic cleansing, which is a crime against humanity.

SummerFeverVenice · 17/05/2024 16:00

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 16/05/2024 13:06

Just becaue one or two idiots say stuff like that it does not mean it will happen

You get cleons in Russia saying awful stuff, EG "nuke Britain" on an almost regular basis.
Therefore, a non-story IMO.

However, I'm not sure why Egypt is not letting people in for a short time until Hamas has been eradicated and hostages released. The Israeil PM can be kicked along with settlers from the West Bank

If mass displacement is needed to eradicate Hamas, why Egypt?
Why isn’t Israel letting civilians out of Gaza for a short time until Hamas is eradicated? Israel is the occupying power, it is their responsibility to handle this, not fob it off on a neighbouring country.

We didn’t ask France to take on all the Irish…so we could eliminate the IRA…

Your solution of mass displacement is both preposterous and illegal.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 17/05/2024 17:52

I refer you all to my previous posts.
It is a fact that Egypt that is RIGHT NEXT DOOR to Gaza refuses to let people in for fear of the the murderous Hamas and gang coming in and causing problems there.

The people of both Gaza and Israel will suffer until the likes of Hamas and their proxies are taken out or taught a lesson

Just release the hostages and hand over Hamas and their leaders the fighting would stop today

The Rafah crossing - we all know why its closed

onegrumpyoldwoman · 17/05/2024 20:30

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onegrumpyoldwoman · 17/05/2024 20:51

SummerFeverVenice · 17/05/2024 15:20

Yy, only proof is the historical fact that the 1.5m refugee Palestinians in all the refugee camps in Gaza have been there since 1948’s Nakba. The Palestinians who had been herded there by the Israeli state in 1948 had been promised they’d be allowed back to their homes in days, weeks at most, but instead their homes and lands were given away to Jewish settlers or their villages were bulldozed and things like parks, or beach resorts or universities were built on top.

That is incorrect.

In accordance with the United Nations Partition Plan (1947), both the Arabs and the Jews were offered some land, and the possibility of having their own state. The Arab League was opposed to any partition whatsoever, wanting to keep all the land for themselves, and especially opposed to the establishment of Israel. Israel accepted the UN offer, and the Arabs (who have since 1964 re-branded and re-marketed themselves as Palestinian) declined, deciding instead to persuade their co-religionists (Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Transjordan, Syria and Yemen) to join them in attacking Israel, whose sovereignty they refused to acknowledge.

From the very first day they tried to eradicate Israel.

Israel became an independent state on 14 May 1948 and the very next day, on 15 May 1948, Israel was attacked, by 8 different armies.
Had they won there would not be the current situation of stateless Palestinians. It is more likely that Jordan would have annexed most of the region, rather than setting up another Arab country.
But they lost, losing in battle, even the territory offered to them by the UN, which they had previously declined.
Tragically, the Palestinians themselves are the authors of their own loss, their self-assured hubris, leading to nemesis, which ultimately resulted in self-inflicted retributive justice. This loss is known in Arabic as al-Nakba (The Catastrophe), although more accurately it should be called The Debacle.

As a result of this war, Israel kept the original territory offered to them by the UN Partition plan, plus gained 60% of the territory allotted to the Arabs, (let me repeat: which they had rejected),
Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip and Jordan annexed (illegally) the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
To clarify, in 1947 most of the land set aside by the UN Partition Plan for an Arab State in the West Bank and East Jerusalem became occupied territory, but occupied by Jordan, not by Israel.
^^
That seems simple enough.

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