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Conflict in the Middle East

Why wasn’t the Israel-Palestinian issue dealt with before?

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WinterWarmth · 08/11/2023 00:50

The conflict has been going on for 75 years. It has taken large scale atrocities on civilians with a level of barbarity rarely seen before for Israel to declare war on Gaza but there are reports going back years of Israel breaking the human rights laws of Palestinians, illegally occupying territory, killing and imprisoning civilians indiscriminately and preventing basic human needs like food and water getting to Gaza and the West Bank.

Billions of aid has been given to the Palestinians over decades, there is a heavy presence from the UN and global human rights agencies so these abuses have been well documented.

The horrific attack on Israel was apparently the Palestinians fighting for freedom after years of suppression and atrocities against them. A large proportion of the world seems to believe it was warranted but Israel declaring war in retaliation isn’t.

In which case. it begs the question why has Israel, a UN member, not been dealt with before these current events? Sanctions put in place, UN peacekeeping forces sent in, barred from the political world stage etc?

Surely it would have been more cost effective in terms of money AND lives if the world had intervened before current events?

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Lululite · 09/11/2023 17:28

I apologise for giving offence.

Prime Minister Netanyahu has been elected to lead Israel for several years now, He is not a 'wannabe'. His policies have been supported in elections several times. That act of support must be more valued than speeches or even your opinion against him. They know what they want when they vote for him and he delivers as promised.
The Religious Parties support him. Am I right or wrong that they are always willing to be part of the coalitions on his side. Do they not take a longer view?
The 'Settlers' have confiscated farms and homes of Palestinians and rarely convicted of criminal acts.

It cannot be unreasonable to suggest this is all part of the consolidation of power and ownership of new land for Israel.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 09/11/2023 19:12

Lululite · 09/11/2023 17:28

I apologise for giving offence.

Prime Minister Netanyahu has been elected to lead Israel for several years now, He is not a 'wannabe'. His policies have been supported in elections several times. That act of support must be more valued than speeches or even your opinion against him. They know what they want when they vote for him and he delivers as promised.
The Religious Parties support him. Am I right or wrong that they are always willing to be part of the coalitions on his side. Do they not take a longer view?
The 'Settlers' have confiscated farms and homes of Palestinians and rarely convicted of criminal acts.

It cannot be unreasonable to suggest this is all part of the consolidation of power and ownership of new land for Israel.

But he is not supported by ‘all Jews’, not even in Israel and certainly not in the rest of the world.

I have no idea why you are still trying to defend your utterly indefensible position.

Do you genuinely not see how antisemitic you are being or do you just want to own it and admit that you’re antisemite and you’re cool with that?

Lululite · 09/11/2023 20:52

This is my last post on this matter, partly because like most on this thread I am not a scholar. Can women be scholars in Judaism? Julia Neuberger had a heap of criticism on her. Mainly from men.
I cannot be antisemitic for pointing out the name of the Prime Minister of Israel and the support that he gets in elections. That argument would lack logic.

Do you also admit ona practical level that no one would win a vote to withdraw from the Settlements and give the land back?

I wish I knew more, As an active Christian I do acknowledge the common beliefs of the Abrahamic Faiths. The teaching and examples of Abraham and Moses (Moussa) and many others as a foundation to the later prophet John (Yahya) before we diverge and we chose the coming of Jesus (Issa), his crucifixion and resurrection.

starborne · 09/11/2023 21:45

Lululite · 09/11/2023 20:52

This is my last post on this matter, partly because like most on this thread I am not a scholar. Can women be scholars in Judaism? Julia Neuberger had a heap of criticism on her. Mainly from men.
I cannot be antisemitic for pointing out the name of the Prime Minister of Israel and the support that he gets in elections. That argument would lack logic.

Do you also admit ona practical level that no one would win a vote to withdraw from the Settlements and give the land back?

I wish I knew more, As an active Christian I do acknowledge the common beliefs of the Abrahamic Faiths. The teaching and examples of Abraham and Moses (Moussa) and many others as a foundation to the later prophet John (Yahya) before we diverge and we chose the coming of Jesus (Issa), his crucifixion and resurrection.

You can, however, be anti-Semitic for making a crass generalisation about what "all Jews" think.

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