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What does scripture say about church going and the church today.

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Justmerach · 04/11/2025 05:32

Hi everyone, I have seen of a division of thought about church going and also the Holy day Sabbath/typically Sunday worship. I know some people can worship on another day-Saturday etc. When I see these divisions I tend to look into the detail to form an accurate opinion.

I thought I would look at this as there was talk online like the Holy day is no longer promoted and also posts about church going not being promoted as we can worship at home just our own Temples as we have them. It has been an interesting find. I decided this post to look at what the scripture says about church going to provide accurate information on this question.

This post is about the holy day (Sabbath/Sunday) and just regular church going. This post has been written using vintage Bible notes, the consensus of several church ministers, lived experience of myself and others who are Christians of varying views on church going and also the Sabbath and it is supported by Biblical scripture and it reflects the modern day church.

Jesus asks Christians to take the Sacraments in his memory (Matthew 26: 26-29) and we usually do this at church.

The Bible also states that we should not give up gathering together to worship as members of the Body of Christ (Hebrews 10:25). "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." Christians are strengthened by praying together and for the world and they can also be strengthened by the Sabbath/Sunday rest. God's wants his people to enter into a spiritual rest (Hebrews 4:10).

Jesus himself would worship his father on the Sabbath as well as custom please see scripture evidence for it- (Luke 4:16-21). Jesus also said his house is a house of prayer for all nations (Mark 11:17). Then he taught, saying to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations’? Jesus also indicated the disciples would be keeping the Sabbath after his ascension (Matthew 24:20).

There is a physical church, whether it is online in a house church or in person in a building and there is a community of believers who are actually members of the church and members of the Body of Christ and both of these are important (Ephesians 1:22-23).

Some people to misunderstand this scripture (Matthew 18:20)-" Where two of us are gathered together...I will be in the midst of them."This scripture is about reconcilation within church members.

Jesus also said that-think not that I have come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I have not come to destroy/break the law, but to fulfil it (Matthew 5:17). Jesus was about the spirit of the law to. Jesus said he is the Lord of the Sabbath and has taken authority of it for Christians, meaning that he is not bound by the restrictive legalistic restrictions of the previous law (Matthew 12:8) (Mark 2:28) Jesus has brought us the spirit of the law also-let me explain his further.

I asked my rector this question and they said that in Christianity Jesus was about healing and miracles. Today our expectation should be that anything that helps us to heal is ok to do on the day of rest. Also doing acts of good and mercy are fine to according to by my Bible's expanded notes. Jesus also doesn't stress how many times we need to take the Sacraments in his memory, and if you are not able to take it regularly at church or (or given to at your place of rest) and are not well enough then that is ok and you could watch church online if wanted to.

Taking part in a life saving or health and safety activity too as agreed by Jewish experts today is also ok to take part on the Holy day for Christians. This question to I spoke to a Rabbi also and this is spiritual guided law today which was also in unity with a church minister. When the Bible was written a lot of conditions had not yet come to light that may also make it difficult to rest today. What I do now is do my best and aim to follow the rule, but if I cannot I try and not beat myself up for it as Jesus knows that I am doing the best that I can and to focus on health and recovery if unwell and continue to pray if well enough for that time period and I do ok because of God's grace.

To make this simply understood-
If you have no food to eat and must get food for your health-this is ok to do on the Sabbath.
A person who suffers from depression and finds gardening helpful, yes as well.
You are in a crisis mentally and need time out for therapy for autism, yes as well.
If you worship yourself in church and are too unwell to attend, Jesus simply understands and keep your faith in your heart until you are well enough.
It is about the spirit of the law, and not the letter of the law. Jesus said, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath “ (Mark 2:27). It was to be a blessing to the human family. It was intended to a blessing rather than a burden which is spirit of Jesus' teaching which stands.

You can be a Christian and not attend church, but that doesn't mean that church going is not desirable and promoted in the Bible. I never went to church for some years in my life due to being unwell and was still a Christian with a personal relationship with my faith but I still knew that church going was promoted in the Bible. I do go church today and have found the ideal church for me now I am able to attend and it is just three minutes from me in my local area and fits perfect all of my needs.You should always feel welcome to go to church, no matter how long you have been away from it, as we are a family in Christ.

The following scriptures are used inaccurately by some people to support no longer having the need to attend church and say that we are under Jesus new law and the Sabbath is no longer required because we are covered by him-

(Colossians 2:16) “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days” This scripture does not support us terminating the Sabbath -but it encourages us not to be put off by those who may ridicule you or try and put you off from upholding it or whatever you choose to do (Colossians 2:16). This scripture is at essence about us avoiding to judge another. This is to supported by ordained ministers who I asked to validate this.

(Hebrews 4:1) “Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.” This scripture is also used to support not upholding the Sabbath. This scripture does not ask us to stop upholding the Sabbath, but it questions us and guides to enter into a deeper spiritual relationship with Jesus rather than just worshipping and not developing your spiritual life. Developing spiritually through the Holy Spirit helps you to develop your spiritual journey with Christ.

There is also mention of the Commandments in the Book of Revelations-(Revelations 22:14). "Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city." God in the Ten Commandments asks us to worship on the Sabbath day which is still expected and desirable. “All his commandments. They stand for ever and ever; they are done in truth and equity” as (Psalm 111) tells us. This is again relayed in (Revelations 14:12) "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Some people see keeping all the Commandments as the way of the Saints, but that is for you to decide.
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The Sabbath continues in this same assembly in the New Heaven and New Earth (Isa 66:23) (Mal3:6 )(Heb 13:8) just as it was on earth for the apostles decades after the Cross following in the example set forth by Jesus. For new believers in Christ the message of Acts 15 becomes clear about effectively our bottom line for new Christians. Through the works of Christ alone what Act 15 points out is that salvation is by faith through grace alone which are the most important things that we should rest on as Christians-but the church remains promoted and spiritually enriching, but if you are not able to attend it does not rest on your salvation to eternal life, which rests on Christ alone and our spirit will bear witness to the truth.

Within the Council of Jerusalem the Mosaic law of circumcision was removed in (Leviticus 22:3) for new Jewish converts to Christianity in Acts 15 and this became optional, but there was no mention of the Sabbath being mentioned on the list of behaviours/things to avoid for new believers. Act 15 listed things to avoid, not what to do-it also didn't mention the 1st Commandment for Christians as said by Jesus Christ which was to love God 1st and respect others as the 2nd Commandment (Matthew 22:38). Acts 15 does not cover the full scope of Christian spiritual guidance

Acts 15 is about stopping people from falling into legalism and trying to bring in other rules, plus stopping dissension amongst different believers. Acts 15 is part of what happened as the church developed and people worked out what it means to follow Jesus Christ from a variety of different prior perspectives. The council came up with four basic things to start with so new Christian converts would not be overwhelmed. Nowhere in this scripture is mentioned that God’s Sabbath was set aside. Jesus position was clearly stated in (Matthew 5: 17-19) and stands.

Jesus resurrection was on the first day of the week and this has symbolic meaning for Christians. It is a day of rest and it continues the older tradition. Jesus came to fulfil the law and you can worship in a church on any of the day of the week it is open too, and you set that as your holy day if you choose to if it burdens you less. Jesus came to bring the law to its logical conclusion and not break the law and he fulfilled the law. In terms of this-if you are burdened by Sabbath or any other day as a holy day think about if you want to keep it as you should do it freely and form your own conclusions (Romans 14:5-6).In (Acts 20:7) the apostles also continued to worship on the Sabbath after Jesus resurrection. Good news, is it that it does not mention that women should not be involved in ministry.

So in summary The holy day Sabbath/Sunday continues in the New Testament and regular church going in addition or in place of the traditional holy day if it meets your needs better and is less of a burden to partake on other days of the week at your own will depends on your own choice.

The early church to went from taking place in small private gatherings where they went out to distribute the Eucharist to taking place in more established church's today with online services to follow later.

Baptism and other ceremonies to like Confirmation and being Christened happen through the church today whether outside or inside. The Bible closely links Baptism to the giving of the Holy Spirit (Luke 3:16) and Jesus told us to be born of water and spirit-Jesus stated that, "Truly, truly, I tell you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” (John 3:5) (Acts 16 31-34).

So worshipping via a church on Sunday is promoted in the Bible (or on any other day to and I can attend weekday mass at times) and having a Temple of the Holy Ghost which has been given to them by God's Holy Spirit through faith (1 Corinthians 6) does not mean that church going is not promoted. God in Psalm 104- "(Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth") gives us our spirit at birth and then we adorn our new Holy spirit when we become born of water and spirit as Christians through baptism with the Holy Spirit. Whether you have been given the Holy spirit through God’s grace and your faith or not we are all expected to honour our spirit and body whether baptised or not (1 Corinthians 6:12-20).

We can honour our spirit and do spiritual things of the spirit like truth, not being proud, envy, evil behaviour, love, and not be carnal minded. However, this is not justification to be used to exclude church going because we have our own spirit and to worship our Holy Temples at home alone not in acts of praise if you are a Christian. If you do not wish to attend church then it is your right, but this argument is not supported in the Bible. Paul asking us to glorify own Holy Temple with the Holy Spirit was to respect the Holy Temple that we have of God's and is limited to that (1 Corinthians 6).

Revelations (1:20) speaks about the candlesticks of the church's-in relation to this post, this means most simply that church's have a divine calling and value to Christ today to bring light to the world.

I will share this message from another Christian to end this post-

The vast majority of Christians have been taught to see Sabbath keeping in a light of harmful, arrogant self-righteousness. If someone keeps the Sabbath, then it seems they must be falling back the Mosaic Law, trying to work their way to heaven like a Pharisee of old.

I attend church on Saturday/Sabbath. But I am very aware that I am an errant and sinful human being, with no hope of salvation without the kindness and mercy of a loving Saviour, Jesus. And isn't Christ what it is all about in the end? Ultimately, I think it is important to point out the facts, Bible texts and logic of Sabbath keeping. But if it is not done through and for Christ, then it has no meaning at all. And under the spirit of Pharisee-ism, Sabbath-keeping can become just as burdensome as when the rulers wanted to kill Jesus for healing on the Sabbath.

We must all follow Christ, asking for the gift of the Holy Spirit to help us understand God's will for us. Because otherwise all the facts and details become just more points of confusion. Before I try to get the spec out of my brother's eye by teaching them the importance of remembering that God created the world in 6 days and rested and sanctified the 7th, I must ask for God's help to get the log of all my sins and wrong-doing out of my own eyes!

Returning to my post-

Also, the Holy Spirit is present at Church’s if people worship appropriately and has given people miraculous healings and miracles. I have felt the Holy Ghost present at church when they gave me healing in church. The Holy Spirit is the 3rd attribute of God and so God is still present in Church and The gifts of the Holy Spirit are for believers and used to serve the church as well, like with laying on hands, people can receive healing as well. I felt like I had to post though to clear this thing this being misused on social media to try and justify not attending church. Peace to you all.

I would also suggest for the more spiritual personal reasons that you read this article to why Church going is desirable. This document is used internally in many church's to guide people on church going.
www.gospelimprint.com/GI-documents/Leaflets/07-03.15-Back%20to%20Church.pdf

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ChristmasStars · 04/11/2025 07:34

I'm sorry but that's such a long post and I don't have time to read it. I just saw this bit:
I thought I would look at this as there was talk online like the Holy day is no longer promoted and also posts about church going not being promoted as we can worship at home just our own Temples
I don't know any Christians who say that so I'm not sure it's a discussion worth getting into.

If someone says it and is a Christian I would ask them if there's a reason they don't go to church. Usually I would guess it comes from past hurt rather than theology.

If it's not a Christian saying it then I think they need to discover Jesus first.

Either way I would encourage them to get to know Jesus better. He can lead them.

FuzzyPuffling · 04/11/2025 07:58

Agree with ChristmasStars
It's too long a post for me to read. Maybe you could do a summary at the top with two or three bullet points?

Troubledwords · 04/11/2025 08:35

I couldn't read it all either, but it does read of, my rector said this so it's right. Not sure why you write in such a way that people should just take it as correct?

FuzzyPuffling · 04/11/2025 08:50

I go to church to enjoy a special time, with like-minded others, in the communion of Jesus Christ.
Not to fulfil any ancient Jewish laws but to worship Christ, receive forgiveness, feel acceptance and enjoy community.

It's as simple as that.

PS sometimes I even go on a Wednesday!

Justmerach · 04/11/2025 09:30

Troubledwords · 04/11/2025 08:35

I couldn't read it all either, but it does read of, my rector said this so it's right. Not sure why you write in such a way that people should just take it as correct?

Troubledwords, people shouldn't take this as correct and not question if they want to, I posted it as a conversation to see where we are at after the divisions.

To others- my mum is here and then I have to get ready to go out myself. I will see if I can post bullet points later.

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FuzzyPuffling · 04/11/2025 09:31

What divisions?

Justmerach · 04/11/2025 09:47

FuzzyPuffling · 04/11/2025 09:31

What divisions?

These are the divsions/differences of thought-

  1. It has been said that we have our own Temples with the Holy Spirit by those who do not appear to be a Christian/and some may be-to not have to consider church as God isn't in it church now it is empty of God they say. I think this has gained traction from St Paul that our bodies are the Temples of the Holy Spirit. It is using him against him who actually did worship with others etc.

This is sort of things I read-I showed one of the rectors at my church this and it stunned them and they don't even bother trying to rely and then I was seeing incorrect information and misunderstood things that could confuse others.-

"I have been in many churches and to tell you the truth, I have learned the bible, but never really felt God's presence until I stopped searching in a church for him, it says in the bible that GOD is in NO man-made temple, don't you know YOU are the Temple. "
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The Holy Spirit supports the church today.

  1. I read that the Holy day was broken by Jesus who was charged breaking the law when he came to fulfil and not destroy but bring it to its logical conclusion discussion. Discussion was around this. Some where using this to call those who go to church on Sunday etc a Phariasee-ism...
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FuzzyPuffling · 04/11/2025 12:26

I think you should be careful, mindful and discriminatory in what you read, JustMeRach.

There is an awful lot of dross and misinformation out there. Not everything you read is true.

Justmerach · 04/11/2025 14:27

FuzzyPuffling this sort of fell into my lap last year on a forum. A post on a general forum on religion for all a thread was titled a cover all topic Do you feel God in your life and then someone went on the defensive lets say that God is it not in the church because we have our own Temples. I was stunned and tried to reply after some time as I was stunned too much. I started to look into what people are saying as well, Satan hopes to destroy the church-but it will not happen as Jesus promises us and well if I have the ability I will look into what is really the case and put accurate information out there if I can and am able.

I started reading on a Christian forum by someone in a Commandments thread that they were no longer existing although not stated as such these are in the New Testament. I googled it and was finding different information and on quite big websites that could lead people with wrong information.

That first post I mentioned some people were quite easy to change by bad information and they would say thanks for posting God isn't in the church etc.

I have been a bit online for the last 18 months but I just go back to casually posting if something appeals now and my Sunday sermon post I like updating if I can. No more topics burn me to look into it and I started voluntary work today in person and it is a good note to rest on and if it helps one the post or debate that could follow, job done. I am very quiet person and I like being in the background and it is only God that makes me more bolstered. Thank you

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LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 04/11/2025 15:50

I hope this short video will be helpful on the subject of Sabbath keeping (and other Mosaic regulations).

https://youtube.com/shorts/qcxwUD-k0Qs?si=2s-AREvjuj4Edl_1

Before you continue to YouTube

https://youtube.com/shorts/qcxwUD-k0Qs?si=2s-AREvjuj4Edl_1

ChristmasStars · 04/11/2025 16:24

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 04/11/2025 15:50

I hope this short video will be helpful on the subject of Sabbath keeping (and other Mosaic regulations).

https://youtube.com/shorts/qcxwUD-k0Qs?si=2s-AREvjuj4Edl_1

This is excellent. I have been reading Romans lately and chapter 14 is basically exactly this. We each do what we feel in our conscience, as to God. And we don't judge other people for doing it differently. Or allow other people to judge us.

At the end of the day there's only one judge anyway!

GentleSheep · 04/11/2025 22:04

The idea of having a divine spark or God inside you is Gnosticism. Having the Holy Spirit isn't the same thing at all, we aren't little gods. There's a fair bit of that around on the Internet, Gnosticism was one of the main heresies back in the days of the early church. Colossians, 1 Timothy and 1 John all warn about it.

Justmerach · 04/11/2025 22:52

GentleSheep · 04/11/2025 22:04

The idea of having a divine spark or God inside you is Gnosticism. Having the Holy Spirit isn't the same thing at all, we aren't little gods. There's a fair bit of that around on the Internet, Gnosticism was one of the main heresies back in the days of the early church. Colossians, 1 Timothy and 1 John all warn about it.

Thank you GentleSheep, I never knew this and that is very interesting so this is what they are doing.

Also, I have heard about rest in Christ-well, that Christ has given us his total rest to not need any holy days. .I can see this being taken wrongly to.not need to do more than belief at all times. Sometimes we might need to pray or attend church...I have heard of this to-

Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."

I found GotQuestions article interesting to as well, they seemed to not be a fan of the Sabbath at all.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Ten-Commandments-New-Testament.html

Are the Ten Commandments repeated in the New Testament? | GotQuestions.org

Are the Ten Commandments repeated in the New Testament? Why are only nine of the ten commandments repeated in the New Testament?

https://www.gotquestions.org/Ten-Commandments-New-Testament.html

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Justmerach · 05/11/2025 08:29

Can somebody help explain something-
God's spirit-
I love Psalm 104 "thy sendest forth thy spirit and they are created"
Number 11:17-"And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone."
Job 32:8-"But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding".
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The Holy Spirit dwells in us who are baptised with water and spirit-
(Roman 8:9), (I Corinthians 6:19-20) (Ephesians 4:30) (Ephesians 5:18).

I have always thought that all human beings when they are created God gives them all their own spirit and it contains a part of his spirit- (Pslam 4-God has severed what he wants for himself). Now to me everyone is his child and made by him, just that some didn't believe in him.

Now perhaps we are created by our parents and could have their DNA and say at baptism of the Holy Spirit he could send us his spirit.

Or it could be original man at that point his spirit was sent and at baptism we are born of spirit and water.

I wonder what some of you think about this and how it is done to you. Gnosticism has got me thinking about this about everyone in this world as I thought that everyone had God's spirit in us, and of course he created all of us-it needs understanding if we all have his spirit even if you do not believe in him say could be for generations long. I hope it is that we all as humans have his spirit.

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FuzzyPuffling · 05/11/2025 09:08

I believe that the Holy Spirit is God within me.

God above me, God beside me, God within me.

Justmerach · 05/11/2025 10:22

I have found this which seems to answer my question that we all are as humans created with God’s spirit originally and then can get the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as Christians also become born of water and spirit at baptism.

  • Job 33:4 is a verse from the Bible that reads, "The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life"

Genesis 2:7 describes the creation of the first man by the Lord God, stating that He formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed the "breath of life" into his nostrils, which made him a "living being"

My rector said to me that Gospel Coliation are quite decent to read.
Foun this on a Google search, I did think that people get the Holy Spirit when born of it with spirit and water-I was just wondering about the basic state at birth for all of humanity, just to double check, so it as I thought and well loved Pslam 104 still stands for all.

No, The Gospel Coalition teaches that
non-Christians are not born with the Holy Spirit, as they believe the Spirit is given to Christians through faith in Jesus Christ. While the group acknowledges that God's influence can be seen in all of creation, it states that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is a gift to believers that leads to spiritual new life and empowers them.
The process for Christians: The Gospel Coalition emphasizes that a person becomes a Christian when they repent and believe in Jesus, at which point they are "baptised with his Spirit".

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GentleSheep · 05/11/2025 10:24

I have always thought that all human beings when they are created God gives them all their own spirit and it contains a part of his spirit- (Pslam 4-God has severed what he wants for himself). Now to me everyone is his child and made by him, just that some didn't believe in him.

So my church (non-denominational) covered this during last Sunday's sermon on Genesis 2:7 "then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature. "

This was the gist of the sermon. God creates an inanimate man from the dust, who does not become alive until he receives the breath of God (note the difference between other creatures in creation who came forth from the ground as living creatures). God breathes into the man a soul, a very personal event He does not do for any other creature. This is NOT the same as receiving God's divinity, or a 'divine spark'. God doesn't siphon off part of His divine nature into mankind. This was a one-time event, not even Eve receives a soul in this way. The soul has a consciousness that recognises itself as an identity, as "I", different from others. We are, in effect, embodied souls. The soul lives on after death, unlike the body.

Soul and body are inherited from parents (Traducian theory) otherwise God would have to create new souls every time a new person is conceived (and we know God is resting from His Creation), however some Christians believe in the creation of new souls with each conception, but this is a problematic view as it would mean God is still creating, and also He would be putting a sinless soul into a sinful body which seems very wrong!

Our spirit is part of our soul (some Christians think it is separate, that view is more common amongst Charismatics). Our soul is the volitional part of us - it's our will, our mind, our emotions, where we make our decisions. Our spirit is naturally opposed to God due to our inherited sinful nature from Adam. When we accept Christ as our saviour, or are 'born again', the spirit within us is renewed by the now in-dwelling Holy Spirit, and will begin to change our souls (the process of sanctification). Sadly our body cannot be changed and will experience death as the penalty of sin BUT of course we will be resurrected and fully sanctified after death.

Yes everyone of us is made by God yet all are not inclined towards God (inherited sinful nature). Why do some people become believers and others not? This is where you get into Calvinism and Arminianism and whatever else and is a big subject I won't even attempt to go into, and am not really qualified to do so!

*Disclaimer: this is from my own Church's theological beliefs, yours may differ!

Justmerach · 05/11/2025 10:57

Thank you GentleSheep, fantastic information and thank you for taking the time to post it. I understood it what you posted and it makes sense.

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Catinabeanbag · 05/11/2025 16:31

One could argue that vicars don't keep Sundays as the sabbath (rest) as for them it's a work day.....
I heard a sermon once about sabbath.... the vicar said that the idea is that we take A day out of the week to rest and be with God. It's about setting that time aside, and the intention behind it. Doesn't matter what day it is. Some people can't always attend church because of work etc; I don't think God holds that against them.

Catinabeanbag · 05/11/2025 16:34

And personally I'd be wary of only reading stuff from the Gospel Coalition. They're quite evangelical and don't represent a broad range of views.

Justmerach · 15/11/2025 10:05

I wrote this a few days ago about an experience I had and it relates to this post so I thought that I would post it. I drawn a line under where my question is which comes below this.

I was having a conversation a few days ago with somebody who was in their mid 60s who had not been to a church since a child and they said to me that church’s were places where they loved to preach to everyone that they were going to hell if they couldn’t be a good enough Christian.

This caused me to pause for a while and then I said to them that church’s are changing. Although, I have never been in a church that was very hot and enflamed when talking about hell and damnation. I have heard of experiences like this from others as well.

I had to tell them my experience and what I had seen that church’s are changing and we are forming a new church, with new ministers with a different mission who are being called to serve in the ministry/and who currently serve in the ministry. In the past the topic of going to hell may have been the number one subject for sermon choice in a church.

Today though many ministers preach about love, rest in Christ, grace, forgiveness and the mercy of God. They also are beginning to involve the work of the Holy Spirit more, like with Healing and Wholeness services. Many ministers to today are very humble and modest and I have seen a difference in just over ten years as well in the new ministers who have come along in the same church. I have experienced this new change in an Anglican and Catholic church I have been to in recent years. Comforting words given today are often that just say Jesus is Lord. We are not to judge another. We still can discuss about the eternal life and hell at times as we cannot forget this, but it is done in a very compassionate way different to that of the old.

There are new ministers and some with different areas of expertise. Of course ministers can vary in different church's and according to their own personality, but definetly new ministers have come and are coming to the church and have been here for a while. One of my ministers one of their passions is to preach about the love of Christ for us. Another one of the ministers passion is to expand their knowledge about neurodiversity and they are studying an additional PHD for this to so they can be of more use to the church. Much work has been put into autism to with guides from people like Ann Memmott how church’s can adapt to make them more friendly for autistics to be involved at church. My church once a month has autism groups to and also they put on coffee groups and other social things in the calendar. There are groups to support people who are in bereavement to called Bereavement cafe in some church’s. They are meeting new diverse groups today.

They are listening and there are so many church’s out there that fit different people whether online or face to face.

I love tradition as well, but I look forward to seeing where the new church leads us to, perhaps this will be the true church that Christ has spoken about so that we can all feel welcome. The true church is being part of a spiritual body that is united in Christ's cause, which is not limited to any denomination.

Perhaps step in for a visit and coffee in one if you haven’t been for some time. You may note that there has been change some to. Early morning services are the usually most quietest. Your journey is yours and is much more than about a single church and focus on Christ alone. Although the right church can help strengthen you and your faith as a Christian.
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So, I want to ask you how do some of you define these terms
God’s grace, mercy and rest in Christ.
I think trust in God too used to be used more is being replaced with rest in Christ a bit.
Me, I will say mine
Rest in Christ-Really this is for eternal life for me. Some people may not get much rest in this world because of their situation, but they may have joy and other fruits of the spirit. It’s about knowing you are human and try and do the best you can to do his will and believe in him and trust his word which may lead you to develop a deeper spiritual relationship with your faith.

Mercy-God forgives our sins by giving his precious Son. We can call on him when we need him and he supports us and loves those that try and do his will and love him to. Jeremiah 31:3 is a verse that says, "I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. The Bible says that God doesn’t keep a record of our wrong doings if we turn away from what our doing. I went to a Catholic school and we did about divine mercy to, God meeting people in great need when they are suffering. I am putting that last sentence there for debate as I need to anaylse that myself to. God can do this, but I am sure if needs that label as the Catholic church pulled that prayer set for a while on divine mercy and I have to review it.

God’s grace-through the help of the Holy Spirit and allowing to start again when we make mistakes.

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LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 15/11/2025 12:02

Our Lord gave us His command as to our mission before He ascended into Heaven.

Matthew 28 :18-20
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen

Mark 16: 15-18
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptised will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

Luke 24: 46-49
Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And you are witnesses of these things. Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”

John 20: 21-23
”So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

Acts 1: 4-8
”And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptised with water, but you shall be baptised with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”
And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Let’s focus on doing what He has commanded us to do.

Justmerach · 15/11/2025 17:19

Thank you for writing that Leaningoneverlastingarms. I liked what you picked and it made me reflect and this one I thought of after to. I like that you took it all to basics.
I think this goes nicely to with what you selected
Jesus Fulfills the Law (Matthew 5)

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

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