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Is is possible to have 3 days of cramping as implantation!?
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Kittybijoux · 23/09/2022 16:59

Hi all,
first time on here 👋🏼 we have been ttc for 2 years. I have endo and adenomyosis so have a laparoscopy coming up before Christmas then possible IVF early next year. Obviously hoping to get pregnant naturally before but looks like IVF might be the only way. I’d stopped looking out for symptoms but this month I’ve felt so tired and just different with various small cramps and pains here and there, I do usually get some of these with the endo but not like this and SO much bloating! Because of the symptoms I took tests and all came back positive but at the 40 min mark, I have NEVER had a second line even days later so have been doing a lot of reading and it looks like there just be a small amount of HCG in my wee for it to pick it up. I don’t read in to the myth on evaporation lines as like I said, I’ve done lots of tests and never had a line then to get 5 in one week! 9 dpo I got mild cramps in the evening then 10 dpo I had a day of cramps and quite bad lower back pain, 11 dpo and a bit of back pain and today (12 dpo) I have had cramps and back pain all day and no period. This is unusual for me as I usually get mild cramps the day before my period starts, never had 3 days of cramps and no period! Help what do you think!? Period is officially due tomorrow / day after.

Is is possible to have 3 days of cramping as implantation!?
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Pumpkinpatchlookinggood · 23/09/2022 17:05

Cramping was definitely normal for me. As was huge period pains!!
Fingers crossed op!

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Kittybijoux · 23/09/2022 17:14

Thanks @Pumpkinpatchlookinggood !

I have also done 2 normal tests so not the early detection ones and they have come back negative. I don't know what to think Confused I keep thinking my period is going to come every time I go to the toilet. Weird to have 3 days of quite full on cramps and no period? When did you get a bfp in the 10 min window if you don't mind me asking?

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Kittybijoux · 23/09/2022 18:49

Has anyone had 3 days of cramping before having a loss from a chemical pregnancy?

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Mannymoomin · 23/09/2022 19:07

In all five of my pregnancies I’ve had early cramping, not sure exactly when but definitely before missed AF.
Ill be keeping my fingers crossed that this is the start of a well deserved positive result for you.
I also think you should get some FRER as they are much more reliable than blue dye tests.
Although it doesn’t seem likely that you’d have that many evap lines.
Were them tests all from the same batch?

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Kittybijoux · 23/09/2022 19:19

Thank you @Mannymoomin I really appreciate that 😘 they have been from 3 different boxes and too much of a coincidence to all have lines but again they have some at around the 40 min mark. I've done 2 Boots own ones and they have come back as negative. I usually have a 27-29 day cycle so if I haven't bled by the end of day 29 but still having cramps I will do a first response on day 30. I felt hopeful but I can't say I am giving out much hope now 😢 it's definitely not been a 'normal' month, never had 3 days of full on period cramps and no period and also never had positive lines...albeit late ones! What was the cramping like in your pregnancies?

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Mannymoomin · 23/09/2022 19:27

My cramps have always been similar to period cramps.
I’m not sure of the sensitivity of boots own.
I agree it would be strange to have that many evap lines from multiple batches, clearblue tests are known for it I know, but still to have that many does seem strange.
Personally I’m optimistic for you, I’m keeping my fingers crossed for you.

please come back and update us 💐

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Kittybijoux · 23/09/2022 19:29

Thank you @Mannymoomin I will keep you guys updated...and might come back on here if I am still in the dark and confused 🫤 xx

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anon1411 · 23/09/2022 19:39

@Kittybijoux
Hey lovely, wanted to comment as I feel I'm similar to you in my situation. I had one day of HORRENDOUS Cramps, like very painful, then for 48 hours the lightest pink spotting, i wore a pad thinking my AF was going to come. It never came and my pad never filled with pink spotting. It was pretty much when I wiped and went to the toilet o could see a tiny bit.

Took some tests, some had the faintest line ever, albeit after the recommended wait time (some straight away) but they were there. Then other tests have been clear as day negative. I'm having a lot of symptoms, cramps, twinges, nausea, Tiredness etc etc but can't seem to get a definitive answer. Its 2 weeks later and I'm still getting a mix of negatives negatives extremely faint positives.

Did you get any answers lovely 🌟

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Kittybijoux · 23/09/2022 20:22

@anon1411 it's torture not knowing isn't it. Thank you for telling me your experience. Today is 12dpo and day 27 of my cycle, usually I would be expecting my period now. I am wondering if I get my period after this if it's been a chemical pregnancy? My cramps have been bad too, I had a hot water bottle all Wednesday and I've had one all day today...no period as yet! Obvs hoping for it not to come but the recent negative tests have put me on my guard. What day are you in your cycle? Have you been testing?

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Kittybijoux · 23/09/2022 20:23

@anon1411 sorry you did say you were having a mixture of negatives and faint positives, what day are you in your cycle and how many dpo?

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anon1411 · 23/09/2022 20:43

@Kittybijoux
Bless you its horrible isn't. The waiting is always the worst but then to feel confused and a bit all over on top of that never helps. I know the feeling all too well.

Well they look like faint positives to me but I've had opinions from others to say they think Evaps.
My periods are irregular so I don't actually know what I can go by, this is why I'm a bit clueless as to what's going on. I had pink spotting on the 7th Sept so I'm kind of going by that and that I would have conceived maybe 10-14 days before this. But I'm not entirely sure. 🤷‍♀️ I'm going to test again tomorrow but if i get a distinct negative I feel it may have been a chemical

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Kittybijoux · 23/09/2022 21:00

@anon1411 strange that you have had light spotting and also the faint positives. I don't think evaporation lines exist, as they work the same as covid tests, something has to be there for anything to be picked up. This article was really useful to me when I was researching, I can't find it from the link anymore but I saved the actual article;

Hello everyone I get really annoyed when I read all these articles and comments about 'evaporation lines' on home pregnancy tests, and especially, when such comments or articles are said to be written by so-called 'experts' or 'clinicians', and which seem to leave a large number of women with all sorts of doubts and anxieties about test-results. So I thought I would sit and write a few facts about various similar tests. I am a clinician and I also have much experience using various tests within laboratories or clinical settings. I have also been trained in the medical micro-biology (lab-testing). 

The home pregnancy tests are 'assay' tests which rely on specific reactions between chemicals, to produce coloured lines. The 'control' lines of the home pregnancy tests are assayed areas which are designed to react with specific chemicals commonly found in urine, and which, when detected, react with the chemicals in the control-line assays (strips/areas) and turn them a certain colour (pink or blue depending on the test used). However, the 'pregnancy' assay (test -area/strip) is designed to change colour only if it comes into contact with the HCG hormone – the 'pregnancy' hormone. HCG is only produced when an egg has been fertilised. So then, if no conception has occurred, then no HCG will be produced by the body, and therefore, no HCG will ever be found in the urine. 

Moving on... sometimes fertilisation occurs and HCG is produced for a while, but for some reason, the body detects that the pregnancy will not be successful (not 'viable') and the fertilised egg ceases to continue to divide and develop. So the pregnancy stops. However, until the pregnancy stops, the woman will still be producing HCG, and may well have some of the other 'usual' symptoms of pregnancy (though some women have absolutely no symptoms for a considerable period of time), and; although the pregnancy may have stopped almost as soon as it began; it may still take a couple weeks or so for all the HCG in the body to be disposed-of via the urinary system. Also, it may still take a couple weeks or so for the 'symptoms of pregnancy' to stop altogether. This process of fertilisation, followed by a very early termination is known as a 'chemical pregnancy', and many women can have these, whereby the woman is sure she is pregnant, but then she later has a period – even though a home pregnancy test might have shown a faint or clear line in the first couple weeks or so – and hence is why some women are left wondering why their period returned.

So for those women whereby, unfortunately, fertilisation has occurred, but the pregnancy was not viable, they were pregnant, but the pregnancy stopped. However, for those women whose egg(s) is fertilised, and for whom the pregnancy continues, then they will continue to produce HCG from the moment of fertilisation, and, those levels of HCG will rise over the coming weeks, and will, at some stage, be readily detectable either by home pregnancy tests, or by blood tests via their local Doctor or Clinic. 

So then, back to home pregnancy tests ….. I have already said that the control lines react to molecules found within normal urine, and, when those molecules pass over those control-line areas (control 'assay' areas) then the molecules come into contact with other molecules within the control assay and they bind together. Indeed, they are attracted to each other by a process known as 'chemotaxis'. And on contact, two different molecules form a 'complex' which changes both it's shape and it's colour – hence the coloured control lines you see in the test areas. However, if the right molecules are not present in the urine, then no other molecules can bind to the control molecules – and no colouration will occur – so the test will be 'void' – and another test should be done. 

However, in the event of carrying out a test – and the control lines change colour as they should, then the woman or couple is anxiously waiting (if they wish to have a baby that is) for the 'positive' or 'pregnancy' line to change colour too! And here is where we need to get onto the subject of the 'faint' lines and the 'evaporation' lines that people keep talking about. Going back to the test-strip; the 'pregnancy' line contains different molecules to the molecules of the 'control' lines; and the molecules in the pregnancy line/strip (the pregnancy test-assay) will only react – and change colour – in the presence of one other molecule; and that is the HCG hormone. No other molecule or hormone will cause it to change colour. 

Changing the subject slightly, if we take a pure white tissue and add one drop of water onto it, the area of the tissue containing the water will now have turned slightly 'grey' – because it's wet. But it wont turn pink or blue. So if we carry out a home pregnancy test and the control lines are pink or blue (depending on the test you use), but the 'pregnancy' strip remains white or slightly grey – even hours after the test – then there has been no HCG detected in the urine, to mix with the pregnancy-strip molecules and to make them change colour (which is what you will be hoping for). So if the strip remains white or slightly grey – no matter how many hours or days after you did the test - then the strip is simply wet from the urine, but it does not contain any HCG. So, either you are not pregnant, or, if your period has stopped, then you may still be pregnant but your HCG is so low that it cannot yet be detected by the test. 

However, if you do a test and you get the faintest coloured line in the 'pregnancy' test-strip/assay area on the test, then HCG has definitely been detected. If it's faint, then HCG is present in very low concentration, and if it is a dark coloured line, then the concentration of HCG is higher. But whatever the concentrations, provided you get a colour in he 'pregnancy' area, then you are pregnant at the time of testing. 

And now for the famous 'evaporation lines' that so many people – and 'experts' talk about. To start-with, no evaporation line will be coloured (pink or blue etc. depending on the test you used). Only the HCG can combine with the pregnancy-assay molecules and bring about a colour-change. So if the line is coloured – no matter how faint the line is – then HCG made the line change colour – nothing else! However, just like the wet tissue-paper we talked about earlier, if the area is simply wet with urine, the pregnancy strip may possibly turn a little 'grey' – like a 'shadowy' colour; but if there is no pink or blue colour, then no HCG has been detected. However, remember that the area of the test-stick that you 'wee' on is made of a very dense material, and urine will be absorbed by this dense material and will travel along the test-stick by 'passive-diffusion'. 

And liquids like to move from an area of their high concentration – to an area of their low concentration, so, because the test-stick is sealed and dry, the urine will travel along it – to it's other end – and may 'drip-out' inside the sealed area of the stick (the bit after the test and control areas that you cannot see). So the urine will keep moving until the end that you 'wee'd' on has no more urine to offer! Then the 'concentration gradient' ceases and the 'diffusion' will stop. And in most cases, test-sticks – especially those with caps on – can stay wet for days! So if you go back to the stick an hour, or two, or three or four hours etc after the test; and the 'pregnancy' strip has changed colour (pink or blue depending on the test etc), then, whilst the urine has spent several hours travelling up the stick from one end to it's other – and 'dripping out at the other end – the urine has been passing over the 'pregnancy' area all the while. 

Therefore, even if the HCG levels are virtually undetectable (but present in minute quantities), as the urine travels over the pregnancy-assay, the HCG will still be attracted-to (remember the 'chemotaxis' we talked about earlier) and will bind with the molecules in the pregnancy-assay – hence a positive coloured line showing up to several hours after the test was done. Like I said, no other molecule or hormone will make the pregnancy-assay change colour – except HCG. So, if after an hour, or several hours, you have a coloured line in any way, then HCG has been detected – and HCG can only be found in your urine if an egg has been fertilised. 

So let's not have any more if this 'evaporation line' confusion. If it's slightly grey or remains white – however long after the test you look - then no HCG is present. But if it 's coloured – then HCG is present – in whatever concentration – because only HCG can bring about the colouration of pink/blue, depending on the test you are using. And finally, some tests don't dry out for days – sometimes many days (especially those that you put the caps back on) - so the water-content of the urea has not even evaporated – yet people still go on about 'evaporation lines' – which, in my opinion, is nonsense. And for the record, my Wife's test had a coloured line several hours after we did the test – and I knew she was pregnant – despite the articles I read on the internet about evaporation lines. 

And indeed, the next tests proved that she was. I am critically aware of the intense emotions involved when people are hoping or trying to become pregnant - and I hate to think of the emotional heartache and anxieties that these mixed or uncertain test-results can cause - hence the reason for taking the time to write this short article. I hope it helps, and feedback - whether positive or otherwise - is always useful. Take care - and lots of baby-dust - to all prospective Mums-n-Dads



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anon1411 · 23/09/2022 22:26

@Kittybijoux
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT 🌟
I'm not 'against' evaporation lines but I do think people are very quick to just call lines evap lines. Like the article states if they are grey then yes completely agree but if they have colour surely thats a sign of something. I've had 3 ClearBlue tests, every single time the line came up stupidly faint in the time frame with barely any, if any colour at all, but within 10 minutes, it has turned blue and I have always said surely there has to be some sort of HCG levels in it to show up. But a lot of the time this opinion gets knocked down.

Honestly thank you for that 💐

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bathbombaholic · Yesterday 09:38

@Kittybijoux have you done a test this morning? 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼

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Kittybijoux · Yesterday 16:47

@anon1411 I'm glad it's been helpful to you. I work with the community and I went to work throughout all 3 lockdowns so did 2 lateral flow tests each week. I never got a second line, not even days later but when I actually had covid I got that second line. It will be the same with the pregnancy tests. All my clear blues had a blue line but at the 45 minute mark, so either I had a fertilised egg last month or I currently have one now but my levels of HCG are really low which might been a chemical pregnancy this month as I tested negative yesterday 😒

@bathbombaholic I've not dare test again! I said to myself that I was going to wait and if no period my Monday (day 30 in my cycle) then I'm going to test. BUT I have had some spotting this last 2 hours, a very small amount of pale brown and tiny bit of pink so this could be the start of my period. I do usually have a heavy bleed straight away so it's unusual for it to be so light at the beginning but then this month has been completely different so who knows!

@anon1411 maybe go to the dr for a blood test? Odd to be getting mixed results but surely it's good if you are getting some positives?

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Kittybijoux · Yesterday 16:51

Also I've had such intense period type pains again today, this is the 3rd day. The hot water bottle is my best friend this week!

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