Clearblue Fertility Monitor Support Group Buddies Vol 5!!

[boba82]

Ladies from Vol4 - welcome to our new home.

Hi knackered,

This is my 4th month TTC and first with the monitor. My cycle length varies from the shortest being 25 up to a 33 being the longest so far!

I've seen a GP about TTC in general at the start to discuss the rubella vaccine and folic acid etc But not for any issues.

I struggled to find a surge using OPK's as well. But last month I attempted the temperature charting and I did see a good rise on that (prob ovulating then?)

Im a bit worried that Im not ovulating. But then it could be the after effects of contraception. Been off the depo injection for 1 year 3 months and been off the pill for 8 months.

Hey everyone

Just catching up on the day's news. Welcome to ladies who havent been here before.

zebedee - glad to hear that the monitor is working again...i got asked for my first stick today which was day 6 and it was low, which is a good sign too!

kanckered - like your style on the sticks, i definitely agree that at that end of the cycle it uses an un-necessary two. i wonder about the other end too: last month was my first and i peaked day 13 and 14. obviously had i not had a teeny pregnancy i would have come on around 27 or 28. i think in the end it recorded a 33 day cycle of something before i reset - i wonder whether a)even if the cycle had been a normal length from ov it would have requested a aday 6 test this time or b)the monitor picked up an unusual luteal phase due to the 20 day gap between ov and menstruation and is somehow pre-programmed to see that as an irregularity and hence be prepared for anything? who knows...

i like the monitor. on a day like today it makes me kind of feel a little in control of whats going on rather than being victim to all the chaos! know what i mean?!

Hi, we need a natural miracle, as didn't get the letter we needed to pay for fertility treatment.

Back to the monitor, except this time knowing it will only be a miracle due to never having conceived and now knowing the physical reasons why that we can't do anything about. So , well more than ... just don't know how to find the energy to ttc when know it isn't going to work.

Hi Ladies Updating today's stats:

In School
EmmaC29 TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM Cycle 1, age 29, UCL 26-29, CD60
Starlet22 TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM cycle 9, age 34, ucl 25, CD52
wantbaby TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM cycle 6, age 38, UCL 30, CD50
Littlefan TTC#1, Cycle 9, CBFM cycle 2 , age 31, UCL 32-38, CD45
AnytimeNOW TTC#3, Cycle #6, CBFM Cycle 5, age 38, UCL 28, CD43
Michelle2222 TTC#2, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL?, CD40
Birdietimesthree TTC#1, Cycle #3, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 24-25, CD33
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy TTC#3 Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 4, age 34, UCL 26-30 CD33
Ses TTC#2, cycle #5, CBFM cycle #7, age 37, UCL 28-30, CD30
Missyraines TTC#1, Cycle #13, CBFM Cycle 8, age 33, UCL 32, CD25
CrazyAlien TTCno.1 cycle 5 CBFM Cycle 2 age 28 UCL 31-35??! CD18
Lychees TTC#2, Cycle #14, CBFM cycle 10, Aged 36, UCL 30-35, CD16
Twowoulddo TTC#2, Cycle #6, CBFM cycle 1?, Aged 31, UCL 31, CD15
Keziah TTC#1, Cycle #28, CBFM Cycle 16, age 35, ucl 28-31, CD13
ZebedeetheZebra TTC#2, age 43, UCL TMI!, CD11
PinkCustard TTC#2, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 7, age 34, UCL 30-32, CD10
KnackeredCow TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM Cycle 4, age 31, UCL 28, CD9
IloveKittyElise TTC#1, Cycle 2, CBFM Cycle 2, age 34, UCL 28, CD7
Fr00tbat TTC #1, Cycle 6, CBFM Cycle 2, age 32, UCL 30-38 (av 34), CD6
Boba82 TTC#1 Cycle 19, CBFM cycle 6, age 28, UCL 30 (FX), CD

The Dog Ate My Homework
Headbanger TTC#1, Cycle #9, CBFM Cycle 2, age 30, UCL ?, CD?

Playing Truant
FlyingCat TTC#1, Cycle #26, CBFM cycle 2, age 30, UCL 28-29, CD156
Rach879 TTC#1 Cycle #7, CBFM cycle 1, age 30, UCL 30-34, CD123
Jenni4 TTC#2, Cycle #5, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 26, CD103

Graduates
Emmylou30 BFP 22/10/10
MissLolita BFP 30/10/20
Notnearly BFP 6/11/10
StormBird BFP 10/11/10

Boba So sorry to read that AF got you because you weren't pg , but happy for you that a normal cycle has resumed. Must be such a relief to know that things are working properly

Suffering I was on depo years ago and it took a year for my periods to return to normal. Perhaps that's what's caused the irregular cycles? I think it can take up to 18 months. Temping and charting is better for determining whether you are ovulating than OPKs. The problem with temping and charting is that you don't see the rise in temp until after you've ov'd, by which point it's generally too late to conceive. How old are you? I know where I live if you are over 34 they will begin to run tests when you've been TTC for 6 months without success rather than the normal 12. Might be worth having a chat with your GP if you are worried. Would you like us to add your stats to the list?

Kitty Like you, I like the CBFM for the control that it gives me over knowing when I am likely to conceive. I think the monitor does measure at the start of the cycle when it begins to request sticks, it stops as soon as it detects the first peak day. Although, it probably does asks for sticks a little early IMO.

ArabellaDon't worry. Ov can be delayed some months. I normally have my peak days on 14/15, but last month I didn't peak until 18/19 and I had ov pain on day 18. Predictably, AF was 3 days late. Sounds like you may just have late ovulation this month.

Keziah I'm so sorry to hear that you didn't get the letter you needed. That makes me feel very sad . Are you appealing? I really hope you conceive naturally. That would show them. Remember it does only take one sperm to make it. WRT your DH's antibodies, are they on all of his sperm, or just some of them?

Well my DH got his SA back. He hasn't stopped crowing, which made me cry. I am relieved it was really good, but also feel a bit strange as it seems like that our problems lie with me. That makes me sound a bit selfish

Knackered - thanks for the tips on sticks and I might try Amazon for ordering them too. I often thought it was a waste of sticks when it had already shown a peak day.

When I bought the last lot of sticks I got a really cheap temperature thermometre too which works really well, so I thought I'd try charting the basal body temp. I've used it for a few days now, but can someone tell me what I'm looking for? Is it worth the bother? This morning I had a big swig of water just before using it, then thought that was a bit stupid - does it matter if you drink something just before?

Hi Knackered

Yeah add my stats to the list.

TTC#1, Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL average 28 , CD24

I've not been to the dr about any issues about TTC as we've only been trying 4 months and Im 27. I can imagine they'd laugh me out the surgery at this point! :)

Hi Zebedee

I don't chart or temp so can't answer your specific questions, but some years ago I did sell clinical thermometers to hospitals.

As with all temperatures, you are looking for a trend, not an actual reading. Our individual bodies all run at slightly different temperatures, and this does vary depending on time of day. My normal temp is 36.2

So it's probably best to record your temps on a graph so that you can see the trend.

Are you using a mouth thermometer? I assume you are. If so, then you should not drink anything immediately before taking your temp as it will affect the result. You should also take your temperature at the same time every day. If I remember rightly, temperature is higher in the evening than the morning (I think that's the right way round).

If you've used a tympanic (ear) thermometer, then having a swig of water before taking your temp won't affect it.

Welcome suffering

kezia I'm sorry to hear that hun. I know it seems hopeless and totally empathise about having the energy to TTC when you feel like that. All I can say is that sometimes miracles do happen. Maybe take the focus off TTC so you can start to enjoy sex life again as couple & FX it results in a BFP. Like KC said, can you appeal?

Hi there!

I'm sorry I haven't had time to read through all the pages but can I add myself to the list?

Just purchased CBFM and sticks on Amazon and waiting their arrival..

TTC#2, Cycle #5, CBFM Cycle 1, age 38, what is UCL AND CD tho'?

Am hoping for great things after trying for 5 months but worried it might take sponteneity out of things a bit! Gonna keep it schtum from DP otherwise he'll roll his eyes!

Keziah, so sorry about your news. Cannot add any more to what the other ladies have said but just to let you know I am wishing for a natural miracle BFP for you soon.

Welcome ClockSpotter, UCL = Usual Cycle Length and CD = Cycle Day.

Just a bit of a selfish post [still at work so will catch up with everyone else's posts later but can someone confirm something .....

Yesterday when I poas in the morning, I saw a second faint line on the testing stick before putting it in my CBFM. However, my CBFM gave me a low. The night before that, I had woken up and was desperate for a wee so I went to the loo but I had no idea of the time so come morning, there was not much FMU.

Today I got a peak. However, I am assuming that this should actually be my second peak day as my first should have been yesterday.

What do you reckon, ladies?

Welcome suffering - yes, agree dr would probably laugh at you, but you have every right to go after 12mths of ttc- but lets hope you don't need to.

Thanks KC, Boba and Lychees -natural miracle is our desire right now, and pressure wise is ok as I refuse to ttc every day or so! Max of every 2 days here, and love CBFM so I know when that is!! So my monitor reduces stress for me. Can't appeal until we get a letter from clinic telling us refused - guess there is a slight miracle in hoping they will accept the paragraphs from consultant as a yes. The clinic are happy with me, but want the box ticked! Keep crying, but work (with children of course!!) was good distraction today, so aiming to keep busy.

Lychees - a peak is a peak!! So act

glad to see you're keeping positive keziah, you're an inspiration!

Lychees get SWI!!!!!

welcome clockspotter

Keziah You sound so positive and that's really good to hear. I really hope your doctors see some sense. Please keep us updated as to how things are going. That said, I so want you to get a natural BFP and then you can ram that stick somewhere where the sun don't shine up your GP's ...... metaphorically speaking, of course. Don't worry about crying, that's nothing to be ashamed of.

suffering sorry we x posted. I do agree with Keziah, a little early yet, but likewise I really hope that you won't need to.

Lychees I agree with Keziah and Boba too

Keaiah sorry if that didn't make sense. Replace stick with +ve pregnancy test in above post

Clockspotter welcome. Love your name

Suffering have added your stats.

Clockspotting if you can add your UCL and CD we can pop you in tomorrow.

In School
EmmaC29 TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM Cycle 1, age 29, UCL 26-29, CD60
Starlet22 TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM cycle 9, age 34, ucl 25, CD52
wantbaby TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM cycle 6, age 38, UCL 30, CD50
Littlefan TTC#1, Cycle 9, CBFM cycle 2 , age 31, UCL 32-38, CD45
AnytimeNOW TTC#3, Cycle #6, CBFM Cycle 5, age 38, UCL 28, CD43
Michelle2222 TTC#2, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL?, CD40
Birdietimesthree TTC#1, Cycle #3, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 24-25, CD33
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy TTC#3 Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 4, age 34, UCL 26-30 CD33
Ses TTC#2, cycle #5, CBFM cycle #7, age 37, UCL 28-30, CD30
Missyraines TTC#1, Cycle #13, CBFM Cycle 8, age 33, UCL 32, CD25
Sufferingbabyfever TTC#1, Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL 28 , CD24
CrazyAlien TTCno.1 cycle 5 CBFM Cycle 2 age 28 UCL 31-35??! CD18
Lychees TTC#2, Cycle #14, CBFM cycle 10, Aged 36, UCL 30-35, CD16
Twowoulddo TTC#2, Cycle #6, CBFM cycle 1?, Aged 31, UCL 31, CD15
Keziah TTC#1, Cycle #28, CBFM Cycle 16, age 35, ucl 28-31, CD13
ZebedeetheZebra TTC#2, age 43, UCL TMI!, CD11
PinkCustard TTC#2, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 7, age 34, UCL 30-32, CD10
KnackeredCow TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM Cycle 4, age 31, UCL 28, CD9
IloveKittyElise TTC#1, Cycle 2, CBFM Cycle 2, age 34, UCL 28, CD7
Fr00tbat TTC #1, Cycle 6, CBFM Cycle 2, age 32, UCL 30-38 (av 34), CD6
Boba82 TTC#1 Cycle 19, CBFM cycle 6, age 28, UCL 30 (FX), CD

The Dog Ate My Homework
Headbanger TTC#1, Cycle #9, CBFM Cycle 2, age 30, UCL ?, CD?

Playing Truant
FlyingCat TTC#1, Cycle #26, CBFM cycle 2, age 30, UCL 28-29, CD156
Rach879 TTC#1 Cycle #7, CBFM cycle 1, age 30, UCL 30-34, CD123
Jenni4 TTC#2, Cycle #5, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 26, CD103

Graduates
Emmylou30 BFP 22/10/10
MissLolita BFP 30/10/20
Notnearly BFP 6/11/10
StormBird BFP 10/11/10

Ooops meant clockspotter

In School
EmmaC29 TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM Cycle 1, age 29, UCL 26-29, CD60
Starlet22 TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM cycle 9, age 34, ucl 25, CD52
wantbaby TTC#1, Cycle #12, CBFM cycle 7, age 38, UCL 29, CD21
Littlefan TTC#1, Cycle 9, CBFM cycle 2 , age 31, UCL 32-38, CD45
AnytimeNOW TTC#3, Cycle #6, CBFM Cycle 5, age 38, UCL 28, CD43
Michelle2222 TTC#2, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL?, CD40
Birdietimesthree TTC#1, Cycle #3, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 24-25, CD33
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy TTC#3 Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 4, age 34, UCL 26-30 CD33
Ses TTC#2, cycle #5, CBFM cycle #7, age 37, UCL 28-30, CD30
Missyraines TTC#1, Cycle #13, CBFM Cycle 8, age 33, UCL 32, CD25
Sufferingbabyfever TTC#1, Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL 28 , CD24
CrazyAlien TTCno.1 cycle 5 CBFM Cycle 2 age 28 UCL 31-35??! CD18
Lychees TTC#2, Cycle #14, CBFM cycle 10, Aged 36, UCL 30-35, CD16
Twowoulddo TTC#2, Cycle #6, CBFM cycle 1?, Aged 31, UCL 31, CD15
Keziah TTC#1, Cycle #28, CBFM Cycle 16, age 35, ucl 28-31, CD13
ZebedeetheZebra TTC#2, age 43, UCL TMI!, CD11
PinkCustard TTC#2, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 7, age 34, UCL 30-32, CD10
KnackeredCow TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM Cycle 4, age 31, UCL 28, CD9
IloveKittyElise TTC#1, Cycle 2, CBFM Cycle 2, age 34, UCL 28, CD7
Fr00tbat TTC #1, Cycle 6, CBFM Cycle 2, age 32, UCL 30-38 (av 34), CD6
Boba82 TTC#1 Cycle 19, CBFM cycle 6, age 28, UCL 30 (FX), CD

The Dog Ate My Homework
Headbanger TTC#1, Cycle #9, CBFM Cycle 2, age 30, UCL ?, CD?

Playing Truant
FlyingCat TTC#1, Cycle #26, CBFM cycle 2, age 30, UCL 28-29, CD156
Rach879 TTC#1 Cycle #7, CBFM cycle 1, age 30, UCL 30-34, CD123
Jenni4 TTC#2, Cycle #5, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 26, CD103

Graduates
Emmylou30 BFP 22/10/10
MissLolita BFP 30/10/20
Notnearly BFP 6/11/10
StormBird BFP 10/11/10

In School
EmmaC29 TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM Cycle 1, age 29, UCL 26-29, CD60
Starlet22 TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM cycle 9, age 34, ucl 25, CD52
wantbaby TTC#1, Cycle #12, CBFM cycle 7, age 38, UCL 29, CD21
Littlefan TTC#1, Cycle 9, CBFM cycle 2 , age 31, UCL 32-38, CD45
AnytimeNOW TTC#3, Cycle #6, CBFM Cycle 5, age 38, UCL 28, CD43
Michelle2222 TTC#2, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL?, CD40
Birdietimesthree TTC#1, Cycle #3, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 24-25, CD33
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy TTC#3 Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 4, age 34, UCL 26-30 CD33
Ses TTC#2, cycle #5, CBFM cycle #7, age 37, UCL 28-30, CD30
Missyraines TTC#1, Cycle #13, CBFM Cycle 8, age 33, UCL 32, CD25
Sufferingbabyfever TTC#1, Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL 28 , CD24
CrazyAlien TTCno.1 cycle 5 CBFM Cycle 2 age 28 UCL 31-35??! CD18
Lychees TTC#2, Cycle #14, CBFM cycle 10, Aged 36, UCL 30-35, CD16
Twowoulddo TTC#2, Cycle #6, CBFM cycle 1?, Aged 31, UCL 31, CD15
Keziah TTC#1, Cycle #28, CBFM Cycle 16, age 35, ucl 28-31, CD13
ZebedeetheZebra TTC#2, age 43, UCL TMI!, CD11
PinkCustard TTC#2, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 7, age 34, UCL 30-32, CD10
KnackeredCow TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM Cycle 4, age 31, UCL 28, CD9
IloveKittyElise TTC#1, Cycle 2, CBFM Cycle 2, age 34, UCL 28, CD7
Fr00tbat TTC #1, Cycle 6, CBFM Cycle 2, age 32, UCL 30-38 (av 34), CD6
Boba82 TTC#1 Cycle 19, CBFM cycle 6, age 28, UCL 30 (FX), CD6

The Dog Ate My Homework
Headbanger TTC#1, Cycle #9, CBFM Cycle 2, age 30, UCL ?, CD?

Playing Truant
FlyingCat TTC#1, Cycle #26, CBFM cycle 2, age 30, UCL 28-29, CD156
Rach879 TTC#1 Cycle #7, CBFM cycle 1, age 30, UCL 30-34, CD123
Jenni4 TTC#2, Cycle #5, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 26, CD103

Graduates
Emmylou30 BFP 22/10/10
MissLolita BFP 30/10/20
Notnearly BFP 6/11/10
StormBird BFP 10/11/10

Just updating as my CD went awol

Hi Im new to this post. I have started using my Clear Bkue Fertility monitor today as its day 1 of my period :(. We have been TTC for 2 years now and have both been tested and have been told we have unexplained infertility. I was on mumsnet earlier and someone said to me that because i have been TTC for 2 years now im passed using the monitor and it wil only make things worst?? Im not sure what to think about this we are also going to try concieve plus as far as i think i dont think 2 years means im passed this stage. What does anyone else think???

Welcome Roastie, I can't really understand why someone would say it would make things worst. When you've been ttc a while, it's good to feel like you have some control and hope.

I think the CBFM can still be useful. For me, it made me realise that I really had no idea when I was ovulating as my periods seem fairly regular but my ov day can still really vary. Having the CBFM also means I don't have to "remember" what cycle day I'm on and this means it's easier to stop thinking about where I am DPO so it's easier to switch off from thinking about ttc all the time and has somehow made me less obsessive.

Our status is also unexplained infertility. But it's secondary for us as we are lucky to already have DS. It's frustrating not knowing why its not happening ... I'm sure you know what I mean. Are you waiting for "assistance"?

Hi Lychees, i think it will make me feel like i have some control too and make me less stressed. I havent been worrying about what day im on in my cycle to much as we have been trying to BD every other day plus every day round when i think i should be ovulating.

I have just finished a 6 month course of clomid and have my next hospital appointment early Feb. But it just feels like there must be something else i could be doing. I cant see what harm it will do using the monitor. and i have heard that even though 2 years is a long time others have got pregnant naturally after trying much longer.

Im trying to weigh up whether to go private or not. But the thought of an £500 bill for a blood test scares me!

I think maybe i will just do the monitor till feb and see what happens, i can't be any worst off than i am now?

Hey all!

So my reign of 11 days of high finally ended today with a crashing low.

Bit depressing really.

H roastie - if using a monitor helps you, then it doesn't matter what others say. ?Hope Feb appointment goes well, as for going private at this time of year by the time you have your referral, with christmas etc, doubt you will be seen much before Feb anyway at this stage!!

KC - regarding your dh's SA and crowing, i would seriously request that as semen are replaced every 3 months that he has a 2nd SA just to check that the results are consistent (and that hanging over him will help you!!) ... it was only in the 4th SA that we really understood what the problem was with dh - the antibody problem, which although numbers vary is the issue. for first 11mths I was told it was me, despite the only issues picked up being 2 blood test levels not being right.

Thanks for the welcome! Sorry its taken a coupla days to get back KC, been snowed under with work.

Not sure about UCL as seems to be anything between 28 & 32! CD 3 but think I might have joined this thread prematurely as CBFM and sticks still not arrived and if they're not here by Saturday will have to wait another month . If they don't come, will lurk until Jan.

Best of luck everyone!

In School
EmmaC29 TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM Cycle 1, age 29, UCL 26-29, CD61
Starlet22 TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM cycle 9, age 34, ucl 25, CD53
wantbaby TTC#1, Cycle #12, CBFM cycle 7, age 38, UCL 29, CD52
Littlefan TTC#1, Cycle 9, CBFM cycle 2 , age 31, UCL 32-38, CD46
AnytimeNOW TTC#3, Cycle #6, CBFM Cycle 5, age 38, UCL 28, CD44
Michelle2222 TTC#2, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL?, CD41
Birdietimesthree TTC#1, Cycle #3, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 24-25, CD34
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy TTC#3 Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 4, age 34, UCL 26-30 CD34
Ses TTC#2, cycle #5, CBFM cycle #7, age 37, UCL 28-30, CD31
Missyraines TTC#1, Cycle #13, CBFM Cycle 8, age 33, UCL 32, CD26
Sufferingbabyfever TTC#1, Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL 28 , CD25
CrazyAlien TTCno.1 cycle 5 CBFM Cycle 2 age 28 UCL 31-35??! CD19
Lychees TTC#2, Cycle #14, CBFM cycle 10, Aged 36, UCL 30-35, CD17
Twowoulddo TTC#2, Cycle #6, CBFM cycle 1?, Aged 31, UCL 31, CD16
Keziah TTC#1, Cycle #28, CBFM Cycle 16, age 35, ucl 28-31, CD14
ZebedeetheZebra TTC#2, age 43, UCL TMI!, CD11
PinkCustard TTC#2, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 7, age 34, UCL 30-32, CD11
KnackeredCow TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM Cycle 4, age 31, UCL 28, CD20
IloveKittyElise TTC#1, Cycle 2, CBFM Cycle 2, age 34, UCL 28, CD8
Fr00tbat TTC #1, Cycle 6, CBFM Cycle 2, age 32, UCL 30-38 (av 34), CD7
Boba82 TTC#1 Cycle 19, CBFM cycle 6, age 28, UCL 30 (FX), CD7

The Dog Ate My Homework
Headbanger TTC#1, Cycle #9, CBFM Cycle 2, age 30, UCL ?, CD?

Playing Truant
FlyingCat TTC#1, Cycle #26, CBFM cycle 2, age 30, UCL 28-29, CD157
Rach879 TTC#1 Cycle #7, CBFM cycle 1, age 30, UCL 30-34, CD124
Jenni4 TTC#2, Cycle #5, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 26, CD104

today's stats.
Hi clock - no worries, post is a nightmare right now - even though no machine you don't need it till day 5, so you may still get it!! You have five days to tell it when day 1 is adn don't need sticks that early ;-) x

Graduates
Emmylou30 BFP 22/10/10
MissLolita BFP 30/10/20
Notnearly BFP 6/11/10
StormBird BFP 10/11/10