Multiple chemical pregnancies

[Mrsrobinsonx]

Has anyone on here had more than one chemical pregnancy and gone on to have a successful pregnancy?
and has anyone had tests to find out what was causing the issue or what it means?

feeling like there’s something really wrong with me even though I’ve had 2 pregnancies before with no issues. 🥺

Can’t offer any advice @Mrsrobinsonx as, having been on another thread with you, you’ll know that this month was my first chemical (that I know of - when I tried for my others I never tested until AF was late so I may have had more and not known). However, just wanted to write a quick message to say that I hope you’re okay xx

Sorry to hear you’re going through this. No advice - just sending solidarity as I’m in the same boat. Currently experiencing my second chemical pregnancy in as many cycles and it’s making me concerned there’s something up with my eggs. Not sure if the GP would advise either given they’re such early losses. Following thread for any advice and sending you baby dust x

@Downtherabbithole83 Thank you! I wasn’t so worried after my 1st but now it’s happened twice in a row I just think there’s more to it! 🥲
I really hope you’re ok too. X

@LucyEleanorModeratz I’m really sorry you’re going through it too, it’s such a horrible feeling.
I read it’s usually chromosomal abnormalities but I think mine could be from abnormal cervical cells which I know I have. Who know, my gp told me to contact them if it happens again so I’ll let you know if they suggest anything or help at all x

@Mrsrobinsonx I’ve been reading about it and from what I’ve seen it appears to be very, very common - most people don’t even know it has happened unless they’re doing early testing (bloomin’ POAS addiction…). I figure that as I’ve already held on to two (three if you count the tfmr) then I should be able to do it okay. I’m trying to promise myself no more early testing. We’ll see how that goes 😂

I am a little worried because my tfmr was down to chromosomal issues and I am aware that many early miscarriages can also be because of that… combined with my age… this could be a worry going forward. But for now I’m trying, as always, to stay positive and focus on the fact that an egg got fertilised and managed to implant. Many don’t even get that far. 🤞 for all of us for next month.

With you in solidarity also- had 2 CPs last cycle and the cycle before that.
I’m 37 and into 7th cycle now, so I went to my GP recently to get the ball rolling with fertility stuff.
She wasn’t concerned. Said that it is probably egg quality due to my age, that my body has detected the egg wasn’t right and got rid 🤷🏼‍♀️ She said it isn’t unusual and it’s just that nowadays HPTs are so sensitive and encourage you to test so early. Most CPs if we didn’t test early etc we wouldn’t know and would just get a ‘late period’.
She ordered blood tests anyway, so just had my day 21s and got my day 3s in a week or so. I guess if my progesterone is low they’ll look at that first.

agree, it is normal, and common, and more likely to happen than not, its just in the past no one would have detected these events

Hey, not TTC here but saw your thread and brought back memories of when I was TTC DD number 2 (now almost 3yo). I had 4 CP’s trying for her. I was put on progesterone suppositories when I was pregnant for the 5th time…she stuck! Not sure if it was going to happen anyway or if the progesterone helped. Hope you get your sticky positive soon - I know how frustrating and heartbreaking this time is

Sorry for your losses.

If you change the language, what you are having is very early miscarriages (I hate the term chemical pregnancy, I feel it’s an attempt to minimise this sort of miscarriage).

Miscarriage always has a medical reason. We don’t necessarily know what the reason is, and you might never find a reason, but it’s important to get these investigated properly. There are treatable conditions that can cause this sort of early miscarriage - low progesterone, some clotting conditions (I’ve got APS which can cause very early miscarriage by interfering with implantation), thyroid, vitamin deficiency, and I’m sure many other things I wouldn’t have a clue about.

If I’d listened to my GP waffling about my age, egg quality, and chromosomes, then I’d probably still be childless as the only things that will get my body through a pregnancy are aspirin, heparin and progesterone. He was well meaning, but GPs aren’t fertility experts and I insisted the hospital referred me for further tests after my third miscarriage (although I’ll always be annoyed about that GP as it should have been done after my second and he cost me already limited time).

I’m glad your GP is supportive - it sounds like they plan to refer you for tests if it happens again. Check your local recurrent miscarriage clinic to see what their requirements are, for some it is 2 miscarriages. Waiting lists can be long so if you can get referred now it’s worth it.

I hope you don’t need it and everything is fine next time, chances are it will be but if you are already on their waiting list often they will bump you up to appointment if you get pregnant while waiting xx

Yes unfortunately I had 2 CPs after dc2. I then went on to have dc3 then 4 with no issues. GP was going to send me for tests if it happened again but thankfully all was ok the following time.

I did. Chemical pregnancies are really really common. Before early testing was a thing we would have just been blissfully unaware that things had even got that far.

I lost pregnancies at 5 weeks, 11 weeks and 6 weeks. I then started taking low dose aspirin from CD12 if I got a faint positive. Then I had injected blood thinners. We're all different but for me it seems that my blood was slightly sticky and causing problems.

I did and it turned out that my lining was too thin to sustain a pregnancy so I was put on oestrogen. I was already taking aspirin and progesterone due to three previous mcs. No problem with lining after that.

This is not true, and you are looking at this from totally the wrong way around.

These are not "miscarriages" and are not necessarily for any medical reason.

It is the exact opposite

Most conceptions dont implant, less then half of conceptions develop

It isnt because something is wrong, it is because naturally not enough of them are right

Its a case of waiting for one to go right, rather than anything making anything go wrong, in almost every woman

Its called a "chemical" because it isnt an established pregnancy, it is just a conception that can be detected chemically, which has the potential hopefully to develop, but probably wont.

Any conception detected at this early stage probably wont develop, as less than half do

I had 2 in 6 months, then had ds, then 2 more chemicals, then got pregnant at 44 but sadly lost my dd at 16 weeks.

@Nimbostratus100 my consultant at the recurrent miscarriage clinic disagrees, and as this is her day job, as well as running the educational programme for the whole hospital Trust, and being regarded as a significant expert in her field, and in miscarriage research in general, I will go along with her professional opinion.
I’m not intending to be rude, just blunt x

not taken as rude, dont worry! But there is a big difference between an early miscarriage, and a "chemical" pregnancy, and also a big difference in opinion about where the dividing line is. Most conceptions fail, and most women are better off not going through the emotional rollercoaster of detecting each and every conception when we know that more than half will fail, and always have done. Of course, for some women, there is a medical reason not to get over that hump, and needs investigating.

I do think that people need to understand that "conception" isn't normally going to lead to established pregnancy in most cases, and it would help manage expectations, and avoid so much distress

Thanks for sharing your opinion @Nimbostratus100, it's good to hear a variety of perspectives in these forums. You didn't mention, are you medically trained or working in the fertility field? Or with personal experience of this rather complex and understandably for those concerned, emotive topic? I'm just curious to guage what may motivate your comments, and so that these comments and be considered in the context of this.

I'd like to add my perspective from my own experience of a chemical pregnancy resulting in miscarriage (my last one just this weekend).

My understanding is that miscarriage is the term applied to describe the loss of a pregnancy before 23 weeks gestation. A pregnancy is chemically established at implantation as cannot be detected prior to this point. And absolutely not all conceptions progress to implantation. But once they do, our bodies ramp up a gear to support the pregnancy via hormones etc etc. And this is what we are all referring to on here. Our pregnancies that we have felt physically and held emotionally in mind for the short time we got to have them, and then have sadly lost.
This is real pregnancy and real pregnancy loss. It's a real misscarriage.

Thanks for starting this thread @Mrsrobinsonx . I'm really interested in this topic too. My bleeding this time has been very different to my last CP ( which was much heavier than my usual period, very painful and full of clots). This time it has only lasted 2 days and was bright red with minimal clots. Much lighter and shorter than my usual period and it's making me wonder if this may be indicative of what the problem (or part of the problem) may have been - lack of adequate lining to support the pregnancy. I ovulated early at 10/11dpo and then physically felt implantation at 6dpo, it's not a great deal of time for lining to build up. Just a theory and I could be completely wrong. My other theory is that it may have been an immature egg due to early ovulation. I usually ovulate CD 13-16.

I'm so sorry for all of your losses and I hope you find peace with them and have the emotional support you need 💐

I had at least five before dd 1. I took low dose aspirin and the next one stuck. Was about to have tests done but dd stuck.

I had 2 late last year both at 5ish weeks (one in October and one in November) then I got another bfp in December (so 3 cycles in a row) and I’m now 12 weeks pregnant. I’m terrified of my scan on Wednesday but I had a private scan at 9 weeks and was all great so hopefully still is.

I have had a child before and I had all of the blood tests and all were great results. I have no progesterone issues according to my bloods, no thyroid problems, no hormone problems etc so I’m thinking it’s probably just that those eggs had chromosomal abnormalities maybe because of my age (I’ve not long tuned 38).

unfortunately miscarriages before 6 weeks are really really common 😞