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Where would be the most Christmassy place abroad to spend Christmas?

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TheHouseofMirth · 05/11/2011 18:48

MIL wants to take us all away for Christmas next year. I have been left to research/organise it but unfortunately, in her head she has created some kind of Christmas Utopia incorporating the best bits of Lapland, Austria and Switzerland and I'm afraid I'm going to disappoint her.

I'm guessing apart from the Santa experience there probably isn't much in Lapland (and I don't think she'll like the food, which is whole other headache) but I don't think they really go in for Father Christmas in Austria. I'm also concerned that many other European countries celebrate Christmas on days other than 25th.

Has anyone got any wisdom they can share with me please?

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Popbiscuit · 05/11/2011 21:10

I am dying with laughter at BETHLEHEM.

My parents lived in Geneva for a few years and I visited there over Christmas once.
It was like something from a Christmas card; absolutely magical. Think little bakeries, alpine shopfronts, cobbled streets, fairy lights, cozy jumpers and fondues. Lovely.

Mount Tremblant here in Canada (Quebec) is quite magical at Christmas-time as is Banff (Alberta).

PortoTreasonAndPlot · 05/11/2011 21:11

Or somewhere like Mayrhofen or Zell am Zee in Austria?

TheHouseofMirth · 05/11/2011 21:33

Now I'm feeling guilty for thinking the epitome of Christmas is somewhere with snow and sleigh rides rather than stables and stars.

But as I do...yes Porto infact I was actually just off Googling Zell Am Zee. Looks sufficiently snowy and is only an hour or so from Salzburg by train.

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orienteerer · 05/11/2011 21:41

Yep, snow not a definite for Vienna. Seefeld is a good compromise, a 30 min direct train ride from Innsbruck so you can combine city & snow.

TheHouseofMirth · 05/11/2011 22:04

Seefeld looks good orienteerer. Have you been?

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onwardandupwards · 05/11/2011 22:05

Spent 5 years in Hameln Germany and that was amazing, they got everything just right, then i spent christmas in Lapland and that topped everything, dc went on a husky ride through the snow, went on a reindeer ride, made cookies with an elf, met Santa the whole thing was fab, we even flew across the North Pole!! Cant wait to go again!

Binfullofmaggotsonthe45 · 05/11/2011 22:23

Hi I live in Switzerland, and I'm going to Lapland for Christmas lol!

No sleigh rides here, sledging and skiing tho'?There are some lovely Christmas markets in Basel, Montreaux (you can also ride the glacier express to the top of the alps and see Santa from Montreaux, and ridethe chocolate train!), Zurich etc. It is typical for the Swiss to have fondue Chinoise, not turkey or goose these days...

Nurnberg also has a great Christmas Market and a cozy Christmas feeling - i was there on Friday and it felt quite Christmassy!

I have been told that the best Christmas market is in Stuttgart?

I went to Gothenborg 3 times with my dh and ds and visited Liseberg (pronounced Lisaberry) which is a park decorated with a million white lights and the place, and the whole city is truly magical at Christmas. The Swedes really know how to do Christmas, and we have taken a lot of their traditions into our own Christmas now.

New York at Christmas is amazing - i have promised my son a "Home Alone" type visit, (before I realised he was staying at the Plaza [gulp])

For Santa, sleigh rides, huskies and the whole authentic experience it would have to be Lapland though? I can fill you in on my experience after Christmas? We are staying in a log cabin there over Christmas this year.

I also fancy Vienna, perhaps renting a city apartment with huge windows, wood floors and beautiful fireplace etc, or a log cabin in a wood in Scotland.

As someone living abroad i have to say, you must be accepting to Christmas traditions foods etc of the place you visit. It's no fun finding your way to a turkey, crackers (don't do them here) or a packet of paxo in a short time and a foreign language. I had great fun last year trying to explain suet and goose fat to the supermarket assts!!!

orienteerer · 06/11/2011 07:24

TheHouseofMirth - yes I've been to Seefeld, went in mid December so it was very quiet as only just opening up for the season. It attracts alot of none skiers as it only has a couple of smallish downhill ski areas, plenty of cross country skiing, prepared walking paths and lots of opportunity for horse drawn carriage rides. Also a skating & curling rink. The train ride into Innsbruck is lovely. We stayed here which was nice (except for bar prices).

ENormaSnob · 06/11/2011 12:28

Centreparcs.

Sassyfrassy · 06/11/2011 12:35

www.salen.se/

This is where I am hoping to take the family next year. You get a decent amount of hours in the day and if you have a chalet with kitchen you can make your own turkey dinner. The rest of Sweden will be celebrating on christmas eve with smargosbord. You can go for sleigh rides, skiing and all sorts.

TheHouseofMirth · 06/11/2011 21:39

Oh, I thought we'd settled on Salzburg and now you're adding alternatives to the mix. I am such a perfectionist that this whole process is actually torture.

Onwardandupward can you please tell me more about how long you spent in Lapland and where you stayed? It wasn't naff or cheesy?

Binfullofmaggotsonthe458 lots of suggestions, thank you. Would love to hear how you found Lapland when you get back. Can you possibly send me a link to where you are staying? And no, we're not desperate for turkey (in fact I'd happily eat picked herring all day) but MIL just has to eat a fairly resticted diet which can make life a little tricky even when we're at home...

orienteerer that hotel looks spot on. I've never come across a hotel website which shows the possible room configuations so usefully as well. Can't imagine your bar bill was worse than the 15 euros for a gin & tonic which we paid in Italy this summer!

Sassyfrassy website looks great but my Swedish is non-existent!

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attheendoftheday · 06/11/2011 22:21

There might be more to do in Lapland than you're imagining. Roveniemi in Finland has a lot to do. There is a Santa Claus village nearby on the arctic circle (with a very good multi-lingual Santa Claus), on that site there's also a Santa Claus post office, husky rides, christmas stalls and shops. There are a lot of companies in Rovaniemi offering activities like reindeer sleigh rides, husky sled rides, skidoo safaris, cross country skiing, walking in snow shoes, visiting lappish villages and reindeer farms. There's a really good safari park nearby to see all the scandinavian wildlife. Also an excellant museum. Plenty of shopping, restaurants etc, also plenty of western restaurants if you don't like Finnish food (also the most northern McDonalds in the world). As a plus you may well see the northern lights. There are direct flights from London too. Some details are here.

Best place in the world for Christmas IMO.

onwardandupwards · 06/11/2011 23:23

Attheendoftheday said it all, i went for 3 days we flew from bristol and the whole thing was fab, we are going again soon. Would recomend it to anyone.

Binfullofmaggotsonthe45 · 06/11/2011 23:36

We are actually staying at the cabins in Santa Claus Village

www.santaclausholidayvillage.fi/

however we'll be seeing the real Santa in Joulukka.

CheerfulYank · 06/11/2011 23:50

Minnesota! We've got more snow than you can shake a stick at. And you could come visit meeeeeeeeeee.... :)

tigerlillyd02 · 07/11/2011 00:56

I've only ever been to Copenhagen in Denmark at christmas (think it was the beginning of Dec) and that was fabulous. Tivoli gardens is the most christmassy place I've ever seen and really wow'd me! I've not been anywhere else so can't compare. It's extremely expensive over there though - I prob wouldn't go back for that reason!

quietlyafraid · 07/11/2011 22:06

I LOVE cold countries and snow for holidays and been a few. I'm a big kid!

Agree with tigerlilly. No where has been as christmassy as Copenhagen.
Christmas in a box as you imagine as a kid is Tivoli Gardens. The decorations, the rides and the atmosphere. You won't get snow, but you don't need it.
And for the grown ups the christmas beers are out of this world. Just only go for a half or you'll be staggering (they are 10% as it is!!!). We went to Copenhagen between christmas and new year. If you go to Germany I think a lot of places have finished by then. Depends on where you go.

Iceland is fab. Reykjavik is a lovely little city. Theres plenty of little things to do (Blue Lagoon, lots of waterfalls, whale watching etc) plus european christmas market. Its hit and miss with snow around christmas. You might get it, you might not.

I got married in Swedish Lapland (Icehotel). The food was pretty much a choice between reindeer (or moose or elk), lingonberrys (little red berries) and fish. I love reindeer - its like venison - but after 4 days of huge meat chunks, your guts start giving a protest. They do have other stuff but it seemed fairly limited. It was an amazing place, and we got to go husky dog sledging (NOT CHEAP) which was brilliant, but stinky and not too children friendly. I believe some of the other Igloo Hotels in lapland though. There is a couple in Finland which are cheaper, such as Roveniemi mentioned above. (You usually stay in warm rooms for all but one night - trust me as amazing as it is, you only need one night!). Of course you are guarenteed snow.

As for daylight hours. The lack of daylight wasn't a problem but does mess with your body clock. 4 hours of daylight is weird. You are unlikely to go too far north anywhere in Lapland that gives you much less than that. Its enough time to do a daytime activity but there are things you can do in evenings as they are geared up for the lack of light. The thing you need to watch out for more in Lapland is the temperature. At the Icehotel it dropped to -19C at night. It is a different kind of cold though - a dry cold not a wet cold. So it doesn't get in your bones. Just wrap up well. The Icehotel provided clothing free of charge - I don't know if other places do too.

Its worth knowing that 2012/2013 is a solar maximum. This means its a really good time to head to Iceland & Lapland (either Norway, Sweden, Finland) or to Canada. You have the best opportunity in 11/12 years to see the Northern Lights. If thats not Christmassy, I'm not sure what is!

As for dates, it depends on where you go. 25th Dec is generally UK, but everything is still closed in Europe. Normally it seems to be 6th Dec (for kids) and 24th (for family) but it depends on country. Unless you are at a resort, don't expect much to be open 24th/25th Dec.

Talinn is next on my list for next year. I've hear some amazing stuff about the place AND ITS CHEAP. They should have snow by Christmas time at least. Its a little too south for Northern lights though.

Lapland (especially Norweigian Lapland) is horribly expensive. Iceland is reasonable at the moment. Switzerland is horrendous. Don't think Austria is great either.

Sadly I can't give you any information about Austria or Switzerland, but I think I've probably just rambled on for long enough anyway!!!!

Binfullofmaggotsonthe45 · 08/11/2011 12:36

Hi I disagree, I don't think Switzerland is horrendous. The Franc has been pegged to the Euro at 1.2 so it's more reasonable than ever. There are certain items that are expensive - Fast Food, Starbucks etc, but entry to museums, public transport, local restaurants can be quite reasonable these days.

The hotel prices are actually not to bad either, depending on the popularity of the resorts.

And tis isn't just because I earn a Swiss salary and pay Swiss tax - I am always in my head converting to GBP!!!

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