How is Israel able to confirm that specific Hamas commanders have been killed ?

[rileynexttime]

and how can Hamas confirm that hostages they are holding have been killed?
Hamas I suppose have contact with eachother and can report deaths in tunnels.
But how can Israel know exactly who they've killed ?

They don't but they know they won't be questioned.

This. It’s been their tactic the last few days. Same as how they released an IDF hostage the other day and won’t talk about it but there was not even proof she was a hostage before.

thwy just say and they think the world will believe them

You won't care.

Nobody can verify it, so they can literally just say anything they like.

"Those incubators contained extremely small Hamas operatives, so we absolutely had to take them out"

Today they bombed a hospital and and attacked an ambulance, apparently the driver of the ambulance was from hamas. Where is their proof, the blast killed and injured civilians.

@Salumanndi how dare you accuse me of being anti semetic. You are clearly a fool that has been brainwashed by the bias media. Goodnight.

Did I miss the post on how Hamas confirms the number of deaths?

I think most pps have basically said they wouldn’t believe Israel anyway so I really don’t think there’s any point. No matter what evidence was provided, there would still be shouts of “fake news”.

They use surveillance drones and they seem to bug mobile devices. They do seem to have targeted journalists quite accurately.

I'm sure a lot of these people are tracked via phones, satellites, etc. Have you seen a film of how they tracked Bin Laden before killing him? Something like that, I would imagine. They would know the person is in the building at the time of the strike, the building is flattened, so it would be safe to say the person is dead.

I don't understand how if they have the technology to track Hamas down to an ambulance for instance, they don't have the technology to find and retrieve the hostages? They weren't even sure how many hostages there were. So you can find a bloke in the back of an ambulance but can't figure out how many people are missing from your country or where they are? It's all very bizarre.

Also they’ve targeted UN buildings , is UN now hosting hamas people ? What about the house of the journalists .. are they now Hamas ?

Going by that logic, if they can find and target hamas fighters within an ambulance, how did they not realise so many hamas terrorists were crossing into Israel to murder so many people?

They can do all this yet they didn't know Hamas were getting through a perimeter fence to attack people last month?

I'd imagine the Gaza Ministry of Health count the dead bodies and write it down. They haven't counted the people who are missing/presumed dead.

They can't but when you've killed over 9000 people you've got to make it sound worthwhile.

Re the numbers…I think that may be down to the fact that they still won’t know who has been kidnapped and who can’t be identified from remains. Some families will never know where, when or how their relatives died.

Maybe. I don't know though, they could pull out a phone call recording from Hamas within a few hours of the hospital being blown up. They know where hamas are down to the fact one is travelling in an ambulance, in a journalists house, in every building surrounding a hospital, in a car travelling south, within hours of bombing refugee camps they can say who they killed, but they don't know where or how many people have been taken hostage? But they know that the hostages aren't in all of the buildings that they are blowing up? I mean maybe you are right and they just have huge holes in their intelligence but to a lay person it does all sound very strange.

This is from a few years ago but I’ve seen nothing to suggest that in the interim Hamas have changed their tactics:

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

@rileynexttime if you watch the two part episode on Israel's intelligence agency on Netflix's programme, PsyOps, you'll get a good idea of what kind of equipment allows Israel to be pretty confident they've taken a terrorist target out of the picture.

Israel Defence Force said they took out Ayman Nofal aka Abu Ahmad, a member of the general military council of Izz el-Deen Al-Qassam Brigades in charge of the Central Gaza area. A Hamas commander.

Hamas confirmed it days ago. They've yet to comment on other ones. You have to understand that any time a terrorist group has to confirm or acknowledge any of their top operatives have been taken out severely dents their morale.

And their pressing concern then becomes how to fill the vacancy with someone else. They're not guaranteed to get someone with an equal or better set of skills compared to the decadent.

Hamas are always under surveillance, but hostages were new unknowns to them. The two things are not the same thing.

There's a thread in the politics section with a good amount of info on the intelligence side of things.

Most people don't really know or understand how intelligence agencies work and that's largely by design.

And it took the US years to really pin Bin Laden down not in a cave, but in a housing compound.

But, yes, you're right that a lot of equipment is required to locate a person. And it's not easy when the target knows how to conceal their tracks.

They have intelligence sources on the inside that are helping them obviously. Not that you can rely on the accuracy of what IDF say. Equally anyone who believes numbers coming from the Gaza Ministry of Health is very gullible.

They've made a post saying that the answer is "always Hamas". They know that they can target whatever they like then say "but Hamaaaaas!" and our useless leaders will feebly stand by and let them do it.