Christmas in lockdown?

[Poppins17]

Just seen the news that the Netherlands are going into lockdown… do you think we will be in restrictions by Christmas Day?

I really hope not.. we have a holiday home for 3 households booked

We’re spending this Christmas alone too. It sucks, but it’s necessary if we’re going to beat this.

What do you mean 'beat this'? We've had lockdowns, we have vaccines. The virus is still here and it's not going anywhere.

Sostenueto how many flu deaths did we accept each year prior to covid?
Added to this we have vaccinations which we know reduce the risk of us ending up seriously unwell.
Only 10,000 a year on average but because we wore masks for almost 2 years just a handful. So perhaps masks should always be mandatory in winter or flu season?
Just think of all those lives saved. And Covid is responsible for well over 168,000 in less than 2 years and 200,000 excess deaths because people not getting treated in time for cancer heart ops transplants and other illnesses. ( Deaths exceeding average amount)

I get that life's have been saved but at what point do we say enough? Do we keep going into lockdowns? What about the excess deaths due to covid do we just ignore them as they arnt dying of covid?my point is we accept flu deaths but we refuse to accept covid deaths without having to go into lockdowns. We have been vaccinated and boosted and I'm sure loads of people would not have taken the vaccine had they said we would go back into lockdown as they told us the vaccines were the way out of this....

There's a vast difference to the flu deaths ( which we haven't had because if mask wearing for nearly 2 years so easily preventable deaths) to Covid deaths as it's not only about the deaths from Covid but those excess deaths whilst dealing with a PANDEMIC. The fact NHS is also so run down by 11 years of Tory starvation of funds and resources, lack of staff due to Brexit and the stupidity Snd selfishness of people not willing to follow sensible advice to not only protect themselves and their loved ones but the communities they live in.

But don't worry my friend just sent me this and it will continue until every single person wakes up.

www.suffolklive.com/news/suffolk-news/plan-c-lockdown-after-christmas-6371337

why did they open the nightingale hospitals only to close them without seeing a single covid patient🤷🏻‍♀️ The nhs is on its arse for sure but putting us into constant lockdowns isn't going to solve that. The compliance this time around will be much lower. So how long do we follow this advise?another year?two?i just don't understand how we are ever supposed to get out of it if we continually lockdown.

They can try to "enforce" what they want, compliance will be at an all time low anyway. The government can't even stick to their own rules.

If they try to ban households mixing again, I won't be complying.

I would rather take my chances with covid than have another lockdown. It's clearly not going anywhere, it will continue to mutant and new strains be discovered - locking down each time is not the answer. Keep vaccinating and learn to live with it.

[quote Sostenueto]There's a vast difference to the flu deaths ( which we haven't had because if mask wearing for nearly 2 years so easily preventable deaths) to Covid deaths as it's not only about the deaths from Covid but those excess deaths whilst dealing with a PANDEMIC. The fact NHS is also so run down by 11 years of Tory starvation of funds and resources, lack of staff due to Brexit and the stupidity Snd selfishness of people not willing to follow sensible advice to not only protect themselves and their loved ones but the communities they live in.

But don't worry my friend just sent me this and it will continue until every single person wakes up.

www.suffolklive.com/news/suffolk-news/plan-c-lockdown-after-christmas-6371337[/quote]
The Suffolk News doesn’t have any insider info 😂, the fact that plans are being drawn up for a 2 week circuit breaker is pretty well known. There have been many threads about it on here over the past few days.

[quote OhGiveUp]@Tillyvonpantsalo They built nightingale hospitals for this very reason and apart from treating only 46 covid patients, they were unused and dismantled again.
If it's all about taking the pressure off the NHS, then why do that?
No, I don't believe it's all about saving the NHS at all, otherwise they wouldn't have spent millions on building something that was supposed to relieve that pressure. Instead they would have been make ng full use of them.[/quote]
They also will have a mass exodus of staff leaving because they are unvaccinated. Funny how they are ok to work over the winter but need to be vaccinated by the spring when the workload will be lessened! If it was really that bad surely they would need to be vaccinated straightaway? It's because they know they would be even more short staffed if they did!

@Mrsmch123

why did they open the nightingale hospitals only to close them without seeing a single covid patient🤷🏻‍♀️ The nhs is on its arse for sure but putting us into constant lockdowns isn't going to solve that. The compliance this time around will be much lower. So how long do we follow this advise?another year?two?i just don't understand how we are ever supposed to get out of it if we continually lockdown.

It was a badly thought out pr exercise. There were no qualified staff to work in them, they should never have been built.

@Longbarn5

If we are locked down entirely it is difficult to ignore. I believe they set up road blocks to stop people crossing counties, etc. The 2021 party fiasco has our Boris in a very, very difficult situation. What a bunch or idiots!,

Is that so? I never realised that.

22:00Mrsmch123

why did they open the nightingale hospitals only to close them without seeing a single covid patient🤷🏻‍♀️

Because there was not enough staff to run them. If a patient was referred to one of them the hospital had to supply the staff to look after them. There was no highly trained staff to look after those on ventilators. It was a political exercise to say look! We built hospitals in a matter of days!!! And we all fell for it.

The Suffolk News doesn’t have any insider info 😂, the fact that plans are being drawn up for a 2 week circuit breaker is pretty well known. There have been many threads about it on here over the past few days.

Yea and Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak did not attend the Cobra meeting yesterday whilst the country is in crisis. A complete dereliction of duty. Shame on them both.

They also will have a mass exodus of staff leaving because they are unvaccinated. Funny how they are ok to work over the winter but need to be vaccinated by the spring when the workload will be lessened! If it was really that bad surely they would need to be vaccinated straightaway? It's because they know they would be even more short staffed if they did!

They didn't seem to bother about that when care staff were forced to get vaccinated or lose their jobs. Hence even more bed blocking in NHS as there is an absolute shortage of careworkers now ( and before the mandatory vaccination order) people in NHS are looking after vunerable people. The first precept is safeguard the service user in both NHS and social care. They should have enforced same standards at same time as they did in social care. And now families and friends if those fit enough to come out if hospital but need some care are being asked to help get them out if hospital as they have a shortage of beds. And the longer they stay in hospital the more likely they will catch Covid and possibly due. Bet you didn't know that!

Oops typos sorry;

Bet you didn't know that!

Well… yes I did. All issues that are being reported in the media. Plus my cousin runs a care home and my mum is a nurse in ICU.

Then u know how important that people in those sectors have the vaccine.

I do think they need to rescind the sacking of care home and NHS unvaccinated staff. It makes no sense to me why people aren't getting their vaccines, but a simple LFT done before every shift would confirm that they don't have transmissible Covid at that point. It's not ideal, but better than losing thousands of trained staff to teach the unvaccinated a lesson.

a simple LFT done before every shift would confirm that they don't have transmissible Covid at that point

But you know that LFTs are not that reliable. I know several people with positive PCRs who had negative LFTs. It’s also pretty easy to say you’ve done an LFT when you haven’t… it’s not like there’s any record.

@Divebar2021

a simple LFT done before every shift would confirm that they don't have transmissible Covid at that point

But you know that LFTs are not that reliable. I know several people with positive PCRs who had negative LFTs. It’s also pretty easy to say you’ve done an LFT when you haven’t… it’s not like there’s any record.

Equally, a proof that you’ve had a vaccination doesn’t mean you don’t have covid either. None of the methods are 100% reliable.

LFTs should be done at place of work, yes it means you lose 20 mins of work time, but how much more is lost through training up new people or how many people are bed blocking in the hospitals because not enough staff in care homes to discharge.

Agree that LFTs aren't perfect, but we need to move on from perfect to pragmatic. And whilst we're at it reduce isolation time to 7 days unless you've still got symptoms.

We've already decided on lockdown Christmas. There are elderly grandparents with health issues to consider, and they live 2.5 hours away.

Adult siblings met for a walk in a woods and present exchange over the weekend, to move from one end of the country to the other. Sosehold has presents to open o. Christmas Day, and we are also doing deliveries to extended family local to us (like me from my parents to their own siblings, and DSis bringing ours to DH's family etc).

We may be able to meet up over new year. But as it happens, a student sitting next to DD in school tested positive yesterday. Dd negative LFT for the moment, but we will see how the week progresses.

But we had already made the decision 2 weeks ago not to travel and stay here ourselves, as had our neighbours decided it is just mum and Dc, her adult sibling and Dp are no. Longer travelling to them

83,000 cases yesterday, 14 hospital admissions.

The world has gone mad (madder, the world has gone madder!)

My first reaction is the same as 90% of people on here - enough is enough. Done my bit, not wasting anymore time with lockdowns.

BUT

If the NHS does get overloaded, it's not these incompetent MPs that suffer the consequences. They won't be waiting in the back of an ambulance for hours or turned away (as a friend of mine was in lockdown #1 "you only need to worry when the corners of your lips turn blue"). It will be the average person. It will be our grandparents and parents and siblings and children that will suffer, which is why ultimately most people make a noise and then roll over.

Because there isn't much of a choice.

I will however be going for as many walks as I like, with as many people as I like. I am not isolating my only child ever again.

@Divebar2021

a simple LFT done before every shift would confirm that they don't have transmissible Covid at that point

But you know that LFTs are not that reliable. I know several people with positive PCRs who had negative LFTs. It’s also pretty easy to say you’ve done an LFT when you haven’t… it’s not like there’s any record.

Late October a work client changed their rules to include LFTs to be completed each morning, We needed the LFT code to put on their declaration each day.

LFTs aren't perfect, but its the most we have at our disposal to keep us all safe