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Secondary Tokophobia

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SecondaryTokophobia · 01/10/2017 20:28

Dh and I have a DD, almost 7, and we want another child. Pre-ttc. I've started folic acid and had a smear, just waiting for the results the next technically we can start.

I've always be very scared of childbirth, ever since I was old enough to understand it. So when I became pregnant, almost 8 years ago the first thing I did was cry.

Not long into my pregnancy my midwife said I had to come off work on sickness. The reason given was non-specific anxiety. I was feeling angry in a way I never had before.

I couldn't plan very much, I chose a cd I liked to listen to for giving birth, packed a hospital bag, and buried my head in the sand. The only thing on my birthplan was no forceps. I just told myself women have done this for years, it's natural, it will all be fine.

Well it wasn't fine. It was horrible. The pain was unbearable. The tens machine was useless for me. The gas and air wouldn't work because I was screaming instead of breathing. The birthing pool was in use so I couldn't use it. The bath had just been used so they were cleaning it for me. I never got to use even the bath because someone offered pethidine and I took it in sheer desperation and everything went blank. I was just kind of comatose between contractions and then as the next one would build I could feel it and I would come to and scream. It took me about three cycles of this to get the two worlds "help me" out of my mouth to dh. But he couldn't help. No one could. No one could give me an epidural because no one was available - after 10hours it was offered but I was told baby was coming before it would work and because of the uncontrollable convulsions I was having when the contractions came it was dangerous.

Actually giving birth hurt, well 'stung', but I expected that part to hurt. I was kind of relieved when she was here, but the pain was so real even after. I was scared to use the toilet. I was scared she would be stolen. I was scared she would die - the euphoria I felt and the love I felt for her was so scary and overwhelming I decided I didn't deserve this happiness and something will take it away from me. To an extent I still have that fear and she is just about to turn 7.

Sometimes I wonder, did I have PND? Nothing was ever diagnosed.

The recovery was horrible. Painful. I didn't tear, I grazed. That sounds better than a tear, but it was quite terrible. I would cover everything down there with a cold flannel while I used the bathroom and that helped although I felt so ashamed and undignified. After I while someone suggested salt water baths and everything started to feel less sore after that - like I was healing.

I cried so much. I was afraid every time she cried because I had to put her back on the boob and the pain that would bring. Ashamed and a failure I gave up breastfeeding 5 weeks in and things got better. I started to see my baby and I did love her before but I started liking her too.

So after that things picked up I guess. You know, highs and lows and my mental health is never far from my mind. I have to take very good care of myself.

Dh and I decided we would stop at one child. But now we have both admitted we don't want to stop our family at one. We do want another baby, but are so so scared.

Well if you have read this far, thank you. Please talk to me. Share your experiences with me - try not to scare me, try to help me.

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JuniUmiZoomi · 01/10/2017 20:31

Hey OP, I'm in a similar place, although I am already pregnant. I had my booking in on Friday and it has basically ruined my weekend. I've been upset & crying all weekend. The midwife offered me some counselling so I will call this week and try to arrange some help. The Birth Trauma website can be helpful, I'm waiting to join their facebook group.

Pregnancy and talking about it has brought a lot of horrible memories hurtling back and I thought I'd be ok, but I'm not. Best of luck x

SecondaryTokophobia · 01/10/2017 20:33

Thank you for the reply and congratulations. Is this a first pregnancy or subsequent?

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meroe · 01/10/2017 21:04

I'm in a similar position (there are lots of us out there - you're not alone Smile ) and am 16 weeks pregnant. I found that both my GP and midwife were very helpful (I was diagnosed with PND first time round), and at my booking-in appointment, was referred to the perinatal mental health team. You can ask for this specifically, particularly if the midwife isn't on the ball (luckily mine was)
Nothing swings into action til after your 12 week scan, but it was comforting to know that it would. No one wants you to get PND, so they really should be trying to help you. How well do you get on with your GP? It might be worth having a pre-TTC chat with them as it would make them aware of your worries and they can tell you what services are available in your area. If you don't get on with your GP, can you get a new one? They need to be fighting your corner right now.
Also, your baby is a completely new person. I always tried to tell myself that very few people fall in love at first sight, and loving a baby is no different. It's completely ok for it to take time for a bond to form. I used all the breastfeeding services going (hospital, Health Visitor, baby cafe, NCT helpline) last time around, which helped me, but equally it's fine if you don't breastfeed - and it sounds like you made the absolute best decision for your daughter and yourself first time round.
I'm also asking for a cesarean (had one first time as my daughter was breech) as it will really help my mental state to know what is coming and when, and get the epidural up front. It's not an easy option - I couldn't get out of bed on my own for a week, and I took painkillers for 10 weeks, but I think mental health is more important than physical health, so I'm hoping it will help.
Good luck with everything, and do let the midwife and doctors know how you're feeling. Flowers

IndianaMoleWoman · 01/10/2017 22:10

You need to speak to your GP and find out what therapies are available in your area. It could be that something like CBT would be helpful before you start TTC, or it could be that there's a special antenatal mental health team/midwife that could help once you are pregnant.

I felt terrified after a bad first birth but I took each day of pregnancy at a time and avoided thinking about the birth altogether. I had very low expectations - my only goal was to get through it, and my mantra was "this WILL end." My second birth was actually worse - failed epidural again, but baby got stuck and ended up in theatre for episiotomy and forceps. All I can tell you is that it was all worth it. My second child is wonderful and I'm so pleased my first has a sibling. You can do it! Only you can decide if it's worth the potential risk to your mental health though. Whatever you decide, good luck Flowers

JuniUmiZoomi · 01/10/2017 22:23

hi, this is my third pregnancy, although I have one child. My first birth was like all the worst horror stories rolled into one, ending with emergency c-section, then my baby being taken away to NICU for hours with me left in recovery for 4 hours alone without a working call bell! Then a week on post natal for us both to have treatment and all sorts of other horrid things going on.
I am trying to take it one day at a time and will be seeing consultant to discuss birth 'options' (there is only one option for me! elective section). The midwife said no one would make me do anything I don't want to so focussing on that and we're all saving up in case it's a no & we have to go private (partner, me & parents).

BayLeaves · 01/10/2017 22:43

It's a tough one and I was in a similar boat before I had my second baby. My first birth sounds as painful as yours - including a long wait for an epidural. I did actually get mine in the end but ended up having horrible forceps delivery with badly stitched up episiotomy that got infected afterwards.

I was so worried about having the second baby I couldn't decide between the following three options:

  1. Elective C-section
  2. Hospital birth with a clear, early request for an epidural
  3. Home birth with birthing pool

In the end I took a chance and went for option 3 - home birth. I went all out - joined a home birth group on FB for stories and advice, bought a birthing pool, made relaxing playlists on YouTube, printed out positive affirmations to hang on the wall, listened to hypnobirthing CDs to try and get over my fear, etc.

In the end I managed to have my home birth with no complications. It was just as painful and still a fairly long labour, but I felt more calm and in control, and it wasn't as long as the first one. Best of all, I had no tearing or stitches and felt great the next day! Plus I felt... empowered (cringe, I know, but it's true).

Not saying you should have a home birth but just saying consider your whole range of options Smile

VJONES1985 · 02/10/2017 10:25

I would seriously recommend The Positive Birth Book by Milli Hill, it helped me see childbirth in a totally new light

SecondaryTokophobia · 04/10/2017 09:42

Just wanted to say thank you for the posts. I really appreciate it and it is giving me lots of food for thought.

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Rockandrollwithit · 04/10/2017 09:47

Hi OP I was in a similar position to you after having a really traumatic birth with DS1.

I had an elective section for DS2 four weeks ago. Best decision I've ever made, the whole thing was calm and I felt in control of what was happening to me. Would you consider a section? I didn't have any trouble getting one, I was already under the care of the perinatal mental health team for previous PND and had an assessment with them at the request of the consultant. Thankfully my hospital is very good at taking mental health seriously.

BertieBotts · 04/10/2017 09:53

Hi OP

I'm so sorry you have had such a traumatic experience. In the UK the NICE guidelines basically state that you can request a cesarean section for reasons of anxiety or previous trauma. If you need to, just keep quoting the NICE guidelines. Your midwife should refer you to perinatal counselling and then from there you can meet with a consultant. A planned section might be something you can feel in control of.

As well as this, you're entitled to a birth debrief at any time after giving birth and you can request this from your hospital, whether you're pregnant or not. It might take a while for them to find the records but they should still have them.

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