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Stupid questions about Santa and Christmas

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CuteOrangeElephant · 25/09/2019 14:28

Yes I am aware some people call him Father Christmas.

Whatever you call him, I can't quite seem to be able to wrap my head around how it is experienced in the UK. What do you tell your children? My DD is 2 and I am unsure how to shape the Christmas myth for her.

I've not grown up with him, being from the continent and all, so I figured I should ask some questions here. I've not found my British DH to be particularly useful on this topic...

By the way, this is totally inspired by that topic on AIBU.

  1. What does he bring? One present? Everything? Just the stocking?
  2. If he brings a stocking, what is in it? How many items go in a stocking?
  3. How does he deliver the presents? Does he go round in a sleigh climbing through chimneys? Is it the elves? Do they appear by magic?
  4. What is this magic everyone seems to be talking about anyway? Can Santa do magic? Do the elves do magic?
  5. Do all the presents get manufactured by his elves or does he buy them directly from toy manufacturers?
  6. What happens in a grotto?
  7. Is the Santa in the grotto the real Santa?
  8. Where did Santa come from and how old is he?
  9. Is it generally accepted that Mrs Claus exists or is that something from American movies?
10. How many elves are there? Are there any special elves? 11. Do the elves venture out of the North pole? Do they do anything else apart from on a shelf and manufacture toys? 12. What does Santa like to eat and drink? I've seen various things from milk to whiskey. Personally I wouldn't mind if he liked Bailey's hot chocolate. 13. How does he enough time to visit all the children in the world? Is it timetravel? Is it magic? Is it a combination? 14. Does he live in Lapland or the North pole? 15. Does he use technology or is he low tech? 16. Who delivers Christmas Eve boxes? Are they a generally accepted part of Christmas now and does everyone do them?

I'm sure more questions will pop up... Thanks for answering Blush

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WinkysTeatowel · 25/09/2019 14:44
  1. What does he bring? One present? Everything? Just the stocking?
Up to you, some people do all, others something else, some just have Santa as a sort of festive postman who delivers the presents. For us, Santa does the stocking and sometimes another big present but some presents also come from ‘Mummy & Daddy’
  1. If he brings a stocking, what is in it? How many items go in a stocking?
Satsuma, chocolate coins & little age appropriate presents - essentially things that fit in the stocking, could be hair clips, bath bombs, socks, little toys...
  1. How does he deliver the presents? Does he go round in a sleigh climbing through chimneys? Is it the elves? Do they appear by magic?
Santa comes down the chimney and leaves stocking by fireplace/under tree
  1. What is this magic everyone seems to be talking about anyway? Can Santa do magic? Do the elves do magic?
Santa uses magic to be able to deliver presents to all children around the world in one night plus to get down chimney (especially if you don’t actually have one)
  1. Do all the presents get manufactured by his elves or does he buy them directly from toy manufacturers?
We gloss over this a bit, but probably a bit of both
  1. What happens in a grotto?
Child gets terrified of man dressed as Santa, you try and persuade them to have a nice photo, you subsequently post photo of crying/scared child on social media, child collects age appropriate present
  1. Is the Santa in the grotto the real Santa?
Depends how savvy your child is, I think general consensus is that they are Santa’s helpers
  1. Where did Santa come from and how old is he?
North Pole, very old. Can be covered in some Christmas Movies
  1. Is it generally accepted that Mrs Claus exists or is that something from American movies?
Not a major part of Christmas in our house 10. How many elves are there? Are there any special elves? ummm I’ve never considered this..... lots? 11. Do the elves venture out of the North pole? Do they do anything else apart from on a shelf and manufacture toys? wrap presents - For the rest of the duties you need to watch Elf 12. What does Santa like to eat and drink? I've seen various things from milk to whiskey. Personally I wouldn't mind if he liked Bailey's hot chocolate. whatever you fancy, bear in mind your hot chocolate would go cold, so maybe Baileys and you could add the hot choc later! 13. How does he enough time to visit all the children in the world? Is it timetravel? Is it magic? Is it a combination? magic 14. Does he live in Lapland or the North pole? both 15. Does he use technology or is he low tech? ??? 16. Who delivers Christmas Eve boxes? Are they a generally accepted part of Christmas now and does everyone do them? Ours is delivered when The Elf (on the Shelf) goes back to Santa on Christmas Eve to help with the wrapping
CuteOrangeElephant · 25/09/2019 14:47

Thanks Winky.

That is very useful, and good point about the hot choc getting cold.

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Youseethethingis · 25/09/2019 15:01

Second everything Winky said. Will add that Santa needs a magic key if you don’t have a chimney - loads of nice ones you can get for the Christmas Eve box so that you don’t forget to leave it under the door mat for Santa!
Also, some people (like me!) prefer a 1st December box to a Christmas Eve box, so that you have all month to wear the Christmas pjs, use the Christmas tumblers and mugs etc. Also nice to add crafty bits for making decorations or cards so that you have time to enjoy that in the run up to the big day [santa]

CuteOrangeElephant · 25/09/2019 15:05

This is the first I have heard about a magic key!
Luckily my house is blessed with four fireplaces and two chimney stacks so I suspect the big man will be fine Wink

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MyDcAreMarvel · 25/09/2019 15:08

Ahh yes the magic key- card factory sell them for 99p, essential if no chimney.m Don’t forget a carrot for Rudolph, you can bite this and spit bits of carrot in Rudolph’s water bowl for extra magic Grin

Barbarara · 25/09/2019 15:10

You’ve forgotten about leaving carrots for the reindeer. They can’t fly if they don’t keep their strength up.

moobar · 25/09/2019 15:20

Oh this has made me all nostalgic.

This year I have long awaited DD, and this made me excited. I think for me part of it will be the magic, just the excitement you can't explain. I suppose the lovely thing is it can be different in every house but still magic.

As kids we never got any presents other than stockings until after meal. Mum was a nurse and always worked an early, dad cooked. We often went with her to the ward.

I would sort of like to continue that with DD and take her to visit elderly housebound neighbours. Dh also wants to do footprints on the hearth and looking for lights in the sky. We are remote so might involve a walk on Christmas Eve for that.

Enjoy op and all.

Maxineputyourredshoeson · 25/09/2019 15:21

Honestly OP try not to overthink it, most Father Christmas stories tend to just happen and most, if not all, families have their own way of doing Father Christmas - he’s always FC in our house, never Santa.

FC just delivers the presents in our house, this has evolved from our DD’s coming Christmas shopping when they were younger, although we never bought their presents we would buy them for others and it just went from there.

We have never done elf on a shelf, Santa cam or Christmas Eve boxes - our DD’s do get new pyjamas on Christmas Eve though, something that both of our families have done for years so we carried on that tradition.

We leave a glass of milk and a mince pie for FC, and a carrot for the reindeer although we have been known to forget Blush Since the DD’s have got older (their 7 and 9 almost 10 at Christmas) they have made reindeer food (no glitter) to throw out in the front garden.

We have a key for FC to get in, even when we had a chimney.

He lives in the North Pole and it’s just FC magic how he manages to get around the world, we follow the NORAD tracker.

I also get the free video from Portable North Pole and the free latter from FC from Royal Mail. We don’t tend to go to a grotto.

But all in all, I would say do what you feel is right. Our story probably sounds weird to some, tbh it sounds weird to me half the time Grin but it’s made up from stuff that has been asked and I haven’t been quick enough to think on my feet but, it works for us.

PushkinTheCat · 25/09/2019 15:28

Yep, Father Christmas is a bit like Hermes or Yodel in my family - parents go without kids to see Father Christmas and discuss presents their child would like, and then FC delivers based on what he can carry and on budget. This worked well for me as a child.Smile

Every family does things differently. In my family, it was present sacks (stockings) in the morning which FC brought, and then tree presents (from family members, eg siblings/cousins) in the afternoon. I know other families where FC brings stockings full of small presents and the bigger gifts are from parents.

LifeSpectator · 25/09/2019 15:29
  1. Do all the presents get manufactured by his elves or does he buy them directly from toy manufacturers?
We gloss over this a bit, but probably a bit of both

we stressed both, because if there ever comes a time when there is a very specific thing they want and you cant get thats because santa has to share things evenly, and he can only get x from the shops. also helps explain how faulty items can be returned.

  1. it could be the real santa , he can pop in and out of places to talk to specific kids, hence they have to behave when queing.

In my house santas presents are never wrapped because he simply has too many children the world over to see to and cannot see the point of wrapping paper for kids, all presents are delivered downstairs, my closest friend kids only get one present from santa wrapped at foot of bed , the rest from mum and dad, the kids never seemed to think it odd it was different in differnt homes. We dont do a present from mum and dad, but told kids we did make a finantial contribution to santa ( which he can use however he wants) as it explains stuff they see on tv for various charity saying kids wont get anything at christmas. So fine to add in what will suit you

Leleophants · 25/09/2019 15:30

This is all up to you and just a bit of fun! Everyone does it differently so you can make your own traditions :) maybe he doesn't really have a beard and he comes Christmas Eve or maybe he doesn't come at all. If you're not into it then don't bother as it won't be as fun!

BiddyPop · 25/09/2019 15:33

I'll start off by saying that Father Christmas is called many names and operates in many different ways in different countries and even within different branches of the same families... - he is magical, but HOW he is magical is different so that makes it easier to decide how YOUR FAMILY want to approach it.

On your questions:

1. What does he bring? One present? Everything? Just the stocking?
It depends.

In our family, he brings some presents (sometimes 1 big present, sometimes it is a few smaller ones) and a stocking (loosely based on "the poem" but plenty in it - I'll get to that later). But there is always a present under the tree from DH and I for DD as well. Because there are presents under the tree from us to others, and from others to all 3 of us.

The only presents from Santa are those which DH and I, as his delegated Elves, get.

But I have seen others where ALL the presents for the DCs come from Santa, and only adults have presents under the tree (or adults get no presents in some cases). Or there are presents from others under the tree but none from Mum and Dad to the DCs because everything they bought (as Elves) is from Santa.

2. If he brings a stocking, what is in it? How many items go in a stocking?
See, I knew there'd be this question! Xmas Grin
Poem: Something you want, something you need, something to eat and something to read.
Basically, a mix of fun stuff and some practical (but nice versions of) things too.

Our "eat" is always some perfect fruit and some nice sweets, sometimes there have been interesting portion packs of biscuits or cereal from overseas etc.
Read - always at least 1 book, fiction, but sometimes a non-fiction book on an interest DC has or a 2nd fiction book might make its way there too.
Want - any kinds of fun stuff that we think DC would enjoy
Need - nice hair bobbins, character underwear, fancy socks, nice colouring pencils, a good pen.....useful things but nice versions that might not normally be bought. Could include travel sized toiletries as DC get older, or a gift card for places like McDs/Starbucks to go with friends....plectrums for a guitar player, tennis balls for a tennis player, paintbrushes or small sketch pad for someone who likes art....

There's often an overlap between the categories.
I do try and avoid cheap plastic things (pocket money items) although I have bought firecracker snaps before. But by keeping an eye out all year, I often find things like wooden toys, nice marbles, mini science kits or slinky's, things to add to existing collections, etc, and I have made a few things over the years as well.

The stocking is not huge (in real size, about 14" long and 8" wide, ish) so it is full enough to be bulky, usually with something spilling out onto the floor beside it, but not bags and bags of things.

3. How does he deliver the presents? Does he go round in a sleigh climbing through chimneys? Is it the elves? Do they appear by magic?
Yes, drives a sleigh pulled by 8 reindeer (Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donder, Blitzen) and Rudolph at the front with his red nose pointing the way. (Mix up between Twas the Night Before Christmas book and Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, which have both entered common lore). Lots of magic involved.
The Santa Clause, a film starring Tim Allen, explains it well! Xmas Grin

4. What is this magic everyone seems to be talking about anyway? Can Santa do magic? Do the elves do magic?
Yes, see above.

5. Do all the presents get manufactured by his elves or does he buy them directly from toy manufacturers?
It's a combination. Most films refer to the Elves workshops making everything (and wrapping everything in some cases). But there are also sooooo many DCs around the world that most parents know the Elves can't make everything for all of them. So sometimes some Elves go out and buy some things from other toy factories, like you see in shops. (Some Elves are very good at negotiations with factories and get everything there for the DCs on their lists, while other really lucky Elves have good relationships with some toymaker Elves and can get some things from the workshop).

6. What happens in a grotto?
Usually, Santa gets to talk to the DCs who come to visit, let him know what they might want from him, and maybe an Elf might take a photo or give them a present.

Some grottos have things for DCs to do with Santa or his helpers (baking with Mrs Claus, seeing Santa's hedgehog friend having a winter sleep and planting a tree, colouring a picture or painting a decoration....) but usually these are not in shops but in places like NT houses, or Winter Wonderland type venues.

7. Is the Santa in the grotto the real Santa?
Not normally, no, because there are lots of LOTS of grottos - have you not realised you see one at the supermarket and then he's in another shop, and then he's at the school fair, and how can he be everywhere?!

So there are lots of helpers who work in the Grottos, and give the real Santa lots of feedback, so all the messages the DCs give to every Santa get to the North Pole.

And the REAL Santa does go to some Grottos to meet some DCs himself, so you never know if you are talking to a helper Santa or the Real Santa!!

8. Where did Santa come from and how old is he?
Lots of theories on this one. But the Saint Nicholas story is a lovely one about giving gifts. There are people who think Santa is something like the Queen, and his child takes over at some point when the current Santa gets too old - Arthur Christmas is a good movie showing this dynasty idea. But he is certainly very very old. Have you not seen his snowy white beard!!

9. Is it generally accepted that Mrs Claus exists or is that something from American movies?
Absolutely, she looks after Santa and is a great source of fun (and of baking!) at the North Pole. (Lots of Elves are good bakers too!). And welcomes Santa home again at the end of his long annual flight.

10. How many elves are there? Are there any special elves?
Hundreds. Probably some. Films differ, but a nice place to learn about Elves is the Santa Update website, which explains all about Elves (and the whole North Pole operation) and also has a Santa Tracker running on Christmas Eve (slightly out of sync with the NORAD version - but both are great fun!).

11. Do the elves venture out of the North pole? Do they do anything else apart from on a shelf and manufacture toys?
Well they have to mind the reindeer, and someone has to cook for the other Elves and Santa, and make (or repair) the sleigh, and keep the North Pole neat and tidy.....and negotiate with the toy factories as well. Some also help to keep an eye on all the DCs around the world, and to compile the lists and answer (some of) the letters sent to Santa.

12. What does Santa like to eat and drink? I've seen various things from milk to whiskey. Personally I wouldn't mind if he liked Bailey's hot chocolate.
In our house, he likes milk (we're afraid of drink-flying). Growing up, he used to like Guinness. I know in another house, he always drains the flask of hot chocolate that the DCs leave out for him. I suspect he likes the variety though, I mean, imagine drinking 2 billion glasses of milk in 1 night!
The same goes for food - DC makes cookies every year (I keep a half batch of dough in the freezer to just slice and bake, just in case we don't have time to do them properly!), but lots of families will leave out a mince pie, slice of cake, biscuits from a packet - whatever they think he'd like.

Lots of families also leave out a carrot or stick of celery or an apple for the Reindeer too.

13. How does he enough time to visit all the children in the world? Is it timetravel? Is it magic? Is it a combination?
Combination. Again, Santa Update website is good on this, or The Santa Clause movie. And Christmas Eve night lasts a long time, as there is time differences to take into account across the globe! Some DCs are waking up with their presents already on Christmas morning (Japan, Australia etc) before Santa has even finished delivering in places like USA and Brazil.

14. Does he live in Lapland or the North pole?
Technically, he lives at the North Pole, but that used to be very near to Lapland years ago (magnetic variation means the actual North Pole moves around a bit), so you can use either or both.

15. Does he use technology or is he low tech?
I think, while he likes low tech, he does actually use technology to help him out. He still uses the reindeer to fly, and likes real letters, but has mechanised lots of manufacturing at the toy workshop (but there are still Elves doing things by hand). And he probably does use some of the protections in the Santa Clause and Arthur Christmas really - like navigation and something to protect against scorching in some houses where people forget to not light the fire on 24th!

16. Who delivers Christmas Eve boxes? Are they a generally accepted part of Christmas now and does everyone do them?
OOOh, that's another controversial question with no right or wrong answers.
In our house, Santa has never had an involvement in the Christmas Eve box, it has always been MY job. And partly explains why many things are re-used every year (Twas the night before Christmas book, plastic plate and glass with Santa on it from when DC was a toddler, Snowman-covered hot water bottle etc) as well as new things I would know we need like PJs and some nice hot chocolate and a Christmassy bath bomb.

But in some houses, Elves leave the box early in the day or late in the evening. The evening ones are usually similar to ours, but the earlier ones sometimes have things like a Christmassy craft, a DVD to watch, or tickets to a Panto, inside them.

And there are lots and lots of houses that don't have a CEB at all.

I hope that helps you a little! Xmas Grin Enjoy figuring it out for YOUR family.

From BiddyPop, a certified Christmas nut!! Xmas Grin

BiddyPop · 25/09/2019 15:36

And I spent so long writing, you've got loads of great answers!

IggyAce · 25/09/2019 15:36

In our house Santa brings one gift per child from his work shop. The rest are from us or whoever the tag says.
On Christmas Eve we leave a plate with a cookie/cake on for Santa and a carrot for Rudolph. We also leave him a drink (milk or whiskey)

RedSheep73 · 25/09/2019 15:36

Every family does it a bit differently, there isn't really a consensus. Just keep it fairly basic as your child will be bombarded with it at nursery/school/on the telly for the next few years, you won't need to tell them much anyway.

RedSheep73 · 25/09/2019 15:39

What even is a Christmas Eve box anyway?

SquintEastwood · 25/09/2019 15:41

I think "Santa" brings something different to every house really. We've never built it up so much tbh as Christmas is about family and fun for us rather than a notion of magic - I've let my kids (13 and 6) guide us in what they believe. I can't say it's made it any less special in comparison to others who go full on Santa 🙂

  1. Stocking and 1 special gift.
  1. It depends - generally it's socks, t-shirt, pants/boxers, bubble bath, 2x small novelty items e.g. Jacobs ladder, Top Trumps and a chocolate Santa.
  1. Mine have never questioned it, we don't have a chimney or magic keys etc so I guess they just appear.
  1. The only magic mine associate with Santa is his flying sled which they got from movies.
  1. We've never given any thought to this.
  1. You pay stupid money to see Santa, kid sits by Santa and tells him what they want - usually 5 minute visits -, Santa gives a random gift and elf takes a photo.
  1. Led by child's beliefs, #1 never believed really (very sceptical and logical kid), #2 believes.
  1. North Pole.
  1. Never been brought up.

10/11. Never given elves much acknowledgement.

  1. Santa likes milk and a mince pie, carrot for reindeer. Neither of mine bothered much though, that's just something I did/do for traditions sake.

  2. Never really been brought up.

  3. North Pole

  4. Never been brought up.

  5. We don't do Christmas Eve boxes as such, as a kid I was always allowed to open 1 gift - miraculously it always contained new pyjamas (not christmassy), a bath bomb, an expandable face cloth and a sachet of hot chocolate and mini marshmallows! I do the same now 😁

SquintEastwood · 25/09/2019 15:41

Meant to add, do what works for you. Not what other families do!

TheGirlWhoLived · 25/09/2019 15:42

@CuteOrangeElephant I don’t know how to put this but..... he’s made up...

Which means all the rules are made up too! That’s the joy of having your own children- ours has a phone number- can only be reached by one particular phone though (a payphone handily situated near a gorgeous hotel dh and I go to every year for my birthday in mid December) , so he can get last minute requests or be updated if the girls are naughty

BertrandRussell · 25/09/2019 15:44

Do your cultural traditions too!

HugTrees · 25/09/2019 15:47

Just brings stockings here. All tree presents are by who bought them. Love the sound of the 1st December box over the Christmas Eve box.

We do not say that the smoke alarms or elf is watching you. That’s just creepy.

CuteOrangeElephant · 25/09/2019 15:50

@TheGirlWhoLived Shock

On that thread in AIBU it almost seemed as if there was a set of rules people should adhere too, but it seems now that there are many ways of including Santa Smile

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CuteOrangeElephant · 25/09/2019 15:52

@BertrandRussell (awesome username) traditions in my country are pretty much related around food, easy enough to slot more traditions in Wine

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Livebythecoast · 25/09/2019 15:55

Santa in our house just gave stocking presents. Why should he have all the credit for the main expensive present?!
I remember one year my DD was about 4 and was misbehaving so I said I was ringing Santa and called her Dad at work who talked to her in a disguised voice! She was as good as gold after that!
And don't get me started on the Easter bunny; he poo's in your slippers if you've been naughty and one year she woke up shouting 'mummy, there's no poo in my slippers' 🤣. I look back and think how cruel we were! She's 15 now and laughs about it but will probably get us back when we're old and frail.
Sorry OP, I digress. You've had some excellent advice from PP.

Ninkaninus · 25/09/2019 15:57

Lots of good answers already. I am Danish so Christmas was always on 24th and presents done in the evening after Christmas dinner. Along with dancing round the Christmas tree, etc etc. I did it the English way when my girls were little though, since we live in England.

Just popped in to say whatever you do please don’t make too big a deal of the Christmas Eve box, with presents and all sorts of tat! Otherwise you will set yourself up to have to top it year on year which is silly when you’re going to do presents the next day.

If I were to do a Christmas box I would do it like this:

Christmas pyjamas, new (they can keep wearing them throughout the winter, so it’s a useful purchase, and this way they will always have lovely new pyjamas for the photos on Christmas morning).

Christmas mugs (re-use these every year) and hot chocolate, marshmallows, etc.

Christmas DVD to watch.

Christmas book to read before bedtime.