Clearblue Fertility Monitor Support Group Buddies Vol 5!!

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Ladies from Vol4 - welcome to our new home.

Don't worry Knackered, I've got your back covered with my flamethrower should the need arise

LoL Thanks Arabella

Hello ladies, hope you dont mind me joining you again?

Have been off the conception threads for a couple of months but started trying again this month.

Good to see some recent graduates on here - stormbird i recognise and just want to say congrats to you all :)

Well im starting the 2ww tomorrow i think (it could be today so ill wait and see what ff says) I got my first peak on cd13 two days ago which is the earliest i have ever got one but didnt get a positive opk till yesterday and have a feeling it was yesterday for actual ov too. One good thing about not trying for a little while is no 2ww i hated those!

Well ill put my stats on here but wont add them - could someone do that for me at all? I mess them up usually so wont attempt to do it.

Rosieposey TTC#5, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 6, age 38, UCL 29-35, CD15

hey knackered cow too tired and lazy to write a great deal more about it but your last post about herbals etc was fantastic thanks for taking the time to explain that all

having bleated on to everyone i know about the benefits of zinc and vitamins in fighting off winter colds i feel absolutely bloody lousy today! sitting at my desk with sore throat, bit of a headache, and feeling generally exhausted.

well i am pretty sure i am having an anovulatory cycle....so i counted day 2 of early miscarriage as day 1 of new cycle (helpfully this being december 1st). monitor went high on day 12 and i have had cramping now from day 13. it is day 16 and still no peak. anyone got any idea what this could be? i had quite a lot of random mid-cycle pains a few months ago after the D&C and my GP had a poke around and did some swabs and there was nothing overtly wrong. but at the back of mind there is a niggle that there IS something wrong, especially with the early MC.....any thoughts?

Hi Ilovekitty, First of all I'm very sorry about what happened when you were pregnant before. I think that early miscarriage is very very common, and whilst it's highly upsetting it usually the case that you'll go on to have a healthy pregnancy. I think it's only if someone repeatedly miscarried early that it starts to become likely that something is wrong. You can look up information on that on various sites.

It's good that your gp was able to reassure you when you saw him, isn't it?
Does it take a while for your body to return to normal post-mc? If so, try not to worry too much about ovulation etc this first month as it's early days.

The CBFM booklet actually says it's not something to worry about if you don't get a peak, unless it's a repeated occurrence. Check it yourself to see.

Are you more concerned than you need to be just now? This would be understandable given what you've had to deal with.

arabella what happened is that i had a baby with a trisomy back in august and had a termination at 14 weeks by D&C. after that i had a lot of pain etc and cycle not returning to normal and my GP (she - why does everyone assume a doctor will be male?!) said everything seemed fine.

we started trying again in november, i literally found out i was pregnant on the saturday and miscarried on the tuesday; to be honest that 3 day pregnancy caused me very little sadness after what we had already been through deciding to terminate, but just frustrating and im worried that the D&C caused some kind of issue; maybe it IS me being paranoid,things just do not feel right to me. GP thought the MC was just one of those things but to be honest they all say that until you have 3 miscarriages and qualify for referral to an appropriate specialist and a laparoscopy (which is the only way of detecting the type of issues caused by surgery).

sorry...im venting; just very pissed off at the moment. every time i go on facebook someone else has just given birth to a perfect baby or announced their healthy pregnancy and im just finding it very very hard.

Aah, I see. Well why don't you ask for a gynae referral (or would it be obstetrics?) to discuss what the possible complications of a D&C could be and see if any more detailed checks can be done if necessary? That way you won't have to spend ages wondering and worrying? I mean do you know for sure that another less invasive investigation can't be of use, like ultrasound, without going straight to laparoscopy? If you're particularly worried and talk to your gp about this they may well refer you at your request even if you don't strictly meet the referral criteria.

Wasn't trying to suggest paranoia you know, just to reassure you. Because early miscarriages genuinely don't often mean a serious problem, I mean in my own circle of friends and family alone I know several women (all mothers) who've had miscarriages. Am not trying to poo-poo your fears

And ilovekitty, its perfectly understandable to be pissed off/angry. There's no need to say sorry.

thanks arabella....i think im just a bit all over the place. if its scar tissue it cant be picked up with ultrasound (thats the most likely complication that could cause MC)...

to be honest (and im sorry if this sounds callous or insensitive to all the ladies that struggle to even get to the miscarriage stage...), i do conceive easily so what i am going to do is perhaps see what happens when i finally do ovulate and if i have another early MC i will be straight down to the GP asking for investigation!

why cant this be easy and fun like it was for our mothers?!

Ilovekitty, you need some sort of treat. You should arrange something nice for yourself to try to take your mind off things. You deserve it. Its just not fair.

I have my fingers crossed that all goes well for you soon.

thanks for that arabella, thats very sweet....i know what you mean though. i shouldnt be so negative though i need to be a fighter, ALWAYS!, people have to live with all sorts of hardship (but to be honest i did kind of feel that living with type 1 diabetes, a recurrent anxiety problem , and a career as a chartered accountant that i had my share of shite before all this baby stuff went wrong!!! )

heres a big shout out to everyone else who is sitting at their desk counting down the moments til they can go home...and possibly break out the wine?!

Wine, yuuummmmyyy!!!

im glad you agree....hubby is starting to think we should basically not be drinking when trying to conceive (i disagree, my argument lies in 'moderation' - a skill i have yet to demonstrate when it comes to wine!)

...dont know about anyone else but the prospect of another unfortunate 6 months without even a glass of wine to console me is rather too much to bare!

I agree that alcohol in moderation isn't going to do any harm. Look how many pregnancies are unplanned while people are happily carrying with their moderate drinking habits. 9 months (almost)without alcohol is quite sufficient thank you very much!

Hi Ladies

Stats for today, including RosiePosey. Welcome Back! Nice to see you again

In School
AnytimeNOW TTC#3, Cycle #6, CBFM Cycle 5, age 38, UCL 28, CD52
Michelle2222 TTC#2, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL?, CD49
Birdietimesthree TTC#1, Cycle #3, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 24-25, CD42
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy TTC#3 Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 4, age 34, UCL 26-30 CD42
Ses TTC#2, cycle #5, CBFM cycle #7, age 37, UCL 28-30, CD39
Missyraines TTC#1, Cycle #13, CBFM Cycle 8, age 33, UCL 32, CD34
Sufferingbabyfever TTC#1, Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL 28 , CD33
wantbaby TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM cycle 6, age 38, UCL 30, CD29
CrazyAlien TTCno.1 cycle 5 CBFM Cycle 2 age 28 UCL 31-35??! CD27
Lychees TTC#2, Cycle #14, CBFM cycle 10, Aged 36, UCL 30-35, CD25
Twowoulddo TTC#2, Cycle #6, CBFM cycle 1?, Aged 31, UCL 31, CD24
Keziah TTC#1, Cycle #28, CBFM Cycle 16, age 35, ucl 28-31, CD21
ZebedeetheZebra TTC#2, age 43, UCL TMI!, CD20
PinkCustard TTC#2, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 7, age 34, UCL 30-32, CD19
KnackeredCow TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM Cycle 4, age 31, UCL 28, CD18
IloveKittyElise TTC#1, Cycle 2, CBFM Cycle 2, age 34, UCL 28, CD16
Rosieposey TTC#5, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 6, age 38, UCL 29-35, CD16
Fr00tbat TTC#1, Cycle 6, CBFM Cycle 2, age 32, UCL 30-38 (av 34), CD15
Boba82 TTC#1 Cycle 19, CBFM cycle 6, age 28, UCL 30 (FX), CD14
Roastie TTC#1, Cycle #23, CBFM Cycle 1, age 32, UCL 29, CD11

The Dog Ate My Homework
EmmaC29 TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM Cycle 1, age 29, UCL 26-29, CD69
Starlet22 TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM cycle 9, age 34, ucl 25, CD61
Littlefan TTC#1, Cycle 9, CBFM cycle 2 , age 31, UCL 32-38, CD54

Graduates
Emmylou30 BFP 22/10/10
MissLolita BFP 30/10/20
Notnearly BFP 6/11/10
StormBird BFP 10/11/10

Kitty I'm goingto have some wine tonight. And I'm on the 2ww - past caring now. Sounds awful....

With respect to the trisomy, which chromosome was it? Have you been referred for genetic counselling? Where I live there's a good genetics service and women can be referred for screening with respect to the risks for future pregnancies. Maybe something like that might reassure you?

My best friend had a DS nearly two years ago and he has a very rare genetic condition caused by a gene mutation. It can be spontaneous (ie mutation occurs during the development of an egg or sperm) or inherited meaning the parents would be carriers. After he was diagnosed when he was 4 months old they took a sample of his blood to locate the mutation. Once they had this, they then tested her blood and her DH's blood to establish if they were carriers. Fortunatly, they aren't. However, they were referred for counselling with respect to the risk of having another affected child when they decided to try for number 2. She found the counselling really useful as it clarified the exact risks of being affected again. In their case, they were told their chance of having another child with the condition was no more than any other couple and that was very reassuring for her. She's expecting number 2 in February and all the scans have been normal

Please try not to worry too much. 50 - 60% of conceptions miscarry very early without the woman even knowing she was pregnant. You've just been unlucky and I am sure nothing untoward has happened due to the D&C. Perhaps it might be a good idea for you to try to avoid early testing in your circumstances (If you can). Don't want to patronise. I'd ignore that advice and test anyway, but I am just too impatient!

knackered cow - i generally prefer not to share this because i feel like i will be judged because it was 'only downs' but it was T21 - downs, and she wasnt doing well. I had opted not to have a nuchal scan because i always felt that i would never have a termination if it was downs (we actually all thought it was going to be a 'not compatible with life' condition as our chance of downs was only 1 in 5 and it as obvious from nuchal and lack of nasal bone that something was very wrong)...anyhow, things changed and we just didnt want to bring that little girl into the world and live with constant health problems and prejudices; and the fact that i have type 1 diabetes and a child with downs is more likely to get type 1 meant that her chances of having that would be pretty bad...

im sorry if this upsets anyone; i know many of you have been trying forever and would make a very different choice to me. i dont think i would make the same choice again; not because i think i did the wrong thing, but somehow things can happen once by accident, but twice it is more a destiny thing to my mind (genetics tests showed the T21 in our baby was non hereditary but lightening can strike twice cant it?)

next time im not testing... trouble is, both times i have known within days of conception; the main thing is actually the diabetes, my hormones go wild and it affects my insulin requirements pratically the moment i conceive so its bloody obvious!

i know what we have experienced so far is probably just pure bad luck, but you know how it gets when you have a lot of bad things happen in quick succession, the 'normal' pattern becomes the abnormal one and you get to this mindset that you'd actually be more surprised if something went right....

poor you in that 2 week wait it sucks; dont feel guilty about carrying on as normal, its easier said than done but putting life on hold puts even more pressure on...

Thanks for the welcome knackered :) Ive missed you all!

So sorry to read about your pg that ended at 14 weeks kitty i left these threads for a couple of months because i had a couple of chemical pregnancys (early ms) and i was really disheartened. Im definately not going to test (unless i get some really full on symptoms) until the day after AF is due from now on - ive even made sure that there are no htp's in the house.

By charting too i can tell exactly when AF is coming as every morning my temp has dropped i go to the loo, wipe and there she is. I can really understand your mindset about thinking that something will go wrong almost automatically if you do find that you are pg but statistically it might but there again it might not. I had a horrid ms at 11.5 weeks 2.5 years ago and that really made me wary but 8 months later i was pg again and have lovely ds now so i guess it really does go to show that not every pg is the same. BTW i get the same with my BG levels as im a type 2 - they go nuts really quickly - are you on a higher dose of Folic Acid? I expect so - FWIW i tested in my second pg and got a really high chance of having downs with DD2 luckily it was ok for me but like you i wouldnt (and havent) had any tests again (have had two children since).

kitty i think you made the best choice for you, and i hope, like for all of us that the need for making such a devastating choice never arises again xx

Kitty It is a very personal choice and nobody should judge you. If I was in your position I would have made the same difficult decision. Type 1 diabetes as a co-morbidity to Down's could be very serious indeed.

Understand about your diabetes. One of DH's close friends is a Type 1 diabetic and in both her pregnancies she's been really quite unwell and control has been poor.

I really feel for you. You're having such a hard time of it at the moment.

Welcome back Rosie.

We are not here to judge Kitty. We are here to support and lend an ear.

Welcome back Rosie

Kitty - echo what KC posted above. I have 2 autoimmune conditions and got referred to an obstetrician to look at managing my health in pregnancy (am not pg, but it reassured me) and although I may have to take lots of meds and potentially spend more time in hospital than I would wish to (but again I may not at all) at least I know that.

Enjoy that wine KC. Am in 2ww also, but apart from enjoying no baby making sex, am just going to carry on as normal!!

Thanks ladies for your kind words....really i just need to maintain a better attitude...life isn't easy and isnt't meant to be. Sometimes I take things for granted and I know from past experience that every time something doesnt run smoothly there is something to be learnt from it; maybe in this case its going to be appreciate what you have now as babies might not happen; equally it could be appreciate your babies when you have them. listen to me trying to be all pragmatic...who am kidding?!

rosie just saw your bit about BG and knowing you are pregnant...no pissing about with diabetes is there !! are you on insulin or 'lucky' enough to manage with diet?! (much as i would prefer not to have insulin in my life at least i can eat what i want...)

knackered...you know so much about everything! it wasn't until all this occured that i found out that a child with down's has a hugely increased likelihood of type 1. to be fair to myself i manage mine obsessively to the extent that if a doctor took a sample of my blood and measured the glycolated haemoglobin percentage(a measure of blood glucose levels over the past 3 months) he or she would not suspect that i had diabetes; it takes a lot of hard work and micromanagement to get to that state and i know many perfectly intelligent individuals that struggle with that; i cringe at the thought of how an individual with special needs would manage the condition without a plethora of horrible side effects.

i still maintain that if someone here would get a sticky bun in the oven quick smart we would all be a lot happier and more hopeful!!!

big hugs to all

Hello Ilovekitty, hope you had a nice relaxing evening with some wine and your feet up - you were having such a bad day yesterday. Let us know how you're getting on.

Weekend's here!!

Kitty im on metformin at the moment 1 in the morning and two at night but my BG's arent that stable so my dose needs adjusting again - i have a horrid feeling that me taking isulin permanently is looming as my last hba1c was high (thats my own fault i only wish i had your dedication to eating properly)I do have to go straight on to insulin the minute im pg because of my BG's. I really admire how dedicated you are about keeping yours stable, i guess its because you have type 1. Im still a little bit in denial i suppose as i only found out after DS was born 22 months ago that i have it permanently now after having 4 bouts of gestational diabetes in my pgs. Im going to address the weight thing this coming year and hopefully that will help matters too. Im scared of insulin as i got some really nasty hypo's at the end of my pg with DS - my placenta was starting to deteriorate and so the insulin requirement was lessening and i was getting middle of the night hypo's - scary!

Any snow yet? We had a little last night and it was lovely but thats all so far - it sure is cold now though! Im trying not to think about being on the 2ww at the moment and just concentrating on the rest of the month, i think im pretty organised now though - just a few last minute bits and bobs to buy foodwise next week and thats it.

DD's broke up from school today and eldest DD from college - hooray! Im looking forward to a few weeks off the school run thats for sure.

Hope you are all doing ok today and no one is snowed in!

Hey guys

Im cool today...just been swimming which always fixes me mentally! still no bloody egg this morning; i have ordered another box of sticks from amazon im hoping that tempts fate (fag at bus stop logic LOL)

rosie to be honest i eat fairly well anyway but not like a hero, i eat plenty of chocolate and cake etc. the things i have most difficulty with on insulin are things like curry and fish and chips which breakdown so slowly (and are really hard to carb count!); luckily i have a pump and can do an 'extended bolus' which helps. please don't be scared of insulin, i know moments like that can be terrifying but with time you get to understand your body really well and how insulin and day to day life interact (not very well some of the time LOL!). losing weight might help tho - even as type 1 gaining a lot of weight has made a huge difference to my insulin resistance; by getting your weight down and moving around plenty it might allow you just to take a background insulin which would be much easier to manage that all the carb counting and stuff (to me its part of my routine like brushing my teeth but if i could avoid it i would!); i dont know if you can do personal messaging on this site but if you want to chat about the diabetes stuff please feel free to get in touch its quite a challenge and support helps

So to any of you ladies who are finding that TTC is taking the romance and spontaneity out of your love life - try this incredible line on your other half, it works a treat:

'shall we do it this morning; then we won't have to do it tonight'.

to think that its something we used to do for fun!

ps sorry - i meant 'just' a background insulin.

yes its snowing but the boss isnt showing any signs of giving us early parole (so im making do surfing the net instead of doing any work).