Does every bomb targets a Hamas person ?

[notsoready4school]

I keep hearing Israel supporters justifying civilian deaths saying that Hamas uses them as human shields. But there have been a lot of bombs, all supposedly targeting Hamas militants (presumably based on intelligence?) yet no announcement of how many militants they got so far. Only the odd got so- and - so. I don’t get it. Why are all these civilians dying for seemingly guesses of targets.

Then you hear they are actually aiming to flatten the place to enable easier ground combat. Do people think that’s also a justification for killing civilians? To make it safer for armies to conduct combat on the ground ?

lastly we hear it is for the tunnels but I think most have already debunked that as a successful strategy. The way bombs work the deep tunnels won’t really be hugely affected.

I’m keen for this not to become a controversial thread but I’m genuinely confused why with all this intelligence we don’t know at least how many Hamas people they have got so far.

Well, firstly, I doubt that confirming deaths and verifying identities after a bombing in hostile territory is straightforward. Secondly, what on earth would possess the Israelis to broadcast the details and results of their military operations to the whole world, including Hamas? It's perfectly normal to control the flow of information during wartime. They aren't going to place their military operations and personnel at risk just to satisfy the media and the curiosity of random people on the internet.

I read a stat somewhere that Israel claims to have killed 13 Hamas commanders v the 10,000+ civilian non combatant population (estimates are higher based on fact that people are digging by hand in the rubble of multi storey buildings). Is it justifiable? Absolutely not.

It is most definitely a war strategy to declare your wins to your people, allies and also your opponents of your success in eradicating your enemies numbers and their leaders. It helps maintain morale for your troops, makes the leadership look good and demotivates your enemies. It also helps strengthen the narrative for the bombardment.

That’s only if it is actually working and not just killing randoms which it does seem to be doing.

I think Israel has lost about 13 soldiers in their ground offensive to date. That’s a terrible success rate, I guess that is probably the reason they don’t want to declare it.

Can you imagine that? They dropped as many bombs on Gaza in a week as almost all the bombs dropped in Afghanistan by the US in a year!

Israel says it dropped 6,000 bombs on Gaza in one week. That's almost as many as what the US dropped in Afghanistan in one year.
https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-dropped-as-many-bombs-in-gaza-us-afghanistan-2019-2023-11

Every single Palestinian child maimed or murdered has a Hamas fighter hiding right behind them. Well, that’s what some pro-Israel people have been brainwashed to believe anyway.

This is an alarming statistic. I can’t believe this is something the western governments can get behind and fund.

When Biden says it matters how you do this, what is he really worried about? Why does it matter to him?

Well they are!

I did wonder on Biden’s stance but a video has surfaced of him saying if he was Jewish he’d be a zionist and then his dad saying there was no issue to say if because he was. Either way it makes his standing clear.

Good lord if that is true then every man and his dog can easily conclude that this is a calculated genocide. Israel need Hamas in order to justify the whole "human shields" hasbara so it's not in their interest to kill them off. This morning Netanyahu said Israel will be overtaking Gaza for security purposes going forward... I have a feeling that in the near future we might see settlers moving in, flooding Gaza one by one and it will turn into the Dubai that it could have been 🙄. Meanwhile the Palestinians who haven't been killed in the genocide will be forced into Sinai (of course the rhetoric will be that they "left") with even less human rights than they have now.

The predictions are stated by many Israelis

• they want the Palestinians to be in the sinai desert
• they want gaza reintegrated into israel whether a resort or given to settlers
• there is no room for Palestinians in Israel

Yes they are, but there has been a change in language, albeit subtle at times. UK news correspondents have been making a point to highlight the disparity of warfare. The other day someone was reporting from the West Bank where IDF were firing at children, from armed tanks. The correspondent repeatedly pointed out that these children, who were being shot, had stones no larger than marbles, ie pebbles. The news reader then asked if they were implying that it was a disproportionate response, and he said "yes, very much so".

Sadly the UK government isn’t being vocal enough. A humanitarian pause isn’t enough. There needs to be a total ceasefire.

I appreciate Suella is biased but she needs to declare this and maybe opt out of discussing the demonstrations and labelling them
hate marches etc.

They're bombing almost indiscriminately, it's clear.

The ultimate aims are to drive people out the area and to crush all possible resistance.

What I've been wondering if an innocent child has just had their whole family killed by a bomb, there whole city bombed so they have nothing, how r they going to not being against who is bombing them. There is going to be trauma. They could be against what hamas belives, but they equally could be angry and understandably just in being anti Israel (goverment as that's who is carrying out this) how is it realistic to expect the Palestinians to be happy Israel is taking out hamas. And killing in process.