Thermal shift- can ovulation occur with out it?

[GingerbreadLatte]

Hi
Been charting my cycle the first time this month after a few cycles of no TTC success. I'm wondering if I'd identified that Im not actually ovulating?

So I have 31 day cycle, usually ovulating (or thought I was) around CD 17/18.

Had good deal of EWCM with peak on Sunday on CD 17. EWCm really tailed off yesterday and is gone today totally. Suggesting ovulation was sunday or monday.

Had slight temp rise yesterday but its back down again today. Does this mean the cycle will be anovulatory?

Though I've got PCOS, since I've been on metfomin, my cycles have been pretty regular with a very set 14day luteal phase from peak of EWCM to AF. I didnt think it would so rigid if I wasnt ovulating.

I conceived DD first month 3yrs ago...so something works!

can anyone help?

I'm not very knowledgeable in this area, but I just wanted to say that this happened to me last month, and my ovulation was for some reason delayed by a week - usually CD18, but was CD28 instead - so it doesn't necessarily mean it will be anovulatory.

Thanks- anyone else got a view?

Is it on fertility friend? Could you add the link?
I found the first few cycles my charts weren't too precise. I got more pedantic at charting at the same times each day etc and saw clearer patterns. It could be annoviulatory - no need to panic, most women have a couple a year. You need to see the pattern over the whole cycle. It's easy to get hung up over temp dips here and there but try not to worry. You may see a big temp rise over the next couple of days. Today could just be an ovulation dip.
You might find it helpful to join the Charters Anonymous thread for support.

Hi

Thanks- Here it is

I have been a bit lax in doing it at the same time each day i admit. Always AM but weekends its a bit later.

:)

Hmm It's not conclusive yet. Have you tried taking out the Sunday temp? It may just be that you've not ovulated yet....time will tell!
I would say being consistent on the weekends definitely made my charts clearer. Once I set a clock oops accidentally wrote cock thenfor the same time each day my charting made more sense. Hath.

Oops should be -oops just wrote cock then-- and hth, stooped iPad autocorrect.

thanks I will set myself a clock... though an alarm cock might be more interesting

Reason I think its past the point is the EWCM has dried up... I guess I will keep going... we have had this month of TTC for various reasons. Its much easier to be relaxed about the chart now I have to say!

Not sure what the rules are on EWCM..

I think PCOS is famous for producing insanely unpredictable temp patterns in charts. I have PCOS and my 6 months of charting produced nothing readable at all (and I was very pedantic about doing it properly as well).

Gingerbread

Charting is not adviseable to do if PCOS is an issue as temp charting can show very wide ranges of temp fluctuations. It could end up stressing you out and confusing you no end if you're staring at a chart akin to the Rocky Mountains.

Ovulation is not an exact science and it can occur earlier, later or not at all in any given cycle. You cannot assume that you are therefore ovulating around 2 weeks before the start of your next period.

Also you can get a rise in temp in the second half of the cycle when an egg has not been shed so charting is not completely infalliable.

Who prescribed the Metformin to you btw?.

confess due to recent stress I did not pay full attention to the op

Thanks Attila

I 've assumed that Im ovulating 2wks before my next period based on the peak of EWCM. This has been the same throughout my cycles, some of which have been very long. ie it could go months in the past, Id get the peak EWCM and then AF 14days later. That seems to be my pattern.. if I can have one with PCOS! It worked with my DD conception...

I cant seem to find any kind of view on the value of spotting the EWCM in a cycle...

Metformin was prescribed by a gynaecologist and was not without a lot of debate.

thanks for your help

Fertility friend says you can't determine anything on just one symptom - to get properly accurate charts they suggest temping and monitoring CM. However, if temping doesn't seem to work for you, maybe you could try another fertility sign?

Also, with regards to temping - it should be the very first thing you do every morning. Don't even sit up in bed if you can manage it :) I find I get more consistent readings if I temp vaginally rather than orally too. You could try that next cycle maybe.

Thanks Stasi

Today showed a shift to 37.2 so I guess time will tell. I will observe with caution now understanding the PCOS issues.