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Miscarried,struggling to conceive and now best friend is TTC.Advice,please?

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AN91 · 10/03/2018 23:46

Hi,Mumsnet

New to the forum,so please be gentle.

In desperate need of some advice from others who may have experienced similar situations. I have an amazing family and good friends,but nobody who has been in a similar position and,for something like this,I really feel as though I need to get advice from someone who has experienced the same.

Warning:this is a lengthy post.

So,Just some history: I was born with a genetic disorder called ‘incontinentia pigmentosa’. Where my fertility is concerned,that basically means that my chance of having a healthy baby is reduced significantly.If a male embryo inherits my faulty ‘X’ chromosome,he will not survive the pregnancy and,if a female embryo inherits my faulty ‘X’ chromosome,she would also be affected by the condition,which can vary widely in its symptoms and levels of severity. In addition to this,I have never had regular periods. For a time,I was told I have PCOS,but for the last 2yrs or so,scans have shown my ovaries to be clear and my periods are now more regular,but still without a ‘pattern’,which makes TTC more challenging as I never know when I am ovulating.

At the beginning of August last year,I was absolutely thrilled to discover I was pregnant.I had only been TTC for a few months and,after experiencing extreme fatigue,a very tingly and sore chest and frequent urination,I took a pregnancy test.I had had some tiny bleeding and some cramps,(which I later figured must have been implantation bleeding),a few weeks before,but did not even know what implantation bleeding was at the time,so did not think anything of it at the time. The second I got that BFP,my entire existence became the little life growing within me.That rush of maternal love you hear about at such a time was no far-stretched romantic notion as I had previously believed it to be-I felt it within the core of my very being.This was my baby and I already loved it with every ounce of my soul.

Anyway,fast forward about 10 days and my pregnancy symptoms had started to ‘dwindle’.I had a scan with the early pregnancy unit and, as I was still too early on, had to have an internal,which detected that there was most definitely a viable pregnancy there. The sonographer even thought there may be another foetus in a different part of my uterus,but also said the fluid in the sac could just be some blood,so asked me to return a few days later when the image may be clearer and any potential foetus may have developed a little more. As process dictates,they did some bloods and asked me to return a few days later for the second scan and so they could recheck my bloods to ensure the HCG hormone had increased at the rate it should.

I returned for my second scan and actually heard my baby’s heartbeat. I genuinely believed there was no way it would have developed enough to be seen on an external ultrasound,but there it was.In 3 short days it had developed so rapidly.I took that as a positive sign and thanked God that all my worrying and googling had been for nothing.I vowed to relax a little more and just enjoy my pregnancy.I couldn’t live in this constant state of paranoia for the next ‘however many’ months.After all,the stress is not good for the baby,right?There was only one pregnancy,but I was absolutely overjoyed with that one little heartbeat.My baby.The feeling was incomparable. My bloods were taken and I skipped off to work elated.

That afternoon,I got a call from one of the lovely nurses in the EPU.She told me that my HCG level had not increased as significantly as would normally be expected,but that that is not necessarily a cause for alarm as,sometimes,the hormone does ‘dip’ and then ‘spike’ again.Moreover,the increase rates are just ‘guidelines’ and every woman’s body is different during pregnancy. She invited me in for another scan and this was scheduled for in around 10 days time,just so we could give the pregnancy a chance to develop more.I was told to remain positive and just call them anytime if I had any bleeding or cramping. I was dreading this 10 day wait,especially because I kept feeling my symptoms were just not as strong as they previously had been,but I tried to take comfort in the fact that,despite the lower level of HCG,the baby had developed so quickly in three short days.

In the intervening days,I had a routine appointment with the nurse at my surgery and,when I discussed my concerns with her,she also advised me to just relax and only be alarmed if I was bleeding and cramping.

Try as I might,I was just so uneasy and could not shake the feeling that something was not right. I read about missed miscarriages and was convinced that was what I was experiencing.

Myself and my husband went to the EPU exactly three weeks to the day I had got my BFP.I had taken him with me,excited at the prospect of us hearing our baby’s heartbeat together for the first time.I was absolutely giddy with excitement and had already decided how we would ‘cherish’ that moment as one of the most special ‘firsts’ of our life.

I went in for the scan and the sonographer silently scanned my belly. The panic set in and I started to cry.He asked to do an internal examination and,as I asked him why this was necessary when my baby had previously been visible on an external scan,I was gripped with fear.I consented to the internal,but sobbed throughout.He then said he needed to call somebody else in and that just cemented my fears.Just two sentences and my world seemed to collapse:’I’m sorry.There’s no heartbeat’.

I was inconsolable.It was indeed a missed miscarriage.My baby’s heart had stopped beating at 7wks and 3 days.There’s no reason for these things.Things may get moving naturally in a few days,but I may need a procedure to ‘remove the product of my conception’.I couldn’t function.The staff were absolutely amazing,so supportive and kind; they asked me to come back the next day as they knew I was in no fit state to discuss anything with them at that moment in time.

I text my Mum,told her to tell those who knew,(very close friends and family),and said I did not want sympathy or a ‘fuss’;I wanted them to laugh and talk around me as normal;I did not want this brought up.It just felt better that way.

I returned to the hospital the following day-a Tuesday-by myself to fill out some paperwork. A date for the procedure was set.I would have an ‘ERPC’ on Friday,one day before our 4yr wedding anniversary.

I had told the hospital I did not want a cremation as it is not in line with my beliefs.I know that may sound silly to some,but I found great comfort in my faith,especially in a particular verse which stated that the miscarried foetus will pull its mother by its umbilical cord into Heaven,the pure baby refusing to be separated from its mother in the afterlife as it was in the worldy life. I did not want to jeopardise this reunion in any way and the hospital staff kindly agreed to allow me to have my baby’s remains so I could lay them to rest as I saw fit.

The medication provided to me a few hours before the procedure induced vomiting and had me writhing around on the floor in pain.It had kickstarted the natural process.The surgery and recovery were physically not too painful,but the emotional pain was-and still is-inexplicable.I refused to discuss it with my Mum as she would have been more pained to know exactly how much I was hurting and I just didn’t feel right talking to anybody else anyway:it made it real and I could not cope because I could not put the depths of my pain,the hollowness in my womb,the searing pain in my heart in to words.There are literally no words.I held it together around everyone else and then,on a night,in bed,the floodgates opened and I cried to the point of exhaustion.

The walk out of the hospital with my tiny baby’s little cardboard ‘coffin’ was the worst walk of my life.My legs felt like lead.Everything seemed to move in slow motion.This was the only time I would ever carry my baby.The pain is just indescribable.Me and my husband laid our first child to rest in a beautiful location,with a note from me,apologising for not being strong enough to carry and protect my baby and promising I would always love it,remember it and look forward to being reunited with it in Heaven.

The months that followed were exhausting,but my friends and family were amazing.I kept trying to stay positive,but my periods had again become very infrequent,(I had one period in 3mths and was convinced the procedure had again thrown my entire cycle out of the window.I was terrified that this would make it almost impossible to conceive as the less frequent my periods,the less chance of conception).People had said the first 6mths after a miscarriage are when you are most likely to become pregnant again,but that didn’t happen.I had some internal scans and they confirmed that the procedure didn’t damaged anything internally,so it may just be that my hormones need to regain balance.

Meanwhile,the wandering eyes over my tummy before they meet my face,the constant question:’No babies yet’?and the:’Hurry up!It’s your turn now’!comments continued.I needn’t state how mentally and emotionally draining and how hurtful these things are when you are STC or have suffered a miscarriage. I struggle with this pain and worry about conception every day.It is an overwhelming feeling.

Throughout it all,my family and friends have been incredible,which leads me on to my predicament: my best friend,who I love like a sister and who I truly believe is my soulmate,is now TTC.

She is married and I did know this day would come,but I always thought I would be pregnant by then and pushed any other thoughts aside. As far as I was aware,she was not planning on TTC or at least another 6mths or so and today,I got a message from her saying she has now stopped using contraception.I am floored.

I love her to absolute pieces,but I am petrified that this will impact our friendship,which is something I really do not want to happen.She is absolutely entitled to her own life and happiness.She does not and should not have to wait for me to be in a position where I have/am having a family before she should feel able to do the same,but I just do not know if I can be happy for her.I want to adore any child(ren) she may have like I would my own.I genuinely do.I want to be happy and excited if the need arises,but I just cannot fathom it whilst I am in this position myself.I just can’t be overjoyed like I normally would be/should be as her best friend and surrogate sister and it is so painful.

I keep thinking about how I will feel if she gets pregnant whilst I am still struggling and I know I will find it very difficult,because I have with other people.With them,however,they are colleagues,or people I am acquainted with,so we’re not really a part of one another’s lives.I wouldn’t be involved in their pregnancy,their child,their lives.This is my best friend.I want to be a part of all that with her.It’s how I always imagined it to be,but I am dreading her telling me she is pregnant if I am not;dreading discussions about her pregnancy,watching her tummy swell,being part of a baby shower and cooing over a little bundle of perfectness that I cannot yet have myself and I feel awful for feeling this way.I feel like such a horrible person and that is making this worse because I genuinely want to be happy for her but,at the moment,I just can’t be and I’m scared.

Please understand I have never ever EVER been jealous of my best friend,(or any friend).I am not materialistic and have always been happy and proud of her achievements and acquisitions,like any true friend should.She has always been there for me and I appreciate her so much.I couldn’t love her more if I tried.This is the first thing I have ever felt this way about and I just cannot control it.I am petrified and I don’t know how to cope.I don’t want to lose her and I want to be there for her and be a part of this amazing journey with her,but how can I be when seeing a random pregnant woman/baby almost physically makes me double over to try and combat that hollowness in the pit of my stomach and this would be my best friend and her baby?It’s too close and I’m so scared.

Is there anyone who has been in a similar situation and may be able to help?

Thank-you.

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OrangeHorse · 11/03/2018 00:19

So sorry for your loss Thanks

I've been in a similar situation but I would say the one thing in this is that you're assuming everything will go fine for her. I was TTC at the same time a a close friend. She fell pregnant first and then suffered an early miscarriage. It was horrible, I supported her through it but then found I was pregnant myself. She really struggled with me being pregnant and even mentioned that she felt like our friendship (of 15+ years) might not survive the situation. This hurt me a lot. Unfortunately I then suffered a missed miscarriage but didn't have this confirmed until I was 10 weeks along. I had medical management. As soon as she heard about my loss she was back to being my amazing friend and so supportive but I've always felt a little sad about what happened.

Just remember your friend might have as difficult time as you have had.

I hope you get your little rainbow soon, mine is now 9 months old

AN91 · 11/03/2018 00:37

OrangeHorse

Thank-you.❤️

I am also sorry for the loss you experienced,but massive congratulations on your rainbow baby.🌈.I love hearing about them-it givesme some kind of hope.Could I please ask how long it took you to conceive after your MC?I know it’s not really an indication of how long I may have to wait,but I can’t help myself.Looking for comfort in any way I can,I suppose!

You are absolutely right,I am really running away with myself here and things may not go to plan for her.I truly wish that does not happen because she is beautiful and I want it all to go well for her.I just wish I could feel happy about it all.I would feel doubly awful,(and maybe even a little responsible),if I am feeling this way and something was to go wrong for her...

I have messaged her and asked her to call me when she can so we can discuss her message and talk about things.I want to be honest with her and just tell her to be patient if I cannot be as I should of she gets pregnant before me,but am afraid of encountering a situation sinilar to yours and ruining a friendship of 15yrs because of my feelings.

Don’t know whether I should just let things lie until them time comes...

Thank-you for your reply.Please keep your fingers crossed for me.xx

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AN91 · 11/03/2018 00:39

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OrangeHorse · 11/03/2018 09:04

I'd tell her how you're feeling, my friend told me and although I was hurt she felt like that I understood to a certain extent (although I hadn't suffered a miscarriage at that point, and I don't think you really understand unless you do.) I hope your friend will understand and be supportive and try to understand your fears. I had very real fears that I would never have children and I shared these with my friend (she already had a son.) It was just a lot of talking and trying to understand things from both sides which helped us stay together with a great friendship.

I was lucky, it took me two months after my miscarriage to fall pregnant again.

Good luck with everything xx

Taffeta · 11/03/2018 09:12

I’d agree with talking to her

I have PCOS and have had 2 MMCs and now have 2 DCs

I lost a good friend when I got pregnant with DC2, we’d both been trying for a while and she kept having miscarriages. (She had DC1 at 44, and was trying for DC2 aged 46-48). She dropped me like a hot coal.

I’d’ve really loved her to talk to me. To rage at me. To shout at me. To tell me how unfair it all is. Even though I was pregnant I didn’t expect her to be happy for me or share my joy. But I did still want her to talk at me, to moan, whinge, cry, rage, anything. She was my friend and I wanted to be there for her.

AN91 · 11/03/2018 11:32

@OrangeHorse @Taffeta

Thanks,ladies. That’s sound advice. Been really restless overnight and just very anxious,but think honesty is the best policy. She has always been very understanding,so I hope this will be no different.

Who knows what the future holds? Maybe I too will get my BFP around the same time as her and our children can then be best friends too! 😊 xx

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Cakelaur · 11/03/2018 21:43

@AN91 firstly.... I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm two months on from my erpc and I totally relate to every word you've written. I was in the exact same situation as you. My best friend fell pregnant the first month of ttc. My period was late one month. So she assumed I was pregnant so wanted to be pregnant with me. I then got my period, she got her bfp. I then struggled for another 7 months (almost a year in total) I then got my bfp. And suffered a mmc at 8 weeks. One month later she had her baby. All I can say is that she was just as scared as I was that it would affect our relationship. I told her how I felt and she told me how she felt and our relationship has never been stronger.
I can honestly say I'm so glad I threw myself into her pregnancy and birth and baby... because holding him, takes some of the pain away for not holding my own. And she lets me cry and bitch about it all to her. But she struggles with other things that I don't. Like money and relationship. So just remember that everyone struggles with different things. I wish you all the best with your journey. And I totally know your pain. 🤞 for your bfp and I hope you find your happiness. Xx

bluemoonchances · 11/03/2018 22:19

I'm sorry for your loss, I can totally empathise as I've been in your place.
I've been TTC For almost 8yrs now. I've had 6 MC. Including one that sounds pretty much exactly the same as what you went through. Obviously during the past 8 years pretty much all of my friends have TTC and now have families. Most have had 2 or 3 children in that time!
And so I can tell you for absolute certain that when your best friend tells you that she's pregnant, you'll feel sad that it's not you, but because you love her you will be thrilled and excited for her. I've loved supporting my friends through their pregnancies and it's been a joy to watch the babies turn into toddlers and then go to school etc. But yes I also get sad and angry that it's not me.
You're clearly thoughtful and sensitive but there are some things in life we just have no control over and this is one of them. You know that you will feel sad but just try not to make it about you, it will be an exciting time for her, try and share her excitement. I guarantee she'll be just as worried about telling you if she gets pregnant because she loves you too.
Good luck I really hope you get your own successful pregnancy soon xx

CLB540 · 12/03/2018 13:00

I have just found out that my sister in law is pregnant. They told my mum and family yesterday on mothers day. I have been silently trying to conceive for over a year and i am trying so hard to be happy but all i can feel is 'why not me' i feel selfish. She came off the pill at the start of the month and was pregnant by the end. It doesnt seem fair. I am probably being jealous but that feeling of emptiness and utter failure wont go. My husband keeps saying it will happen to us but that is not helping.
I havent stopped crying since and am in despair.
I hope that when/if the time comes that your best friend tells you she is expecting you dont feel how i do as it is very lonely.
I am sorry to hear all what you have been through and i hope things get better for you x

AN91 · 12/03/2018 13:39

@cakelaur:
I’m so very sorry for your loss.It is a rubbish thing to happen,but I hope you find some solace in knowing you are not alone.Always try and keep the faith-rainbow babies happen and,hopefully,one day we will have our very own.

I am glad you and your best friend managed to find a way to work things through.Your friendship sounds very special.

I spoke to my best friend yesterday.I literally sobbed down the phone,telling her how much I love her,explaining and apologising for my feelings.I don’t know if I’m feeling overly sensitive at the moment,but she just seemed a bit removed.She just kept repeating:’I know’, and said it would one day happen for me,too and that she always prays for me,but I just didn’t feel ‘supported’ considering I was pouring my heart out to her.She had to rush off the phone as she was entering a packed house and couldn’t talk privately,but I didn’t get a supportive text later and she hasn’t bee in touch since then,(which is unusual).

Like I said:I’m probably just being overly sensitive,but I do feel like she wasn’t really trying to offer the kind of support I would have if I was in her position.If this is the way it is now,I wonder how it will be when shee does fall pregnant and i am actually struggling with that...?

I suppose only time will tell...

Thank-you for all your well-wishes.I hope to soon read an update about you having a BFP too.😘xx

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AN91 · 12/03/2018 13:50

@bluemoonchances

You sound so,so strong.I am so sorry to hear about what you have experienced. I struggle so much having had 1 miscarriage and having struggled to conceive for nearly a year.I cannot imagine how much you must have endured. You sound so strong. I hope your spirit carries you through until you too are blessed with a baby.❤️. Please try to stay positive,(I know it is much,much easier said than done).I know of a couple who struggled for 7yrs and now have 3 beautiful children and another who struggled for 13 before they had their first-born:Sometimes it just takes longer...That doesn’t mean it will never happen,(oh,how easy it is to try and provide advice that you cannot actually take yourself)!

Thank-you for your rational advice. It sounds like the kind of advice my Mum would give me and seems like the words of a very strong and kind person.

As I explained to cakelaur above:I did try and talk to her yesterday and she sounded somewhat understanding,but I just didn’t feel supported as I normally would by her and definitely did not get the kind of response I had hoped for.Maybe I am feeling overly sensitive,but I wasn’t too reassured for some reason,which is really really unusual for me to feel-she’s normally the one I turn to for that reassurance. If she was busy at the time,she could always have text me later and said something kind,but maybe it’s because nothing has yet happened and she doesn’t want to make a big deal of it...?I’m so uncertain.

Thank-you again for your rationale and for the gentle reminder to try and stay kind as,like you said,it is not within anybody’s control.

Sending you a huge virtual hug and prayers for a healthy pregnancy and beautiful baby.❤️xx

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AN91 · 12/03/2018 14:04

@CLB540

I’m so sorry.You must be absolutely heartbroken right now.

I totally understand your feelings of selfishness,but please don’t be too hard on yourself. Your reaction is completely justified and very very normal. I am assuming this was a surprise for you and must be a big shock. You’re probably very raw at the moment. I hope things get better for you.

It does feel very unfair that some people use contraception, come off it and then go straight on to being pregnant when there are others who have been trying for ages and just not able to get anywhere. Have you considered having a chat with your Dr to see if there’s anything underlying they may be able to help with?

I know we feel as though we’ve been trying forever and it just will not happen,but my GP did tell me that,actually,a year is not a long length of time where TTC is concerned. Try not to despair.❤️

It is so easy to feel like a failure,but we have to keep reminding ourselves that,just as we would not feel like we were failures if we were unfortunate enough to suffer with cancer or any other kind of biological conditoon,we must not feel like failures for struggling to conceive. I know the feeling is overwhelming, but we cannot control our bodies to the extent we want to. It’s an unfortunate natural ‘luck-of-the draw’ thing.

Sometimes I get so enraged when i read abour parents who hurt/abuse/abandon their children because they had children,(sometimes multiple),and I- who would love and cherish them and is so desperate for them-don’t. I also find myself feeling unreasonably annoyed when people have children ‘accidentally’,(i.e.,the contraception failed,it was a drunken one night-stand and contraception wasn’t used, it was a ‘one-off’). I don’t understand why they do and I,despite my efforts,haven’t. I have to remind myself of my religious teachings and remember that I believe it is all already written,so cannot be controlled or changed; still feels rubbish,though!

I know exactly what you mean,but we are not bad people. We’re just very hurt, very disappointed and-for the most part-very desperate.

I hope you find a way to come to terms with this shock and are able to feel happy and excited as i am sure you want to.

I also hope you are blessed with good news very,very soon xx

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CLB540 · 14/03/2018 14:26

Thank you for your words of advice they truly helped when i felt no one understood.

We have just had the news that 100% of my husbands sperm is defected meaning that we will never concieve naturally. This is another blow in as many days and feel even further from sharing with family as i want this time to be all about them and thier special news but inside im broken

AN91 · 16/03/2018 19:25

@CLB540

Sorry for the delayed response. As I ‘wasn’t mentioned’ in your reply,I didn’t get an alert to say you had messaged.

I am so sorry about your news. It must be so hard for you to try and deal with this when your sister-in-laws recent news is so very different.

It may actually be a blessing in disguise that you have received the news now,when you both have chance to process it as a couple and talk it over with one another before talking to others about it. Maybe this delay will give you a chance to come to terms with things as best you can and really focus on yourselves and what you want to do about what you have just learned.

Sometimes when we talk to family members and friends,we can be so desperate for a ‘solution’ that we can get easily get confused about our own feelings/thoughts on said matter. This will probably allow you some much-needed ‘reflection’ time.

With something so private,you’ll probably want to talk to your husband and let him take the lead on if/when you tell people anything. I can’t imagine it’ll be an easy time for him. He may feel guilty, confused, shocked, even perhaps ‘emasculated’.It may be something you ultimately choose not to share and maybe allowing your husband to lead the way here might take some of the pressure off you?

It must be incredibly hard,but right now,I am sure your main focus will be your husband and trying to support him at this time. I don’t think the way in which fertility-related issues impact on men is spoken about or discussed enough,but I have no doubt they too struggle just like we would.I am sure he will need your support hugely right now,so just try to focus on him as much as you can.

I sincerely hope you find a way through this and,when you have had a chance to consider your options,find one that will be best suited to you.Natural conception is not the only way to be a parent. Please don’t think I am minimising anything you may be feeling-I can only imagine how devastated you must be right now-I just hope you can remain hopeful and that things work out for you in the end...

And whilst you’re working through it-Mumsnet users experiencing similar feelings are only the click of a button away xx

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