aibu to think food prices are sky-rocketing.

[JingleBellez]

I just bought some bits at local co-op. It came to 72.99 and it wasn't much.

How on earth do those on a low income cope?

Are prices getting very high very quick or is it just me?

[quote RoseMartha]@rrhuth
I had an email from my gas supplier telling me they were upping my monthly direct debit from £16 to £99.

I was 😲😲😲😲

I rang them and said how can this be? I hardly use any gas!!!! I know prices are going up but that is ridiculous.

Anyway they conceded it must have been a mistake and will charge me £34 instead.

[/quote]
My utilities company wanted to hike my DD from £90 to £160! Managed to get them to put it down to £130.

@TheCatsKilledTheGonks

Guess it's a case of you've made your bed now lie in it...

Absolutely. And like the PP I have no sympathy at all for any Brexit voters who are now struggling with rising costs.

It's just a shame that they condemned so many other people who didn't deserve it to lie in that bed with them, without their consent. And until they apologise and admit they really f**ked up, I don't think any sense of solidarity in British society will return. They inflicted a much worse situation on everyone - very deliberately we are told, in full possession of the facts etc etc - so they need to take responsibility for this, pay up for the costs not expect others to do it.

The pandemic would have happened at some point, fortunately wasn't a more deadly illness, but should have been planned for better and managed waaaaaayyyy better by any competent Government.

But the Brexit effect - the most pointless and irrational act of self-harm in British history - on top of that is unforgivable while still no apologies have been made or attempts to repair the damage by those who caused it.

100% THIS!!!!! Honestly, I have absolutely zero sympathy for anyone who voted for Brexit (or didn't use their right to vote at all), and is now crippled by the financial consequences. I just feel sorry for those of us who knew what was to come, voted Remain, but have to bear the consequences anyway!

@Nevermakeit,

Never miss a snide opportunity to have a go at Brexit.

For all those asking Brexiteers to provide evidence of the benefits, you need to hold yourselves to the same standards.

If this inflation has been caused (or even substantially enhanced) by Brexit, why is Eurozone inflation running higher than the UK?

I repeat:

UK November CPI: 4.6%

Eurozone November CPI: 4.9%

How about we look at quantitative easing and the fact house prices are never managed, or yet another free pass for record bankers’ bonuses after they spent a year paying nothing to shareholders. And finally, how are we paying to control climate change? Looks like another ‘poll tax to me.

Brexit-a tiny and insignificant factor in a general global trend.

Article in the guardian today saying gas prices could go up by another 50% by spring.

I agree, I’ve noticed a huge difference over the past year. I’m more worried by gas and electricity prices though. They have shot up and are set to increase further next year.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@TheCatsKilledTheGonks,

Euro area November CPI 4.9%
Uk November CPI 4.6%

Hard to see our inflation as Brexit based.[/quote]
You need to drill down further into the data for specific products. As I said in my posts a lot of the current inflation and supply chain disruption is obviously due to the pandemic however Brexit has had a significant economic impact - the economy is 4% smaller than it would have been without it - so we are all poorer as a result. Could have done without that on top of the pandemic effects!

@TheCatsKilledTheGonks,

I am not going to analyse the CPI product by product. If you want to make an evidenced case, you drill down into the data and make it.

What you have actually done is pivoted to something nothing to do with the thread and made a random unevidenced assertion.

Definitely getting more and more expensive. My one example. Clover spread. Pre pandemic price £1:30 usually on offer at £1. That crept up to £1:35 and then £1:50 Now normal price is £1.95 and offer price £1.30 very, very occasionally £1. Thankfully, Aldi do a good rip off that my kids like as much!

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@TheCatsKilledTheGonks,

I am not going to analyse the CPI product by product. If you want to make an evidenced case, you drill down into the data and make it.

What you have actually done is pivoted to something nothing to do with the thread and made a random unevidenced assertion.[/quote]
Huh? In my earlier post I had specifically said that Brexit has made everybody poorer which is an undisputed assertion amongst mainstream economists. What evidence would you like me to provide on Mumsnet that isn't already contained in their multiple, detailed, published reports on the matter?

My last post didn't "pivot" to anything, I simply repeated the same thing again because you seemed to have misunderstood my earlier comment to mean that UK inflation is due primarily to Brexit, which I certainly did not say: I specifically said from the start that a great deal of the current disruption and inflation is the result of the pandemic. That doesn't mean we should forget that Brexit has made us all significantly poorer, in a way that the economy will not recover from (unlike pandemic disruption).

What gets me about it all is that so many people are in denial about it. This time next year is going to be a very nasty shock for a lot of people. I can very much see us being about 8% inflation by this time next year.

I was paying £47 a month for my fixed rate from octopus energy which ended in November, I actually went against Martin Lewis’s advice and stayed on the cheapest fixed rate they were offering me. I now pay £89.08 a month. Can I afford it? Not really but I was thinking ahead to April and how screwed I would be if I stayed in a variable tariff. I’m a single mum with a 2.5 year old and currently awaiting a decision on PIP etc so I’m in no position to be paying stupid prices.

I may well be wrong but I think it was the right idea. Octopus are doing a thing at the moment where you input your meter readings each week and they tell you if you have used less gas etc.

I havnt changed how much I use but yet I have been charged £55 for it since the beginning of December. I think I’m looking realistically at about £100 a month for gas…which is nuts.

As for food, that’s definitely gone up. I use a community pantry each week for £2 and you get 10 items (one of which is a massive bag of fruit and veg) so that’s a massive help but in terms of actual shops, the prices are going up and the sizes of things are going down. We have a guy who sells fruit and veg down the high street weekly and an apple now costs 50p. Doesn’t seem like much but 4 apples for £2 is not something I can do on a regular basis

@onlyreadingneverposting8

Definitely getting more and more expensive. My one example. Clover spread. Pre pandemic price £1:30 usually on offer at £1. That crept up to £1:35 and then £1:50 Now normal price is £1.95 and offer price £1.30 very, very occasionally £1. Thankfully, Aldi do a good rip off that my kids like as much!

In examples like that, maybe more people are going to realise that, in a lot of cases, there's no reason at all to buy the brand, where you're simply paying extra for the name and the cheaper product is just as nice?

@TheReluctantPhoenix for example, the OBR calculates that the damage to the economy from Brexit is 4% whereas the pandemic has only caused long-term damage of 1.5%. Demanding that we shouldn't mention Brexit as a key factor in why people are and will continue to be poorer when Brexit has caused far more damage to our living standards than the pandemic - and was also voluntary! - is ridiculous.

@TheCatsKilledTheGonks,

I think the idea of threads is to stay vaguely on the subject the OP has chosen, which is inflation and prices.

Why not start (another one of many) thread on Brexit and damage to the economy?

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@TheCatsKilledTheGonks,

I think the idea of threads is to stay vaguely on the subject the OP has chosen, which is inflation and prices.

Why not start (another one of many) thread on Brexit and damage to the economy?[/quote]
The topic of the thread is people feeling/ being poorer and finding basics less affordable. Inflation is not the only thing that feeds into that. Deciding to Brexit and make the economy 4% smaller results in lower profits for companies. This means people have less nominal money before you even consider inflationary effects. To dismiss half of the equation for calculating spending capacity because it doesn't suit your narrative is totally misleading. Why do you wish to mislead people?

Not wishing to be inflammatory here but we did Brexit, whatever your views, it's done. There is no point talking about the past and being 'told you so'. How does that help? The conversation here is about price increases we face now and how our households are going to manage them and most of us are really worried.

@BedisBliss

Not wishing to be inflammatory here but we did Brexit, whatever your views, it's done. There is no point talking about the past and being 'told you so'. How does that help? The conversation here is about price increases we face now and how our households are going to manage them and most of us are really worried.

I agree, thinking of going mostly veggie here.

@BedisBliss

Not wishing to be inflammatory here but we did Brexit, whatever your views, it's done. There is no point talking about the past and being 'told you so'. How does that help? The conversation here is about price increases we face now and how our households are going to manage them and most of us are really worried.

You could say the same about the shambolic Government mishandling of the pandemic and the corruption with public money, the repeated breaking of their own rules: it's done so just forget it, it doesn't matter. Why have a public inquiry?

Because it's in the public interest for the full facts to be clear, especially in the face of a political culture of lies. The future will not be any better if the mistakes of the past are not admitted, analysed and learned from so that mistakes are rectified or at least not repeated.

Your logic would mean the entire criminal justice system should be disbanded. You're a serial killer? Well, that all happened in the past so it doesn't matter now.

@BedisBliss

Not wishing to be inflammatory here but we did Brexit, whatever your views, it's done. There is no point talking about the past and being 'told you so'. How does that help? The conversation here is about price increases we face now and how our households are going to manage them and most of us are really worried.

And yeah, not having a 4% average cut in your available budget to spend as a direct result of Brexit might have helped to mitigate the impact of the inflation on your household budget somewhat, don't you think?

Of course people are worried. It's shit. The ones I feel sorry for are those who are suffering as a result of the pandemic and the idiotic Brexit that they didn't vote for. Those who did vote for it voted to be poorer so are getting what they asked for.

We actually have not done Brexit. Some of the measures are only starting on the 1st of January.

As I think I said earlier on this thread, food prices went up globally by 33% in September according to the UN, so not just the UK.

The world is changing, so we will have to get used to higher prices on lots of things. We still spend less on food today than people did in the 1950s.

Can you provide a link for that 33% rise?

Sorry can't do links but it's on the CNN business website and world economic.

What my post should have said was compared to September the previous year, so risen by 33% in a year. Sorry didn't make that clear.

Sorry can't do links

You can't copy and paste a link, honestly?

CorrBlimeyGG - No I can't, I'm sure I can't be the only one!

@RoyalFamilyFan

We actually have not done Brexit. Some of the measures are only starting on the 1st of January.

Yep. And others in the summer. They will put many small businesses out of business, increase inflation further due to the additional customs costs, and limit product availability.