Pope Leo and King Charles....

[NotrialNodeal]

https://news.sky.com/story/king-charles-to-become-first-british-monarch-to-pray-publicly-with-pope-in-500-years-13451602

Good evening all! Just seen this! Thought I would share. What do we think?

Well, they are both Christians, and what connects us is greater than what divides us, so crack on and good luck to them!

Given His Majesty’s admiration for Islam one wonders if they will be praying together in the Muslim prayer room recently opened in the Vatican? 🤔

Oh so Charles has remembered he's a Christian? 😅

I’m not sure we can go quite that far.

Ouch, judgemental or what?

I think we can. All I've seen of Charles over the past few years is him endorsing Islam, making a lot of effort to be 'inclusive' to other beliefs, and it seems like he's forgotten he's the head of the Church of England.

I couldn't sleep just now as I realised just how bad things could get for the UK - our King drifts away from his Christian roots, he is replaced by William who isn't a Christian at all and isn't interested in being head of the Church. The monarchy could fall anyway as it's gone out of the public favour, then all we are left with is increasingly awful governments. It's quite Satanic - if you were Satan what would be the ideal way to undermine an entire nation? Via its leaders, undermine the Church and the head of the Church. He doesn't care about other religions, just Christianity and Judaism, he wants those gone or corrupted.

As King he's put out notices for all the religious festivals, but he's always been Christian and quite orthodox in his faith.

I think this is great news, especially with the quiet revival we've been hearing about. Anything that shows Christian denominations getting along and working together is a good thing.

They want to pray together that is great, there should be unity in the church which Christ is the head of.

I have attended an anglican church for some time as a non demontional-for me Christ and his Holy family are the heads of the church. In fact I think you can attend and not see the King as the head of the church at all but Christ. Your attendance and belief is not dependent on Charles. It doesn't come into my worship the King being the head. It is not crucial -but I respect him as a human being and as a Christian as he says that he is. I am glad to have him and his family as our Royal family.

The church already has a Head- the Lord Jesus Christ. (Colossians 1:18)

The British Sovereign is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England
(Act of Supremacy, 1558)

Apparently King Charles will join in ecumenical prayer presided over by Pope Leo XIV for the care of creation inside the Sistine Chapel ✝️!

Absolutely. CHRIST IS KING!! King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Exactly!

Not that it’s a title he wanted, wanting instead to be called (rather self-entitled and pompously) a self-appointed ‘defender of faiths’. He soon had to drop that want on the death of his mother, when he was forced to be called Defender of THE Faith". I am surprised that, having been raised to be a future monarch, he had so little understanding of the legalities, perhaps being of the delusion ‘I will be King and can do whatever I want’ - an attitude of heart we observed being demonstrated towards his ‘flunkies’ around his problem with fountain pens when he first ascended to the throne.

I just wonder which of the many gods he wanted to defend, will he be praying to, when he has his get together with the Pope 🥸. There is always hope! 🙏

I agree with your comments re Charles and his endorsement of Islam. However I disagree with much of the rest. The royal family isn't a protective factor against awful government's (see current government and previous ones!). Neither is the Monarchy protective against Satan! Through Jesus’ death and resurrection, Satan has already been overcome! THANKS BE TO GOD 🙌

Ohhh yes I remember the fountain pen fiasco. Didn't reflect very well did it?! I took umbrage with his 'oh God, I hate this pen'. A blasphemous statement from the 'Supreme Governor of the Church of England' no less.

I understand the controversy over the defender of faiths malarkey but I also thought Queen Elizabeth echoed similar sentiments when she said the Church of England's role was to 'protect the free practice of all faiths in this country' rather than defend Anglicanism to the exclusion of others.
As a British Catholic this makes me laugh! 🙄

Whether we like it or not this is no longer a Christian (Anglican) country. King Charles is the head of state, not head of the Church as has already been said, and in a multi-faith society his role should reflect this. His private beliefs are his concern but it is exclusionary to declare that he is only defender of one faith. People of all faiths and none should be protected.

Would you prefer to go back to the days when the monarch staunchly defended one set of beliefs and routinely exiled or executed anybody who didn’t conform - Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Puritan, Muslim etc etc.

I do wonder that had the Duchess of Kent died before Queen Elizabeth would the Queen have attended her Catholic funeral, like King Charles did?

Charles met with Pope Francis, and now doing this meeting and prayer with Pope Leo, which is not something his mother would have done.

I know Catherine mentioned faith during her cancer journey, but neither her or William show much interest in it.

About Catherine not showing interest of their faith. I don't know where they stand with it. I have no idea if they attend church to. However, many people who have a faith do not verbally express it most of the time to others. I'm not saying that is right but that is how it seems to be. They may act it but not express it much. I do not follow the royals but Catherine has seemed to act it to me at times. She does work for charity and talks about her experiences and that is compassionate. This is what Jesus asks us to do.. As Royals now in a multi cultural faith country last Cenus Christanity was at 48% they may feel that have to be seen taking more of a neutral appearance although they indeed can have their faith.

Not every not Christian will seek support or seek to inform others about the word of Christ but they still have the faith and try and practice other values they can. They may have a different calling to in the faith and being a good role model to your children is important. They also may not be ready to speak out yet and that is a journey in itself.

“Prince William 'struggles' with the Church of England, says royal insider”

premierchristian.news/en/news/article/prince-william-struggles-with-the-church-of-england-says-royal-insider

One of Charlie’s titles is Supreme Governor of the Church of England, a title wrapped up in history. If he takes his role and the promises he made at his coronation seriously, then he can’t be all things to all people. He is defender of the [Christian] faith. Ultimately, that is between Him and the Lord, but he either believes it and lives it, or he is just paying lip service because he likes being a king with all the privileges that brings.

@Mydoglovescheese I understand that you will not agree, as you have said that the god that you follow is not exclusively a christian god, and you don’t consider your (if I understand you correctly, christian??) faith to be the correct one, but merely your expression of your faith in (a??) god.

I agree that the United Kingdom can no longer be classed as a Christian country, as in these End Times, government, schools and even some churches have turned away from the One True GOD. We live in an increasingly secular and diluted age, even though the British laws and culture are founded in Christianity.

The Lord God Almighty is Alpha and Omega, constant, unchanging, beginning and end. He did not invent new religions to fit in with a particular human’s take on what they think. His manual for life cannot be changed to fit in with a particular human’s world view. Anything that goes against Him, or waters down His Word, is not anything holy, and is not of Him. True Christians are commanded to love Him with ALL our mind, ALL our heart, ALL our soul and ALL our strength and to know He is I AM. True Christians know and profess that only Christ Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the life.

Of course, we know we live in a fallen world, full of imperfect people. We know that many claim the label ‘christian’, but the Lord warns His Faithful Disciples to beware of false teachers and preachers, and that His sheep are surrounded by prowling wolves disguised in sheep’s clothing.

Thank you to @LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms for the link - Premier Christian News reports that … it has been reported that King Charles, as supreme governor of the Church of England, has turned to his faith and sought spiritual support from Greek Orthodox monk Archimandrite Ephraim following his cancer diagnosis and ongoing treatment earlier this year.

There is always hope 🙏

Interesting, makes sense as Prince Philip was baptised into the Greek Orthodox faith originally. Nothing like a serious health issue to bring one's mortality and faith or lack thereof into the forefront.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/02/26/king-turns-to-greek-orthodox-monk-after-cancer-diagnosis/

@Thegreatestoftheseislove
Thank you for taking the opportunity once again to correct me and inform me of the ‘truth’. I’m flattered that you’re so invested in my opinion that you keep quoting me.
However, just because our opinions differ it doesn’t make yours (or mine) correct.

As a lifelong churchgoer I appreciate that my opinions are not mainstream, but also that there are many nuances and differences even between members of the same church, let alone different denominations. We don’t all have identical beliefs and most of us accept that we are on a faith journey of discovering what God means to us.
For some this means that the Bible is inerrant and therefore must be quoted as irrevocable truth. For others it is an amazing resource of teaching and wisdom but not to be taken literally and out of context.

Have you thought that maybe you’re wrong, maybe I’m wrong or there is a completely different truth that neither of us is aware of?

We may both be in for a great shock when the ‘truth’ is revealed!

I appreciate everybody who has taken the time to read and post on this thread. Thank you!

@Thegreatestoftheseislove i find myself admiring the way you eloquently articulate yourself. I have often thought your posts in christian mumsnetters glorify God and that is something I deeply respect.

@Mydoglovescheese you raise a point about truth in terms of faith. That's a deep and complex debate! I am currently in bed with the flu but hope someone with more energy comes along to engage with you on this point!

@Mydoglovescheese Have you thought that maybe you’re wrong,

Wrong in what way? About the Lord God Almighty as revealed to us in the Bible and through Christ Jesus? Since I became born again in Spirit and in Truth? About who He is and His commands? No.

Your doubts and questions are your own and between you and your god. For me and the One True God - as part of His great commission, I will continue to speak His Truth especially on Christian Mumsnetters where I see deliberate errancy and the enemy's work. 🦁

@NotrialNodeal i find myself admiring the way you eloquently articulate yourself. I have often thought your posts in christian mumsnetters glorify God and that is something I deeply respect.

All Glory and Praise to Him! 🙏💐

Amen!