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getting OH to have sperm test

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tetleytea · 13/05/2009 14:14

My gynae has said several times that i should get OH to have his sperm tested because since we've been trying for some time it might not be ME with the problem... The thing is, while i AM worried that time is running out (i'm 42 v soon)i also just can't face having to get dp "involved" - i know he'll hate having to do it. As long as its me doing tests and being "poked and prodded" i don't mind, but i suppose it feels like if he has to go and get tested it's like admitting there's A Problem and it's never going to be the same again.Up until now we've just been b'ding away at the right times and then it's been me obsessing thinking about it over the 2ww.

Am i just being daft?

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londonlottie · 13/05/2009 14:26

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/05/2009 14:33

Hi tetleytea,

I would agree with your gynae here - he should be tested as well asap to confirm or rule out any male factor problems. You both want a child - he needs to be tested as well!!!. Subfertility is not the sole preserve of the woman after all. It can affect men as well as women equally; sometimes both parties have fertility issues. It is no point in you having some tests done to only discover later that he has a fertility issue; your tests should be done in tandem.

It is no reflection on his masculinity or virility at all to have such an analysis done.

It is also vital that the three of you can communicate openly and work as a team. Your man should also be speaking to the gynae as well; if he has not seen the gynae till now I would be asking why.

Also making love "at the right time" is also problematic as it can raise the spectre of timed intercourse. Would instead make love when you both feel like it and forget about the "right time". It is all too easy to get any ovulation date wrong; it is not an exact science and a woman can ovulate earlier, later or not at all in any given cycle.

tetleytea · 13/05/2009 14:39

Thanks for that londonlottie and attila.

I think the main problem for me is that oh isn't mad keen on having a 2nd child, as i am. He found the whole sleepless night thing really hard (dd has only recently started sleeping)and isn't keen to start it up all over again. He knows i'm keen and is quite happy to go along with it....but as for plastic pots....

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Nancy66 · 13/05/2009 14:44

tetley - i completely understand your situation and i expect the fact that you've already conceived means your husband has convinced himself there's nothing wrong with his swimmers.

I'm your age and had the exact same issues with my DP - he had got an ex partner pregnant and refused to go for tests even though i explained that a man's fertility can change just has a woman's can.

ClaireDeLoon · 13/05/2009 14:50

I'm having the same problem tetleytea - DP just says he 'can't'. I am trying to be calm and reasonable and not push but have now got to the point it is getting ridiculous - GP won't refer us on to a specialist without DP's sperm analysis, I'm 37 in a week or so, we're on our 22nd cycle of trying and we live in an area that gives 3 cycles of IVF with no limit on age. I'm very frustrated with how things are going.

I hope you can get him to go do his test.

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tetleytea · 13/05/2009 15:02

oh i didn't know that londonlottie! that could make a big difference. the prob for him is the clinical "doing the deed in a pot" in some sad hospital room rather than any masculinity issues i think. will investigate

cdloon - that's a really tough one, i sympathise. have you tried "reminding" him of the fact that you'll be the one carrying your baby around for 9 months, going through labour(!!!), breastfeeding etc? i know my oh has a lasting memory of watching me give birth and i'm sure it helps in the ol' give-and-take stakes.

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EvenBetaDad · 13/05/2009 16:03

tetleytea (and others) if your man is worred about this issue then I do urge you to show him this post.

I have been through the whole IVF thing with DW and before the NHS would contemplate any sort of IVF or fertility treatment or tests on DW they insisted on a sperm tests for me plus many more samples after that.

Blokes are very worried about this issue for all sorts of reasons. Often fear of the unknown, embarrasment and worrying about what happens if they 'fail' the test.

So here goes an older man's guide to what it is was really like for me. Some of it was funny some of it frightening and some of it upsetting. What I am going to say is not rude or crude at all so I hope I do not offend but it is a bit long as men are often worried about the little details. I hope it will be reassuring.

First step was I had to produce a sample at home on my own. Getting it in the jar was a nightmare. The pot is only 2.0 cm cm wide so it takes a good aim and a lot of control but not impossile. I had to then get from London SW1 to Harley St. I was given strict instructions to keep the sample warm by keeping the sample pot in my left hand and in my pocket. I then had to negotiate the entire London Underground system with only my right hand and the left one stuffed in my pocket and terrified I was going to pull the POT out of my pocket and accidentally hand it to a ticket inspector instead of my ticket.

I arrived at Harley St, got to the clinic, walked through the door to be met by a very pretty young woman who said, "can I help you". To which I replied "yes, I have got something warm in my pocket for you". She said, "well lets have it then". I gave the pot to her and she didn't even flinch. I, however, hoped the ground would open up and swallow me but she insisted on questioning me at length in a public area, name address, time since sample taken, etc. She was actually really nice and polite and I was just being a complete jelly. The basic tests came out just fine.

My wife then went through many much more invassive tests and we eventually ended up in the IVF clinic. Where of course I had to produce many sperm samples.

The first time I produced a sample at the IVF clinic, I was on my own and they showed me into a nice room with chairs, a TV, video recorder,a large selection of pornographic videos and magazines and a big box of tissues. The nurse kindly pointed out all these to me and then gave me a little pot. The worst part was that the room had a little double doored serving hatch in the wall which I was instructed to put the sample pot through once I had produced a sample. I was really worried the nurse on the other side was going to open he doors before I had finished and ask me how it was going. Of course, she didn't and I was fine. There is a queue outside so people know exactly how long you take to 'produce'. I admit to being worried about being 'too quick' or 'too slow'.

I did ask the nurse afterwards what happens if men are so worried they cannot produce a sample. She said it happens a lot and they put films on, tell people to just walk round the block, give them vibrators and have various surgical methods of collection if all else fails. There really is no pressure and actually the staff are incredibly indifferent to it all. Its just us men who are terrified and mortally embarrased.

The IVF clinic tested my sample and gave me a sort of marks out of 10 for motility, quality and volume. Lets just say, they were so pleased they asked me to be a donor but I admit I was petrified of failing the test and they do ask DW to be there to provide support. There are lots of things they can do now to improve sample quality now so there is no such thing as 'failing the test' in reality.

After that, the actual samples that were used fertilise DW's eggs for freeezing were collected at the clinic. These were really important samples and I wanted DW to be there so we could 'produce' the sample together. The staff thought that a bit odd but it was important to me. Another time I did produce the fertilisation sample on my own as DW had to have a procedure before injection of the sperm directly into her womb. I forget exactly why that was.

To be honest, the worst part, was that the IVF clinic treated me like a stud bull and often just basically talked to my DW even if I was sitting right next to her. It was like I had to produce sperm to order, without any emotional involvement in creating my own child, which I found upsetting. Of course I was very worried for my DW as well so there was a lot of emotional pressure on me. I eventually complained about the clinic's attitude and they did admit they were reviewing how they treated men as they felt they were too 'woman oriented'. Maybe it is a lot better now.

After all that, DW gave birth to two lovely children - both completely naturally.

I hope that helps and I that I didn't offend anyone.

Caitni · 13/05/2009 16:39

EvenBetaDad I just want to say thanks for posting this - we're about to embark on IVF and my DH has given his fair share of samples (he's also got low sperm count so has also dealt with that too ). Your post has really given an insight into the man's perspective and I appreciate that

ClaireDeLoon · 13/05/2009 17:00

Thank you EvenBetaDad I will get DP to read your post.

Sunnydale · 14/05/2009 20:59

Sorry to jump onto this thread but my DH just went for his first sample last week and was quite freaked by it. Thank you, evenbetadad, for sharing your experience: great to know what may lie ahead, and great to hear a bloke sharing what can be a difficult subject to share.

wildfig · 14/05/2009 21:35

evenbetadad what a great post. That's really given me the nudge I needed to talk to DH about going for tests - and a bit of understanding for when he has to do them!

Monkeyandbooba · 14/05/2009 21:43

When we were investigated for fertility issues DH had to produce a sample, in our area they let you do it at home with the proviso that the sample is not allowed to be contaminated by any other fluids i.e. vaginal or salival. You then have to get it to the path lab within an hour (ideally) of production using the method outlined by EBD or shoving it in your cleavage

I appreciate it is awkward but at the end of the day my DH appreciated that I had to endure far worse than him so got on with it happily.

EvenBetaDad · 14/05/2009 21:45

Sunnydale (and others) - do talk to DH about his experience last week. He may not have had a very nice time so make sure he is really OK. I saw a few men in tears being comforted by nurses and I did think their wives should have been there. It did get easier the more I went though.

If your DH is freaked by the whole thing you can go with him to the clinic and be there with him in the sample room to bolster his confidence and also help him produce the sample as DW was sometimes with me. It is a joint process after all, although I actually had no problem going alone. The clinic staff will not mind if you ask because they would far rather a man feels comfortable and produces a successful sample.

Your DH can also do some of the early samples at home as others have said as long as he can get to the clinic within an hour with it.

EvenBetaDad · 14/05/2009 21:49

wildfig/Monkeyandbooba - x posted.

It is a very valid point that women have to endure far more and it was that thought that helped me rationalise and get over my concerns.

tetleytea · 15/05/2009 11:49

Wow! haven't been MN for 2 days so missed all this activity!

Thanks SO much for your great long reply evenbetadad. Really appreciate it. Will sit down and read it properly tonight as have precisely 10 secs free for MN! And thanks to everyone else

tt x

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