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HappyFace2025 · 24/12/2025 21:05

It's only been 4 hours since DD2, her DP and 18 month toddler arrived to stay until 27th (due to no trains until then.) It's a nightmare as our small 2 bed flat I share with DP (we are in our 70s) isn't 'safe' for a baby, in her opinion! I did everything I could to move stuff so he can crawl around freely but I missed certain things eg. DVDs being within his reach.

DD then wanted all doors shut which I agreed to except when DGS was either in his playpen or in his cot. She admits she is paranoid about DGSs safety (understandably) but this is already turning out to be the most stressful Christmas ever (and there have been some!) DP is fed up and threatened to move into a hotel!

Not sure why I m posting but I can't wait for what should be a happy time (there are only five of us including DGS) to be over. And there is all the cooking to do tomorrow 😥

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HappyFace2025 · 25/12/2025 09:10

Raisondeetre · 24/12/2025 22:48

I feel your pain. I have a very badly behaved three year old and baby staying . The house is totalled. I feel like a slave. . Not shown much respect or consideration by anyone and I’m desperate for it to be over. I adore my grandchildren but I just can’t cope with the screaming, tantrums mess and disorder on top of endless cooking and cleaning. I’m worn out already.

So sorry you are experiencing the same @Raisondeetre x

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HappyFace2025 · 25/12/2025 09:15

Bellyblueboy · 24/12/2025 23:04

It all sounds very stressful and your daughter sounds a bit unreasonable. Vent on here😇.

i am doing that on another thread about my stressful hosting of my parents. I am getting a bit of a roasting - but I do think it’s only natural to bit heads and feel irritated.

deep breaths OP, you are doing your best.

Thank you. I am doing my best but it doesn't seem to be enough. I know that DD is stressed and exhausted so it's partly that but my DP is quietly furious. (Not her father but we've been together 16 years). She is 40 years old btw and her own partner is good at calming her down.

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Sassylovesbooks · 25/12/2025 09:34

Sillysoggyspaniel · 24/12/2025 22:04

For a few days, so everyone can relax and enjoy their time together, definitely lock everything away. They can spend the other 362 days of the year reinforcing "no".

It doesn't sound as if the OP's daughter has started saying No, let alone re-enforcing it!! She's expecting her Mum to lock the contents of her flat down instead! Parenting is hard work, but that doesn't stop, just because it's Christmas Day. I'm sure for an easy life the OP could remove items, but then what happens the next time her daughter visits? She'll expect the OP to do the same again! The OP lives in a flat, she may not have the room to store the things she's expected to remove either! Her daughter needs to parent and stop expecting others to adapt their behaviour simply because she has a child.

Pistolpunk · 25/12/2025 09:55

It sounds like them going to a hotel is for the best as you are at an age where running around after other people and grandchildren will be even more tiring.

My late mother had the energy when her first grandchild was born but over the years with added grandchildren and ageing it started to take its toll. I'm only middle aged and would struggle to be making my house toddler proof for anyone although I dont have grandchildren just yet but can imagine how tiring that would be.

Glittertwins · 25/12/2025 09:58

@HappyFace2025- can you take the playpen apart and use that to fence off dvds etc instead? We used ours as barriers as opposed to an actual playpen. Tablecloths over things could also help - my mum used to do this as it hid the cds from the racks and took away the curiosity from the pair of them who were highly mobile.

SiberFox · 25/12/2025 10:06

AgingLikeGazpacho · 24/12/2025 22:59

Sorry slightly off topic, but as a new mum I'm wondering whether your own kids were very different at those ages or if you've held onto the more positive memories of them that young?

We hosted a Christmas Eve meal today and my toddler made it pretty much impossible for us to sit down and relax - not badly behaved per se, but just needed constant attention/ to be held. Am wondering when things get easier or if I need to parent her differently 😅🫠

My 2.5yo DD is the same. Not sure why anyone would expect anything different, toddlers are meant to be constantly on the go, and with all the people / emotions / stimulation, it just easily gets too much for them.

Family gatherings with tiny kids aren’t always ‘happy’ or peaceful I think but they give us a chance to be there for each other and give each other a lot of grace

Sillysoggyspaniel · 25/12/2025 10:10

Sassylovesbooks · 25/12/2025 09:34

It doesn't sound as if the OP's daughter has started saying No, let alone re-enforcing it!! She's expecting her Mum to lock the contents of her flat down instead! Parenting is hard work, but that doesn't stop, just because it's Christmas Day. I'm sure for an easy life the OP could remove items, but then what happens the next time her daughter visits? She'll expect the OP to do the same again! The OP lives in a flat, she may not have the room to store the things she's expected to remove either! Her daughter needs to parent and stop expecting others to adapt their behaviour simply because she has a child.

I parent my children, and they do listen (mostly). I still clear obvious risks away. There's no point having a table cloth for instance that can be grab by a child just trying to pull themselves up - and then pulling hot drinks or food down on themselves. So there's absolutely a balance. For a new environment when nerves are frayed I'm all for anything that makes it easier, because parenting in a new environment is the same shit...but worse.

tinyspiny · 25/12/2025 10:49

Toddlers are hard work and it sounds like your daughter has picked up on the negativity from your partner and to a degree yourself and is doing exactly the right thing by booking a hotel . You and your partner need to up your game a bit today on the positivity front otherwise they won’t want to Christmas with you again . I hope things improve for you today .

HappyFace2025 · 25/12/2025 10:58

Glittertwins · 25/12/2025 09:58

@HappyFace2025- can you take the playpen apart and use that to fence off dvds etc instead? We used ours as barriers as opposed to an actual playpen. Tablecloths over things could also help - my mum used to do this as it hid the cds from the racks and took away the curiosity from the pair of them who were highly mobile.

The playpen seems to be working as it is a good size. There's no real way of partitioning ing the room. I've removed the DVDs and put them high up on a table he can't reach. DD says not to cover things with a cloth as hell just pull it all down 🥴

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HappyFace2025 · 25/12/2025 11:02

Update: DP sleeping in and the rest of us have had breakfast with me feeding the LO.
Simple lunch planned at midday after which he will have his nap while I start cooking. Presents when he wakes up and dinner at 5.00. All arranged around his routine.
I've suggested they go for a walk as it is cold but sunny but they've not gone out as yet.
🤞 No more tantrums but who knows!

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HappyFace2025 · 25/12/2025 11:04

@tinyspiny the anxiety is purely coming from DD not me or DP. DGS is behaving beautifully in comparison to his mum! 'Up our game a bit'? Really?

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bumblingbovine49 · 25/12/2025 11:34

These posts make me a bit sad. I took ds to Italy when he was 16 months old. He had just started walking and was very very difficult to keep still. I had to go as I had some inheritance business to take care of. I went with my elderly and quite disabled ( my mother) parents who were in their early 80s and not able to look after a mobile toddler

I remember arriving at the house in Italy, in the middle of nowhere, with nothing but rocky steps up to the house and my farmer neighbours wide open garage/ barn full of (lethal to children) farming equipment next door to our house.

I put DS down in the kitchen and within minutes every cupboard was open with everything being pulled out and examined by ds, with me following and frantically removing anthhing remotely dangerous with sharp edges from him.

To this day, I remember my mother's face turning from adoring grandparent, to shocked worry as she wailed "oh bumbling, I forgot what they are like at this age, what are we going to do!" and we both started laughing

DH had not been able to come due to work and DS had started walking about 2 weeks befoere we left.

The trip was very hard work for me as I had to do so much trailing after DS to keep him safe. I couldnt really let him nap alone as there was no cot and very steep marble stars outside the bedrooms

But we worked out a routine and my parents did all they could to help, cooking , cleaning and sticking religiously to whatever routine worked best for making sure I got a chance to rest when possible.

I do remember how much hard work it was, especially as I was the only one who could drive and DS was on the move from 6am to 2pm and then again from about 4pm to 9pm . I remember hours of following ds around outside to stop him falling down steep steps and to stop him playing with farm equipment. I remember keeping him entertained while we spoke to lawyers and other officials to sort out admin paperwork and I remember being exhausted. I remember being up at night when he cried as he was still breastfeeding

But I also remember taking the 2 hours that he slept to sleep myself every day, with nothing to do but read or sleep as I stayed with DS as my parents did everything. Remember my parents happy proud voices as the showed ds off to everyone, even as ds was running around manically, unable to keep still for more than 5 mins at a time, with me trailingvafter him. I also remember my mother saying to me " this reminds me so much of when you were this age' and although I know it made her very tired, she was also a bit wistful.

That trip was the longest 13 days of my life but I remember it fondly 19 years later now my parents are gone. The thing that helped the most was feeling like a team with my parents and me understanding that ds was my responsibility with regards to keeping him safe, but they helped by doing all the cooking and cleaning etc and by not complaining if I wanted to do something different to how they usually did it.

Anyway not sure what I am saying, except I do know how stressful it is but a bit of love and compromise on both sides goes a long way. Plus it is really not forever

tinyspiny · 25/12/2025 11:58

HappyFace2025 · 25/12/2025 11:04

@tinyspiny the anxiety is purely coming from DD not me or DP. DGS is behaving beautifully in comparison to his mum! 'Up our game a bit'? Really?

You said your partner is quietly furious which I find hard to believe cannot be picked up on by either atmosphere or body language and when your daughter texted you to say she’d booked a hotel you didn’t reply which speaks volumes to me . Just my opinion on things that you have posted yourself .

gollyimholly · 25/12/2025 12:25

Replying to say your daughter is being unreasonable. I have been taking DD (nearly 3 years old) to my parents' house ever since she was born probably a couple of times a week. Not once have they babyproofed the house and nor would I expect them to. The world doesn't revolve around my DD. I am very much a stressy anxious parent and I'm sure MN has previously referred to my DD being my PFB. The onus is always on me (the parent) to keep an eye on my child. Yes it's stressful going to someone else's house or an un-babyproofed environment with a young child/toddler but also that's just life with kids!

Mistletoeiggi · 25/12/2025 12:30

Don't worry she's unlikely to be back for next Christmas so you won't have the stress

PennyLaneisinmyheartandmysoul · 25/12/2025 12:41

tinyspiny · 25/12/2025 10:49

Toddlers are hard work and it sounds like your daughter has picked up on the negativity from your partner and to a degree yourself and is doing exactly the right thing by booking a hotel . You and your partner need to up your game a bit today on the positivity front otherwise they won’t want to Christmas with you again . I hope things improve for you today .

Ops already said her DP has said he wouldn’t so Christmas with dd, dgc and her partner again anyway and sounds like op agrees!

HappyFace2025 · 25/12/2025 12:53

tinyspiny · 25/12/2025 11:58

You said your partner is quietly furious which I find hard to believe cannot be picked up on by either atmosphere or body language and when your daughter texted you to say she’d booked a hotel you didn’t reply which speaks volumes to me . Just my opinion on things that you have posted yourself .

He doesn't show how he feels in front of them. And there was no reason for me to reply late in the evening when I had already gone to bed!
BTW this is a venting thread about Xmas NOT
AIBU which you appear to think.

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HappyFace2025 · 25/12/2025 12:56

Mistletoeiggi · 25/12/2025 12:30

Don't worry she's unlikely to be back for next Christmas so you won't have the stress

Next year is with her DPs parents and they have a large house in which things can be moved around more easily. The following year I will be almost 80 years old so no they won't be coming to me as I hope very much they will then have a decent sized home in which to hold their own Xmas.

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HappyFace2025 · 25/12/2025 13:00

PennyLaneisinmyheartandmysoul · 25/12/2025 12:41

Ops already said her DP has said he wouldn’t so Christmas with dd, dgc and her partner again anyway and sounds like op agrees!

Please see my reply to @Mistletoeiggi!

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HappyFace2025 · 25/12/2025 13:02

Thanks for your understanding @gollyimholly

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Pistolpunk · 25/12/2025 13:03

tinyspiny · 25/12/2025 10:49

Toddlers are hard work and it sounds like your daughter has picked up on the negativity from your partner and to a degree yourself and is doing exactly the right thing by booking a hotel . You and your partner need to up your game a bit today on the positivity front otherwise they won’t want to Christmas with you again . I hope things improve for you today .

Are you oblivious to the fact the OP is in her 70s and has many years of chaotic family xmas under her belt already ? Now I have 2 adult dc and a teen I am so over the massive xmas celebrations revolving solely around small children and am at that stage where it is peaceful and relaxing. Not every older person has to "up their game" to revolve around and adult child and their child. I know when I reach my 70s I will be doing my own thing and not upping anything for anyone. If i am ever blessed with grandchildren i will enjoy that but wont be pandering to anyone

HappyFace2025 · 25/12/2025 13:07

For anyone else who missed it in my OP, DP and I are in our late 70s. Good for anyone else who manages entertaining/hosting family members for three days (at our age) 😂

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Glittertwins · 25/12/2025 13:13

Your DD should be parenting really, it’s not down to you to be running ragged. My twins never yanked any table cloth coverings off anything though (and they were / still are a superb tag team). Deep breaths and good luck. My parents are the same age as you and there is no way I’d expect them to be running around after toddlers now either in their home or elsewhere to be honest.

BellesAndGraces · 25/12/2025 13:14

bumblingbovine49 · 25/12/2025 11:34

These posts make me a bit sad. I took ds to Italy when he was 16 months old. He had just started walking and was very very difficult to keep still. I had to go as I had some inheritance business to take care of. I went with my elderly and quite disabled ( my mother) parents who were in their early 80s and not able to look after a mobile toddler

I remember arriving at the house in Italy, in the middle of nowhere, with nothing but rocky steps up to the house and my farmer neighbours wide open garage/ barn full of (lethal to children) farming equipment next door to our house.

I put DS down in the kitchen and within minutes every cupboard was open with everything being pulled out and examined by ds, with me following and frantically removing anthhing remotely dangerous with sharp edges from him.

To this day, I remember my mother's face turning from adoring grandparent, to shocked worry as she wailed "oh bumbling, I forgot what they are like at this age, what are we going to do!" and we both started laughing

DH had not been able to come due to work and DS had started walking about 2 weeks befoere we left.

The trip was very hard work for me as I had to do so much trailing after DS to keep him safe. I couldnt really let him nap alone as there was no cot and very steep marble stars outside the bedrooms

But we worked out a routine and my parents did all they could to help, cooking , cleaning and sticking religiously to whatever routine worked best for making sure I got a chance to rest when possible.

I do remember how much hard work it was, especially as I was the only one who could drive and DS was on the move from 6am to 2pm and then again from about 4pm to 9pm . I remember hours of following ds around outside to stop him falling down steep steps and to stop him playing with farm equipment. I remember keeping him entertained while we spoke to lawyers and other officials to sort out admin paperwork and I remember being exhausted. I remember being up at night when he cried as he was still breastfeeding

But I also remember taking the 2 hours that he slept to sleep myself every day, with nothing to do but read or sleep as I stayed with DS as my parents did everything. Remember my parents happy proud voices as the showed ds off to everyone, even as ds was running around manically, unable to keep still for more than 5 mins at a time, with me trailingvafter him. I also remember my mother saying to me " this reminds me so much of when you were this age' and although I know it made her very tired, she was also a bit wistful.

That trip was the longest 13 days of my life but I remember it fondly 19 years later now my parents are gone. The thing that helped the most was feeling like a team with my parents and me understanding that ds was my responsibility with regards to keeping him safe, but they helped by doing all the cooking and cleaning etc and by not complaining if I wanted to do something different to how they usually did it.

Anyway not sure what I am saying, except I do know how stressful it is but a bit of love and compromise on both sides goes a long way. Plus it is really not forever

Glad you had a great time @bumblingbovine49, but seeing as it’s Christmas, how about having some grace for those who are not having such a good time with their loved ones?

PennyLaneisinmyheartandmysoul · 25/12/2025 13:59

HappyFace2025 · 25/12/2025 13:00

Please see my reply to @Mistletoeiggi!

Ok vent away about your awful daughter, terrible grandchild and you and your poor beleaguered dp who is struggling to contain his rage at them! Tell her how awful she’s making your day!!

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