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Conflict in the Middle East

Gaza has gone dark ... and I am very afraid!

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HeidiInTheBigCity · 27/10/2023 19:14

Tonight, as Gaza has gone dark, tonight, as Gazan civilians have lost that lifeline that used to be "publishing their cries for help to the Internet, as they were literally dying", tonight, as even that option has ceased to exist!

I STAND WITH CIVILIANS!

Not with Hamas!
NOT with the ultra-far-right Israeli government - out for revenge!

Tonight, I STAND WITH CIVILIANS, as innocent men, women and children are dying, collectively punished, for the crime of having been born in the wrong place, at the wrong time!

Tonight, I STAND WITH CIVILIANS, as the families of Israeli hostages watch helplessly, as their missing loved ones are bombed into oblivion, and their own PM has not even bothered to meet with them! Because, once again, revenge has won! Violence has won! Barbarism has won! Death has won!

Tonight, I stand with my friend, a Palestinian-born [what he does for a living] currently getting drunk at a bar in [not where you'd expect] - because he cannot stand watching anymore! We cried together on the phone - it felt nice to know there was someone else out there - but it also felt supremely disempowered and helpless! Tonight, I stand with men, women, boys, girls ... just people, people who want to live!

Tonight, as I recall how utterly terrified I used to be when I, myself, became an accidental witness to the assault on [Palestinian city], some 20 years ago now! I also recall the good times: I recall standing on the rooftop of the [name] family's home, watching flares in the sky, deliberately pretending they were just very bright stars, kissing, and dancing with my fiancé. Snuggling up to him under the wide open sky, as we ignored the sound of shooting in the background, as we just wanted to ... live a little! ... under circumstances that didn't leave much room for living. For life! Knowing we would learn about names of people we knew and the fact that they had been killed while we had been trying to ... just live a little ... as the following day would break!

Tonight, I stand with civilians, realising that this particular, comparatively "fluffy" version of war - a version, make no mistake, that has left me deeply traumatised for life, bittersweet memories aside! - this is just NOT AN OPTION for Gazans tonight!

Tonight, I CRY FOR CIVILIANS! Especially, but not only, for civilians in Gaza!

We have GOT TO DO better!

Note: yes, I have censored a number of data points - because that is how afraid I am! I am not willing to potentially expose people I consider friends, family even, unnecessarily as I, frankly helplessly, post to the so-called Internet, pleading for their lives or, at the very least: sympathy!

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Heelenahandbasket · 27/10/2023 23:54

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 27/10/2023 23:23

Yes exactly. I literally used this exact analogy this evening to try to explain my (limited) knowledge to my son.

Israeli government is targeting hamas infrastructure and facilities. They choose to hide them among civilians.

Please don’t give your son misinformation. The ira were never the elected government of Northern Ireland. We were never at war with either Northern Ireland or Ireland. It’s nothing at all like Hamas who were elected as the government in Gaza and who removed Fatah and ran it like a terrorist enclave using Gaza to attack Israel.

mollyfolk · 27/10/2023 23:56

Heelenahandbasket · 27/10/2023 23:49

Israel must defend itself against hamas. They will kill every last Israeli if they do not. That’s what they promised and that’s how they act - they have demonstrated conclusively they are not kidding.

The size of Gaza is irrelevant. It doesn’t mean that advising civilians in an enemy territory to move out of the way of fighting is a war crime. It isn’t. Israel doesn’t bear responsibility for the welfare of people in a territory they are at war with.

and israel doesn’t not have any hostages as you well know. Lying doesn’t help

No really - advising people to move when they actually can’t move anywhere really and then bombing the entire place are all war crimes. You are right - The size of Gaza is irrelevant- the fact that nobody can leave is not. Israel does bare responsibility to protect civilian life just like every other country in the world.

Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 23:56

There is an Instagram account called eye.on.palestine that has been live showing the bombing on Gaza
It is terrible
Non stop every minute
It's still live right now

Heelenahandbasket · 27/10/2023 23:57

Parkingt111 · 27/10/2023 23:24

That's actually not made up
It was widely reported on major news channels that Israel dropped leaflets saying that those who remain would be considered as terrorists

provide some evidence then if it was so widely reported. Reliable evidence with a decent translation from the Arabic. I haven’t seen that in any mainstream media yet they are generally desperately anti Israel

Itsaharddlife · 27/10/2023 23:57

Heelenahandbasket · 27/10/2023 23:49

Israel must defend itself against hamas. They will kill every last Israeli if they do not. That’s what they promised and that’s how they act - they have demonstrated conclusively they are not kidding.

The size of Gaza is irrelevant. It doesn’t mean that advising civilians in an enemy territory to move out of the way of fighting is a war crime. It isn’t. Israel doesn’t bear responsibility for the welfare of people in a territory they are at war with.

and israel doesn’t not have any hostages as you well know. Lying doesn’t help

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/21/number-of-palestinian-prisoners-in-israel-doubles-to-10000-in-two-weeks

Hamas took hostages on October 7th claiming they wanted all Palestinians held in israels prisons to be released. To clarify these several thousand prisoners included children arrested and out in administrative detention.

Israel doubles number of Palestinian prisoners to 10,000 in two weeks

Since October 7, Israel has arrested more than 5,000 people, mostly from Gaza, Palestinian officials say.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/21/number-of-palestinian-prisoners-in-israel-doubles-to-10000-in-two-weeks

SeeReality · 27/10/2023 23:58

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duchiebun · 27/10/2023 23:58

@Reallifelurker you don’t see any difference between a war in one nation of a country which had the same government & a war between 2 different countries with different governments? For one governments don’t tend to bomb their own citizens, infrastructure etc.

MatthewsMumFromTikTok · 28/10/2023 00:00

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Parkingt111 · 28/10/2023 00:01

Heelenahandbasket · 27/10/2023 23:57

provide some evidence then if it was so widely reported. Reliable evidence with a decent translation from the Arabic. I haven’t seen that in any mainstream media yet they are generally desperately anti Israel

Sure
This is just one report from the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/22/israel-deepening-attacks-on-gaza-to-prepare-for-next-stages-of-the-war-says-military

Israel intensifies attacks on north Gaza as WFP says more aid urgently needed

Israel says anyone in northern Gaza will be considered ‘an accomplice in a terrorist organisation’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/22/israel-deepening-attacks-on-gaza-to-prepare-for-next-stages-of-the-war-says-military

SaintMarie · 28/10/2023 00:03

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Itsaharddlife · 28/10/2023 00:05

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What reports? Can you explain please

Heelenahandbasket · 28/10/2023 00:06

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There are no war crimes and no evidence of any so save the character assassination. it’s simply not true that Israel is deliberately bombing food supplies, etc nor is there any reliable evidence of anything like that. Equally things like advising people to move out of the path of an attack isn’t a war crime (as claimed earlier). Quite the opposite. A war crime isn’t something you don’t like or think is unfair. It has a specific meaning.

Attacking the person instead of being able to make a point doesn’t help your argument. It weakens it and makes you look silly.

The facts remain that israel is defending itself against a brutal attack. It is doing so legitimately and there is no reason to think it is not.

SaintMarie · 28/10/2023 00:06

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Parkingt111 · 28/10/2023 00:07

Everyone really needs to be respectful towards each other on here
We can have different views but be civilised otherwise the whole thread is just getting derailed
I'm going to leave this thread for now

Heelenahandbasket · 28/10/2023 00:07

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When were they ever not?

SaintMarie · 28/10/2023 00:07

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AngryBirdsNoMore · 28/10/2023 00:07

Please. These are real people involved, losing everything. Both Israelis and Palestinians.

This thread could have been one space for compassion, not clever quips and whataboutery.

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Itsaharddlife · 28/10/2023 00:08

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Best to just ignore the posts and not bother responding
Must be a troll

Heelenahandbasket · 28/10/2023 00:11

Sorry- the evidence you were supposed to provide was evidence that israel told the Gazan civilians in the north they must leave or they “would be assumed to be terrorists”. That’s what you claimed was reported “all over” in the mainstream media.

The article you posted does not contain that claim at all never mind a source. Are you admitting now it isn’t true?

JustAMinutePleass · 28/10/2023 00:11

The Israeli government has literally created hell on earth and sowed the seeds for Hamas and all other terror groups in the region for generations to come. This is what evil looks like.

Lonelycrab · 28/10/2023 00:13

Try and ignore the obvious troll

its just a distraction technique

Heelenahandbasket · 28/10/2023 00:13

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There are no war crimes. And no evidence of any. Big you disagree you need to post reliable evidence and explanations of why it constitutes war crimes. Attacking me for disagreeing with you doesn’t help your cause.