Very sobering - ocean temperature record 20.96c

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Just listening to the segment on BBC news and listening to the likely impacts. Very sobering

It's all us menopausal women that have taken up sea swimming!

My warmer for swimming in.

Yep, very disturbing.

Also disturbing to see that a post like this, highlighting an important issue, has had such a tiny response.

I'm on the Climate board to check response rates to climate related posts, and it's disheartening.

Thank you for posting, OP.

I agree. This is one the scariest bits of climate news there has been this year (and there have been a lot of them!), yet this thread has just attracted two flippant responses? And on a forum where most people have children, so in theory should care about the future of the planet.

The implications of this dramatic warming are potentially catastrophic for humans. Phytoplankton produce a large proportion of the world's oxygen. If phytoplankton die, most life on earth will follow.

The other really scary thing right now is the heatwave underway in the Andes - in the middle of what should be their winter, they are seeing temperatures exceeding 35 degrees.

The rate of climate change is becoming most alarming, but generally people seem completely unable to change their behaviours. It seems nothing is going to happen voluntarily as people are intrinsically selfish. We appear to be stuck on a predictable trajectory with no concern for the animal kingdom or people suffering in developing countries. Incredibly disappointing

The rate of climate change is becoming most alarming, but generally people seem completely unable to change their behaviours. It seems nothing is going to happen voluntarily as people are intrinsically selfish. We appear to be stuck on a predictable trajectory with no concern for the animal kingdom or people suffering in developing countries. Incredibly disappointing

Totally agree. It's so alarming that I try not to think about it. But 'people changing their behaviours' such as not eating red meat and recycling, will have little to no effect on climate change. It's gone too far for that.

I have read about the possibility of a gigantic 'umbrella' to shield the earth from the sun's rays, and although I can't see that happening, I just hope that someone will come up with a real solution in order to minimize the damage already caused.

But profit will always win. During lockdown, when planes were grounded, we had clear skies and pollution was reduced. But did any of the airlines say, 'oh, great, we can make a huge difference here if we just stop flights.'
No chance.

I recently read a book called Stuck Monkey, which used the analogy of a monkey trap where a banana was put into a jar - the monkey could get its hand in to grab the banana, but was unable to pull it back out again without letting go of the banana and so it became stuck, because the lure of the banana was greater than the fear of being killed and eaten by those who had set the trap. Nobody is prepared to let go of their luxuries and perceived freedoms despite the clear threat we face from climate change. It's a very good, but pretty depressing, book.

I'll look up Stuck Monkey, Adrian.
In the meantime, I can recommend "The Ministry for the Future" by Kim Stanley Robinson.

I didn't know whether to start another thread, or add to this one _ I think this fits here

Scientists can now demonstrate that as well as the warming ocean, the Antarctic ice-cap has shrink to smaller than any previously size

Antarctic sea-ice at 'mind-blowing' low alarms experts - BBC News

Article explains why this is such bad news - in short because it's important in preventing the Earth heating up. Both by cooling the ocean (and maintaining currents) but also because it's white and deflects the sun's rays.

The ocean temp stats continue to be really, really alarming. This graph is updated daily, and from a reputable source:

https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/

The last 6 months aren't just a minor outlier, they are off the scale compared to sea surface temperature patterns seen in previous years.

It's terrifying. It's also a bigger problem than I can address as an individual.

I have reduced all sorts of things as an individual- last time I flew was, I dunno, 8 years ago? I've had a cruise since then. My car mileage is pretty low.

What are we supposed to do? I'm not joining the people walking down the motorway. There needs to be a grown up solution.

It may just be that the planet changes immensely. We've already seen massive changes and extinctions throughout the history of the earth.

I hear you, Pickled, but also wonder what other options there are. Concern, outrage, fear, hopelessness; all are entirely appropriate responses to what we are seeing unfold, and as we realise that our democratically elected leaders are not acting with the best long-term interests of the populace and planet at heart.
I feel as if banking, industry and political leaders are blithely banking on our reluctance to protest in a more demonstrative way, hoping we'll feel it's a bridge too far.
After an adult lifetime of traditional activism: writing to MPs, boycotts, petitions, fundraising and donations to charity, involvement in local grassroots environmental projects, I have developed deep respect and admiration for those who engage in acts of civil disobedience and conscientious protest and disruption ‐looking at key moments in history, when things really changed, it was often as a result of mass civil disobedience. I think history will look kindly on Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil and the proven strategy of mass civil disobedience, they'll be on the right side of it (history, that is).

What is particularly depressing today is Sunak’s decision to row back on some current environmental policies. Halting the production of traditional combustion engine cars will now be pushed out to 2035. All in a desperate chase for votes. What’s wrong with these people and why can’t they have the courage not to give in to the short sighted, climate change deniers/sections of the right wing press who bleat on about how unfair some of the moves to reverse climate change are on sections of society and how these initiatives will have a harmful impact on economic growth. So what! Soon there won’t be a world left that’s worth living in - for anyone, rich or poor, and the concept of economic growth will be irrelevant. It was the same with the criticism levelled at the ULEZ expansion. People can’t seem to see past the short term and accept some discomfort now for a greater longer term good.
By 2035, there won’t be anything left on our depleted and desiccated planet that will be worth driving an emissions spewing vehicle around anyway.

I read that the warmer oceans are a major driver for intensity of storms.

Warmer air over the oceans holding more moisture, and producing stronger winds.

Easy to see (confirmation bias) at the moment, but perhaps frequent storms with high rainfall and strong winds are going to become a normal feature of autumn and winter

😂😂😂

You’re spot on @NiceViper This gives a good summary and of course, since then France, the Channel Islands and the UK were heavily impacted by Storms Babet and Ciarán.

Well I am getting so FED UP of all this climate change nonsense.
The planet has always changed! Look back at all the ice ages, the Earth is constantly warming and then cooling again!
We humans are NOT as influencial as we like to think we are, and we certainly won't destroy this planet!

All the green loonies are doing by going on and on about the planet all the time is encouraging the government to introduce yet even more taxes and charges under the guise of 'climate change'!
Or do you lot enjoy all the ULEZ charges?
Do you want climamte lockdowns, 15 minute cities, etc. Yes? Well keep going on and on about it then!

The sea will NOT start to boil over anytime soon, as in the next billion years or so)
The planet will still be spinning 100 million years from now.
We have ALWAYS had wet windy periods, followed by calmer conditions.
(Think early 13th century, no nasty motor vehicles then. Lots of farting cows though)
The sea creatures will have to adapt like all other life on earth.
And they will.

Now behave and quit this incessant climate rubbish.

I agree, the planet will be fine.

The life forms currently on it, probably not.

We've already seen mass extinction events, and we seem hell bent on sending ourselves into the next one. We have extracted, burnt and single-use squandered so much of what the planet has, and some seem to think that makes no difference - it will all happen anyway

And of course no-one is suggesting the sea will boil

But we are saying that warmer seas change the climate - the warmer air above then holds more moisture. It also changes the air currents above. This drives stronger and wetter storms

And we are saying that the changes to marine life will affect more that just the sea creatures who die out. That affects the entire ecosystem

Yes but the ecosystem will then adapt as a whole.

So will humans.

Neanderthals died out. It is called evolution.

The planet will not implode or fall out of orbit.
We are so insignificant that it won't even register in the grand scheme of things if we all disappeared tomorrow!

You all need to wake up and realise this whole climate saga is another excuse for the governments to make money! Pure and simple!

No-one (apart from you) is making any reference to the planet imploding or falling out of orbit, not the oceans boiling.

Well they may as well, for all the hysteria about climate change! So the oceans are slightly warmer than they were a few years ago, what is your point? What exactly do you all think will happen? Why do you want me to hang up my car keys and quit eating meat?
Or are you all just jumping on this money spinner bandwagon?

@LNY1986 So the oceans are slightly warmer than they were a few years ago, what is your point? What exactly do you all think will happen?

Where to start? Melting ice caps are driving rising sea levels. Warming oceans are changing ocean currents. Weather events are becoming more extreme and lasting longer. Warming tundra is releasing methane that has remained frozen for hundreds of thousands of years. Ocean acidification is killing coral reefs. Climate change migration is already happening.