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Lap and Dye

23 replies

CHOCOLATEPEANUT · 30/05/2006 22:31

I am going in for one on Thursday. Investigating secondary infertilty.

I had one in 1995 and cant remember much about it.Lots has happened since then.Have dd 2.5 and lost daugher last year stillborn at 25 weeks

Does anyone know if it takes long to recover and do you get results there and then?

thanks

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Piffle · 30/05/2006 22:35

Yes they can tell you if your tube is clear or not after the op, you will be sore and tetchy, some people take longer to revoer from Ga's than others, I say for GA it feels a bit like having been in a fight so allow a few days, for me the effects of a GA were worse than the incision
BTW I've not had L+D but everything else :) I know loads who have had L+D though
Good luck hope it goes ok for you and you get good news xx

CHOCOLATEPEANUT · 30/05/2006 22:38

Thanks Piffle.Waiting for dh's sperm results too so fingers (but not legs) crossed all round

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Moomin · 30/05/2006 22:39

I had one for the same reason as you. I'd make sure you've got someone with you when your consultant does the rounds as you may well be quite groggy from the op and you may not take in everything s/he says. They will visit you in the afternoon if your op is in the morning and tell you what they found (if anything) and probably where you go from there. If your can't get dh or friend/mum etc, ask a nurse to listen in and take note of what is said.

I was quite sore and actually got an infection so my recovery lasted longer than it should have. Most people say about 3-5 days to feel ok again if no complications. Good luck with that and ttc. XX

CHOCOLATEPEANUT · 30/05/2006 22:42

How did you go on with yours Moomin? Sorry to be nosey Blush

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Moomin · 30/05/2006 22:52

no problem - you're not being nosey anyway!
they found some mild endometriosis, but not enough to indicate that was causing our failure to conceive (it was round the back of my uterus, not affecting tubes or ovaries at all).

so next stage was clomid, even though i was ovulating - it was to kind of give an extra boost to my chances. unfortunately i reacted badly to that and it gave me blood filled cysts on my ovaries! so i stopped taking it after 3 months. we then decided to go for assisted conception and booked in to see our consultant as private patients for iui initially then ivf. well that was the plan - 10 days before our 1st appt i found out i was pg and dd2 is now nearly 8m old Grin.

i put my failure to conceive down to stress mostly - i was getting myself in a right state. I had the lap&dye 15m after starting to ttc, in the may, took clomid in the august and got pregnant in the jan. I really hope it works out for you. very sorry to hear about your 2nd daughter. How long you been ttc for no2 overall?

Moomin · 30/05/2006 22:56

btw i'm off to bed - not ignoring you if you reply tonight! will catch up next time i'm on. x

3catstoo · 31/05/2006 17:26

Sorry to but in. Does lap mean laperoscopy?

I'm due to have one after I've had a scan to rule out fibroids. Scan is next Thursday. Gyny thinks it's endometriosis. What does a laperoscopy entail?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 31/05/2006 17:44

3catstoo,

Lap does mean laparoscopy. Its the operation usually done to see if endometriosis is present.

You are given a general anaesthetic for this procedure which takes around 30 minutes or so, you may be under for longer than that.

Not sure how much about this op you actually want to know but the following gives some detail (a bit graphic) of what happens:-

First of all, a small needle like device is passed through your abdominal wall just below your naval. Carbon dioxide gas is pumped through this to push your coils of bowel away and to inflate the cavity. This helps expose your womb and ovaries as much as possible.

Two small punctures are then made in your abdominal wall:
one just below the naval; this is where the laparoscope (magnifying viewing device) is inserted.
one just above your pubic bone, through which other instruments (such as a probe, hooked scissors etc) are passed as needed.

When the surgeon is satisfied that he has fully inspected your pelvic and abdominal cavities, he will remove the instruments. expel as much CO2 gas as possible from the cavity and close the two small puncture wounds with a stitch or staple. Sometimes the stitch dissolves on its own. Otherwise the stitch or staple is removed a few days later by your surgeon.

You may well get some discomfort post op. This is due to the gas pumped into your abdomen to inflate it and often feels as if the pain is shooting up into your shoulder. Painkillers take the edge off it (my such pain was particularly noticeable the day after surgery).

I was advised to take 2 days off work post op to recover. You can resume sex as soon as you feel comfortable unless told otherwise.

Important
The first thing you need to do when you have recovered from the op is to ask your surgeon exactly what was found and what was done:-
Some questions to ask
Were your ovaries and fallopian tubes healthy?
Did you have an ovarian endometrioma?
Did you have many adhesions?
Was your bowel or bladder involved in the disease? (endo can get there as well)
What further treatment is recommended

To this list add any questions you may have

You should be ideally seen a few days post op so that the above can be properly discussed with the surgeon. Find out when you will be followed up when admitted. It is little point being talked to when you're still coming round!!.

I wish you luck with your lap, mine went well when it was done and lots of endometriosis got lasered out. Would say that the fear of same was far worse than the reality - the worst bit for me was the pain caused by the gas post op).

CHOCOLATEPEANUT · 31/05/2006 20:17

I had 2nd daughter last april, got the post mortem results in may (all clear) and started ttc straight away. Kinda thought i would get pg straight away as i did 1st month with both daughters.

best case scenerio for me tomorrow is that they find something fixable and not nothng at all as i need a reason for the infertilty as i dont want to take chlomid or even consider ivf as i just could not cope.im kinda hanging on to a last strand of hope

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mancmum · 31/05/2006 20:34

I had one years ago and recovered very fast had a slight pain in shoulder which is common as a side effect... there is an increase in fertility which can happen after if the tubes are very slightly stuck together, the procedure can free it -- not sure by how much but my friend conceived 2 weeks after her, having tried for 3.5 years to get pregnant! Her doc had said her tubes were clear but I think this must show that there was something there... good luck... I know how secondary infertility feels and to have lost your DD must have been hell...

CHOCOLATEPEANUT · 31/05/2006 21:02

Thanks x off to bed as got to be in hosp at 7.30am

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Moomin · 31/05/2006 22:39

well you've gone now but i wish you all the best for tomorrow. secondary infertility sucks, it really does. i know what you mean about hoping there will be something wrong so you can get it 'fixed', but endo isn't a walk in the park and there's no guarantee you'll be free to conceive when it's been zapped anyway. It sounds like maybe you can conceive ok - or will be able to at least - but perhaps you've been a bit hard on yourself since your daughter died, chocolatepeanut. your body went through a hell of a lot and sometimes not conceiving with no good reason can be your body's way of saying it's not ready yet. I absolutely believe my infertility was mostly stress-induced. It let me get pregnant when i was ready.

but i don't mean to sound crass to those people still desperately trying. iknow it's easy for me to say now i've got my 2nd baby. there's no easy answer. i just think your body is more tuned into your emotions than you think sometimes....

Jodee · 31/05/2006 22:58

wishing you all the best for tomorrow CP, let us know how it goes.

I had "unexplained infertility", I had a lap & dye in 1999 after we had been trying for 2 years, had all the tests, no problems with DH, and after l&d they found nothing, tubes were clear but consultant said the tubes had had a good "chimney sweep" - his exact words. 2 cycles later I was pregnant, which went to term and produced ds. Did the l&d help? - who knows for sure, but it was pretty coincidental. Maybe I was more relaxed afterwards, I don't know.

Going through it all again now though, 4 years of trying for no. 2 but this time I'm not ovulating, sigh.

Fingers crossed for you. xx

3catstoo · 01/06/2006 13:16

Thanks Attilathemeerkat. That was exactly what I wanted to know as it happens - the details, so I know what to expect.

Good Luck Chocolatepeanut.

Again, sorry for crashing.

CHOCOLATEPEANUT · 02/06/2006 02:52

Cant sleep. Went in at 7.30am and was home and in bed sleeping by 1.00 (hence why cant sleep now)

Everything went well. Doc said everything 'perfect' inside no probs at all. He could see I had just ovulated which i knew and said no reason why should not be pregnant v soon.Husbands sperm ok too. His relief was visable!

Doc said that sometimes a general 'flush out' is all it needs and the next time he hears fromme he expects me to be requesting an early scan. Said v reluctant to give me chlomid at this stage as I concieved both daughters in first month and this suggests I am very fertile and chlomid could possibly bring about twins (or more)However made appointment for me in Nov and said if still not pg we can discuss chlomid then.

He added that the stress oflast year COULD have an affect but said i was more relaxed of late (kinda thinking well its never going to happen, so get on with life) and he said well that should help too

On the recovery note. Feel tender in the abdomen but haveing had a c section previously its very bearable. I did have pain immediatley aftrewards like after pains after giving birth and they said its because i have had two children and gave me some extra pain relief. I was still home long before other ladies and just v tired. Woke up at 1am with pain in shoulders whichis the trapped gas I was warned about so took tabs that was due and now back to bed.
Thanks for all your concern,it really is appreciated

xxx

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Jodee · 02/06/2006 08:35

Hope you are sleeping now, CP. Give it a couple of days and the pain should subside. I hope the 'flush out' is all that was needed for you, as I'm convinced that's what worked for me. xx

Rachee · 03/06/2006 22:52

had my lap and dye yesterday... god was i sick when i came round, and bely button still bleeding today and very bruised. shoulder pains not that bad and shallower breathing required as getting stitch from the gas. but all my period ish pains have gone!!! so bonus
xXx

CHOCOLATEPEANUT · 03/06/2006 23:57

I am feeling ok ish but really windy Blush

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Rachee · 04/06/2006 15:30

apart from belly button bing very sore, i am feeling fine, very normal. Had a lovely shower today.... yum...

Rachee · 13/06/2006 09:41

did any-one have there cycle messed up after lap ???? i am now on cd30, which is mega unusual for me ( never happened before) !!

xXx

Rachee · 16/06/2006 23:24

now on day 33, anyone else had messed up system ????

xXx

coggy · 17/06/2006 07:58

D'you know...I can't remember. I didn't take any notice of my cycle etc. then. Despite ttc for many years, nobody told me I had to...just kept taking the drugs!

I was amazed when I did my own investigating this time around and discovered EWCM, Luteal Phase Defect, OPK, implanataion bleeds etc. etc.

I wonder how many other women are blindly ttc like we were!

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wishing BFPs to you all xxx Babydust to you all.

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