Soy Isoflavones - advice pls

[JS5]

Could anyone with experience using soy isoflavones help please.

Want to give this a go as my cycles vary 35 to 40days. Currently waiting for AF to arrive anytime today or tomorrow.

Natures Best have some but dose seem a little confusing, they've "chosen to isolate isoflavones from soya", so isoflavones only 50mg. But then under the Formula it says 50,000 soya bean extract.
https://www.naturesbest.co.uk/herbs-spices/soya-isoflavones-50mg/

Please can someone advice if this would be the right one to buy. Equally any other places to buy from that are trustworthy

Thank you

@itsLKtoday thanks I've ordered benydil cough syrup containing guaifenesin, thinking to take a tablespoon per day?

Yes hoping it works for us🤞. I realised today that I took 5 caps instead of 4 on the 5th , so 320m. Really hoping thats not messed anything up!

@JS5 oh I was getting a bit muddled with the cough syrups so I bought guaifenesin capsules 400mg and take 2 a day (morning and night) after realising I probably couldn't get enough from the actual syrup.
But who knows eh? It didn't work last month so I dunno 🤷

I'm practically rattling with the amount of pills I'm taking at the moment 😅
www.drugs.com/medical-answers/mucinex-you-pregnant-3572752/

@itsLKtoday thanks for this💕 I'll keep this in mind if cough syrup doesnt work in a few days. How many days before ovulation do you start taking guaifenesin? That site is suggest 5-7days before but not sure how this would work not knowing the ovulation day

I know right? I could do with a pill organiser box 🥴

@JS5 I started taking them on day 9 this month, 5 days before day 14 when I'd ideally ovulate 🤷
Total guess work!

I've had a good get an app called Take Your Pills 😅

Hi everyone sorry I’ve just had a chance to read through this thread again. No news here, I’m 6dpo today on 2nd soy cycle. Didn’t have any issues with dryness but my husband was away for my fertile window - just managed to DTD on the Sunday before he left and then ovulated on the Wednesday and couldn’t DTD until he was back on Saturday. But just waiting for AF to arrive now and see if there were any changes to my cycle this month like last month. How’s everyone else getting on?

@TTCbaby1soph fingers crossed for you, I've I've definetely read some stories here where people dtd 3/4days before ovulation and fell pregnant 🤞

@itsLKtoday hmmm I'll probably continue taking it until ovulation. Just not fancying the extra sugsr/syrup content as trying to lose some weight lol

Hiya
I appear to have a peak reading today (day 15) but looking back I had the same last month when I didn't take the soy Isoflavones 🤷 so goodness knows if they're working! Hopefully they might at least do something for egg quality!?

@itsLKtoday ah sorry to hear it's not brought O forward...but on the good side atleast it's not delayed, that's my biggest concern. I usually on CD22, currently CD14 ...let's see!

Wishing you all the best this cycle😊 🌠

Hi Ladies, I’m not banking on the month as I said above I didn’t get that much chance to dtd during fertile window. I’m about ten days past O today so if anything I’m just hoping it lengthens my Luteal phase like last month. I’m close to just giving it all up completely now and just leaving it up to God.
strangely though at 7dpo after sex I was so convinced I was coming on my period as had same cramps and a streak of pink in CM on wiping during the day, not sure what that could be. I usually get a little bit of CM I’ve noticed the day before AF. Anywho I would love to hear some good news on this thread soon!

hi everyone, just got back from a week away.
the soy isoflavones brought my ovulation forward to day 14 this month (usually day 17!) so that's a good sign - still waiting to see if it will lengthen my luteal phase too.
I can't be 100% sure as i only went by ovulation pain, as i forgot to take OPKs on my holiday (woops!) but i think it was day 14 or day 15. i'll let you know what happens to the luteal phase!
I'm pretty sure I'm out this month as i've started PMS already, similar to the usual sore boobs etc, but it's good to see the ovulation change!

Hows everyone getting on?

@chutney1 glad it brought your ovulstion forward. I'm CD18 and still no sign. I usually ovulate CD22, really hoping it's not had the opposite effect and delayed it even further!

@JS5 hopefully it starts soon! do you usually get any ovulation signs?
I wish i had taken OPKs!
I'm 8dpo now and have really sore massive boobs! this is typical for me during pms though. I always thought this was a sign of low progesterone, but I've been using a progesterone cream this cycle and took the soys so maybe not?! it's hard to tell sometimes, when i look things up it says that everything can cause pretty much every symptom so it's a bit of a guessing game!

Did you get any side effects from the soys?

@chutney1 No side effects from taking SI, I even ended up taking quite abit on the last day (320mg). Maybe I took too much, let's see. I'm using easyathome opk which usually starts rising cd19-21

Yes it seems that the symptoms for bfp and af are same which makes it very tricky to know. When are you planning to test?

I've got friends coming over this Friday for dinner so I'll test before that, as if it's negative I'll have a glass of wine (or two!)
usually my luteal phase is only 10-11 days, so my period would start by Friday anyway, but I'm hoping the soys will have made it longer, and maybe not until Monday - fingers crossed!
Knowing me, I'll probably cave and get tempted to test tomorrow/Thursday!

@chutney1 it seems it lengthened my Luteal phase to 32 days from 25-26 the first month but this cycle using them back to 25 day cycle. I think I’m going to give them a break this month and see what my cycle does by itself. Didn’t have much time to dtd as dp was away

@TTCbaby1soph ah that's interesting - did you ovulate sooner than normal with them on both cycles?

@chutney1 the first cycle of 32 days I Od late on CD20 so had a 12 day Luteal.
The second cycle using soy just gone now I Od CD 15 and had an 11 day Luteal (I just rechecked Flo) 26 days total.
before this depending on Cycle I would generally O around CD 14/15/16

i have a vvvfl on a cheapy today at 9dpo 😬
not sure if it's a real one or sticky one so i'll keep you updated for those trying the soys!

@TTCbaby1soph It's so bizarre how taking SI, can ovulate late one month but then early the next. I wonder what other factors play a part in SI effectiveness!

@chutney1 ooo so exciting!! Fingers crossed for you let's have a good news here 🤞

Hi all.

I'm 4dpo and playing the game "I'm not even all that bothered, I'm happy with my lot" which will last another few days before I start frantically symptom checking and googling implantation bleeding 🤪

I didn't used to suffer pms symptoms at all but in the last year have had terrible nausea and sore boobs and spotting for up to 4 days before AF.
I had very few symptoms with my first two other than absolutely disgust at milk and chicken on the bone which wasn't helped as I worked with testers for rancid milk (long story 😅) but did have implantation bleed at around 14dpo (I guess, I wasn't testing) with both.

I don't think that soy Isoflavones have an influence on luteal phase or progesterone as we take them in the follicular phase which all about estrogen.
I believe I've solved (more or less) spotting with vitamin c and b + Angus Castus at least helping reduce symptoms which may be due to increasing progesterone.

@itsLKtoday i completely get you with wanting to test as dpo progress. I struggle the most at 10dpo itching to test! Do you have any plans to keep distracted?

CD20 today and would usually get my first +opk/ LH rise, but still low. So likely delayed ovulation. I think I'll try lower dose next month.

One thing I've noticed this cycle taking SI, is that my daily LH levels have been lower around 0.19 and test line is lighter, when it's usually 0.30 and lines are darker.

I ran out of opk so couldn't test yesterday, got some today and tested and LH is high but not sure if its going up or coming down and we've not been able to dtd at all this cycle was waiting for rise 😭. Also rise in temp this morning as usually day after ovulation, and to make things worse forgot to temp yesterday morning so no way of confirming if ovulated already or not😭😭

But my LH was normal the day before yesterday (on 14th). Previous cycles the journey from LH rise to LH peak takes about 24hrs, and then usually ovulate the day after (48hrs after 1st rise). So best case scenario if LH started rising yesterday, today would've been the peak and tomorrow ovulation (even tho temp suggesting otherwise), will have confirmation after tomorrows temp. Its so bizarre, wondering if taking SI shortened my LH rise and fall this cycle

Hows everyone else getting on

hi everyone - my positive line has stayed with me and gotten stronger. I'm testing like a mad woman every morning first thing, watching out in case it gets weak as thats what happened with my miscarriage last year. fingers crossed it sticks!
I've been using progesterone cream since i ovulated, and I'm also taking 100mg B6. As I've had two miscarriages before, I've got an early scan at 6 weeks and will get prescribed progesterone then as long as it's a viable pregnancy. I'm so hopeful, and quite anxious!

@JS5 I really feel for you, i found that using the OPKs mega stressed me out, I had to give them up last year after a few months because it was making me obsessive and taking all the joy out of sex a bit. i had a very short, sharp rise which i could easily miss and then worry about it non stop. I usually try to do it every other day from the end of my period onwards until I get ovulation pain, as that takes the pressure off the ovulation week and makes it a bit less exhausting. do you get ovulation pain or any other signs?

@itsLKtoday i think the theory of the soys is that they increase your estrogen to make you ovulate stronger/sooner and then the more mature egg is supposed to produce more progesterone?! but i could be wrong about that, i think i read it on a forum somewhere not necessarily medical advice!

@chutney1 wow congratulations 🎉🎉 hoping a sticky bean 🤞🤞. What cycle is this? Do you have any plans to keep busy the next few weeks, it will probably help keep the intrusive thoughts out and relax.

So the day I posted above on 16th, was luckily the first day LH rise, then peak on 17th and I ovulated on 18th, according to drop in bbt temp. Last cycle I struggled with temping as I'd wake up a few times in the night panicking I've missed temping time. This cycle I decided not to temp until few days before ovulation. It took a couple of days but did manage to switch off and not think of temping at all. I did get slight pains the day before and on Ov day, not sure I would've caught it without opks, who knows, would be an interesting experiment, but not sure if I want to risk a cycle 😬