The Elderberry Pavlovas who will graduate (thread 12)

[CharmingCats]

Roll up, roll up for the best discussions of ewcm, opk, ic and double dying you'll ever have. Probably.

The smallprint - Berries have a strict entrance criteria (TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 3+months, NO instadiffers, must have a special pot) and def no mention of baby dust or baby dancing UGH !!! Ooh we are strict...please note your house may be at risk if you do not keep up repayments lol

[Tallyra]

Hugs to everyone that needs it. Which includes me. Watched romantic rom com with dh tonight - was hoping it would give us some lovely snuggle time but the bloody dog just got on my nerves more and more and now I'm just pissed off with everything and not even in bed early even though dh isn't on a late shift. I just want to scream and cry and I don't want to be so moody!!!!!

Anyway,
Tallyra, 33, ttc for ages, keep getting sick and then losing it. Hysteroscopy next week the back to trying again.

[Aquarius1]

I'm still here. Been trying to catch up with posts now and then but struggling to keep up. have resorted to distracting myself from ttc woes by keeping busy which means i've not got round to posting anything

Big up Boodle. Hello new people too.

Big congrats merks and thunder -about time! Hope it heralds the start of good tidings for the rest of us.

Nothing to report at all here. Feel glued to the CLOL. Having a difficult time getting dh to go to Gp for jizz test. He doesnt see the urgency. I don't know how many times I need to remind him that i cant get a laparoscopy (to see if I have endo) til we've been referred to the FC and we cant referred to the FC until he gets tested. and in the meantime i'll carry on rolling on the floor in agony with period pain every month. Ffs.

I'm also struggling with FB- soo many babies on it. Can't even face endless pics of my own nieces at the moment which is awful I know. So you've all outed yourselves to each other on FB? Can't work out if its better to share chat in a private setting or be anonymous in a public setting...hmmm....

Hope everyone's well.

[PuppyMummy]

congrats thunder

dont worry bunny I will be with u in here forever!

I can't join the special group as I am not on facebook!!

anyway just wanted to mark my place on new thread...

[Pipbin]

Well after ages it seems we have a load of BFPs.

So that's two, there has to be a third.

[BlindKitty]

Cats - don't go, sure we'll all get bored of it soon anyway x

[Boomgoestheweasel]

Morning

Still grumpy. Still no AF. Still got to write dissertation.

Someone slap me with a sausage and tell me to snap out of it would ya?

Hi aqua! Menfolk are irritating aren't they? Hope he gets his bum in gear for you soon. It's not that much of an ask, is it!?

charming the fb group is nice for putting names to faces and general chit chat but I think I prefer posting personal ttc stuff on here. So I won't be going anywhere because I have my negativity hat on and am never going to get pregnant so will be here long after you've all diffed and graduated hope you're feeling happier this morning x

tally was there a full moon last night? Boom dogs were annoying the crap out of me too! Sorry your rom-com snuggle didnt work out as planned x

Will someone add me to the list?

boom 31, month 15, mc last year, pcos, starting clomid next cycle if AF ever fricking turns up. Dangerously grumpy.

[happylass]

Bunny - 33, month 15 TTC, had basic tests, awaiting FC referral letter
Happy - 35 cycle 12. Last ditch attempt to get upduffed before taking a break in preparation for wedding next year. Also waiting for FC appt.
Tallyra, 33, ttc for ages, keep getting sick and then losing it. Hysteroscopy next week the back to trying again.

[happylass]

Gah x post. Sorry Boom. Can't be leaving off our poster girl for the Berries now can we . Try again.

Bunny - 33, month 15 TTC, had basic tests, awaiting FC referral letter
Happy - 35 cycle 12. Last ditch attempt to get upduffed before taking a break in preparation for wedding next year. Also waiting for FC appt.
Tallyra, 33, ttc for ages, keep getting sick and then losing it. Hysteroscopy next week the back to trying again.
boom 31, month 15, mc last year, pcos, starting clomid next cycle if AF ever fricking turns up. Dangerously grumpy.

[PuppyMummy]

We had our first proper FC app, was initial appt to get details and do amh blood test.

OH also had another sperm test, this one will help them decide if ivf or icsi will be best. Next appointment will be to decide what we want to do and then make a start.

This cycle were going to try just dtd every 2-3 days not ed or eod, she suggested that as u can do it to much (then u end up with immature sperm that cant fertilise an egg!)

still not excited but at least things hav properly got started!

[yorkiebilb]

Congratulations thunder really pleased for you and thank you for being so nice to me. Fx for a sticky to you and merk

Unfortunately I got some bad news yesterday. My fsh results came back and aren't good which shows diminished ovarian reserve (perimenopausal) and research done so far suggests I might not get accepted by many ivf clinics. I'm utterly devestated and have been up all night crying and fretting. My next fc appt isn't until 1 sep and I'm tearing my hair out over what to do in the meantime. I can't face going into work today either...

Sorry to bring crap to the thread when there was such good news yesterday. I tried posting on the infertility thread for advice but didnt get much response so not really sure where to go from here...

[Tallyra]

huge hugs yorkie. That's crap. Is it a similar thing to cherry? That doesn't make sense not to accept you for ivf, what's their reasoning?

[happylass]

Oh yorkie so sorry you've had bad news. Know next to nothing about this diagnosis but didn't want to read and run . Tally I thought of Cherry too. She might know more about this that's anyone. Hope you have a better day today and soon get some answers. Sending big hugs.

[yorkiebilb]

Thanks tally I was dipping in and out of the thread so not sure what cherry was diagnosed with.

Fc clinics want you have fsh results of less than 10 as anything over suggests low reserve and therefore poor response to ivf stimulation. This all affects their stats.

[cherrycoconut]

Hey Yorkie that sucks big stylee, massive hugs to you, I know what a gut wrencher that news is. What was your FSH if you don't mind me asking?

Please don't panic yet -FSH haywires up and down in perimeno and one high is not enough to write you off just yet. Even if it's diminished ovarian reserve you have hope with IVF. As my consultant said to us - it only takes one egg so don't give up hope. You need two or three blood tests, each 6 weeks apart to give a clear indication of exactly where you're at, plus your AMH.

Unfortunately for me my results show I've actually had - and missed - my meno which came as a bit of a shock. Diagnosis Premature Ovarian Failure POF age 33. I was floored quite frankly! My FSH is consistently plus 100 though, LH plus 50, AMH 0.6. So pretty bad.

The reason IVF won't work with a consistently high FSH is because that's the very drug they use to stimulate the egg production. If your body isn't responding to your own then it ain't gonna respond to the stuff they give you either.

The good news is you have info, you still have a uterus and you could still carry a child. With POF there is still a 5% chance of natural pregnancy due to spontaneous ovulation and a high chance using DE for IVF. This is where we're at now. miraculously it's free on the NHS for us. First apt in three weeks time!

There is A LOT to get your head around, shit I've talked the ear holes off poor Mr Coconut. PM me if you want to chat. I was DEVASTATED by the news - started going through this in March - but am slowly moving into acceptance and a more positive frame of mind.

Take some time, be good to yourself. I don't think you can underestimate how much this will cut you to the quick. For me there's been a grieving process, for my body and for my unborn child I'll never have. It's big stuff. You have a right to feel knocked sideways and crap, cry all you can and let it out. I'm thinking of ya buddy.

[cherrycoconut]

Yorkie there's an interesting thread on FF here about those going through IVF with high FSH, low AMH.

LikenInsaid, please please don't give up hope. We're all here for you

[cherrycoconut]

Would help if I included the link www.fertilityfriends.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=284141.0

[Bunnygirlie]

Morning!

Hugs tally feeling better today?

aquarius your DH needs a kick up the arse! All he has to do is jizz in a cup, it's not like you are asking him to be poked and prodded etc grrrrrrrr at Mr Aqua

I know what you mean about FB, I have at least 3 FB friends who are due any day now ( along with that bloody royal baby ) and I know I will have to hide the pics and updates and then I feel bad for being so heartless, but it's self preservation innit! 

Stand there boom WHACK!

Oh yorkie hugs! I hope things aren't as bleak as they seem right now x

4th day of taking drugs for period pain, mother nature really is punishing me this month as I'm sure I only usually get 1 day grrrrr 

[Boomgoestheweasel]

Oh Yorkie so sorry to hear that , must be such a shock. Hope Cherry's good advice has helped somewhat, and that there's still hope for you - sounds like more investigations are needed. Has anyone discussed these results with you or have you just phoned up for them? Can you call the clinic and ask for an earlier appointment in view of the results? No matter when your appointment is, you're entitled to ask the doctor you're under at the clinic to call you to discuss your results. Sending you massive hugs x

Puppy glad things are under way!

Happy Poster girl

Feeling a bit ashamed of myself for being so grumpy when others have got so much more on their plates than me. Thanks for the sausage wang bunny! Have taken boomdogs for a walk in the sunshine this morning before starting the final push of dissertation, they've been very good and I feel cheerier now. Also DH reminded me that last night I woke up at 4am screaming 'ARGH there's a spider!', jumped out of bed naked and switched the light on...there was no spider

[SidneyBristow]

Aquarius is your husband secretly terrified he'll have a low count? Surely it's not just apathy causing him to hold up your medical care?? If he absolutely won't go, can you not explain that to your GP & have them proceed with the tests anyway? Endo problems need fixing whether they're hampering TTC or not, right?

Puppy sounds like things are full speed ahead!

Boom wishing you a huge burst of motivation to get that dissertation done, just think once it's over, it's over! Now get out of here and finish it, missus!!

Yorkie massive hugs, that had to be a huge shock to your system and staying home today is definitely in order. Sept 1 seems ages away but in the meantime there's nothing to lose by calling to ask to discuss results, right? Please don't lose hope - the consultant will be able to tell you exactly where you stand and what your options are, and like Cherry said, there is plenty of support and lines of treatment to help you along. We're always here for you! If it helps, just over the weekend I spent time with a relative of my BIL's. She & her DH had to undergo IVF of some type - she had minimal eggs of less than ideal quality; he had compromised sperm of less than ideal quality - and their little boy is now 6 mos old.

Bunny hope your period pains subside soon!

Right gotta run, supposed to be packing today and the house is a shambles so a massive clean-up is in order before we can pack anything. Why is it so hot!!!!!!

[CatsCantFlyFast]

Apologies if I multiple post, tough to remember it all on the app...
Yorkie you poor thing. I guess I can only echo what Cherry said that knowledge is power and everything you do now will be a very positive step towards getting pregnant because it will be very tailored to your situation (rather than blindly trying iyswim). Take care of yourself and feel free to moan and cry on here all you want x

[SidneyBristow]

Oops the list:

Bunny - 33, month 15 TTC, had basic tests, awaiting FC referral letter
Happy - 35 cycle 12. Last ditch attempt to get upduffed before taking a break in preparation for wedding next year. Also waiting for FC appt.
Tallyra, 33, ttc for ages, keep getting sick and then losing it. Hysteroscopy next week the back to trying again.
boom 31, month 15, mc last year, pcos, starting clomid next cycle if AF ever fricking turns up. Dangerously grumpy.
Sidney - 38, Lucky Cycle 13 TTC, all tests normal, awaiting FC referral letter

[CatsCantFlyFast]

Boom are you not now officially late??
Puppy what is icsi? Also I am at what your FC said about sperm as that's based on old research, the newest research suggests ED sex results in less sperm with chromosome abnormalities and the decrease in sperm count that results is negligible in the scheme of things and that the sperm are mature enough to fertilise an egg perfectly successfully. I'm getting angry at a this crap here say advice, didn't somebody else's clinic poo poo them about having a short LP??

[Boomgoestheweasel]

Merk I'm not late, I'm just waiting for a progesterone withdrawal bleed which could be any time between today and next Saturday. If it doesn't happen by then it's an indication that something else is out of whack too...but fingers crossed it won't come to that. No chance of a BFP here this month though I'm afraid, before you all start circling!

Btw icsi is intra-cytoplasmic sperm injection. It's where they give the sperm a hand breaking into the egg in ivf spot who had a lecture on this a few months ago

Couldn't agree more, the advice the doctors give is out of date and based on dodgy evidence. Every single one of them I've met so far is talking out of a hole not intended for conversation.

[Aquarius1]

Thanks all for moral support. Sid - I could push on and get a lap without waiting for referral to FC but there's other stuff that needs checking at the FC so was told would best to get FC to do the lap.

Yorkie I'm so sorry about your disappointing news. hope you're taking care of yourself today and hope Cherry's and everyone else's words have given you some comfort and encouragement. What a great bunch of berries.

Bunny four days of painkillers?? Man that's rubbish- hope it goes away soon.

[yorkiebilb]

Thanks very much all for being so lovely. I don't feel I can talk to my bf about it as she is currently pregnant so I really appreciate you offering me support and advice. Sobbed on the phone to my mum this morning though!

Thanks so much cherry for offering advice when you are going through so much yourself. My fsh level came back as 12 and I know that anything over 10 isn't good. I have been having night sweats on and off for a year and a bit so it has crossed my mind but I thought it might be my anxiety. I'm also worrying about my age (35) with these results. Thank you for providing the link to a thread about it. There doesn't seem to be much on mn about high fsh levels so a link to others chatting about it will definitely help. I know that there are options but it has all come as a big shock and I'm currently in panic mode.

I spoke to the hospital about trying to get an earlier appointment but there were none available and the consultant wouldn't talk to me until my apt in Sep which is very frustrating. I did ring some of the nhs clinics that fall under my area to ask their advice, some said upper limit was 15 and another said that it should be less than 12 and that I need to be referred asap. She also told me to try and get my gp to repeat the day 2/3 tests as fsh levels fluctuate from month to month. I'm going to ring my gp and try and get them to arrange another test for next month particularly as they mucked up my first set of results.