Daniel fast

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Have you tried the Daniel fast? if so what were your favourite meals?

I have just completed it and I’m suprised to say I loved it. I had so much more energy and felt a lot happier. I have now changed a lot of my eating habits to be more inline with this as a lifestyle

No I didn't mean to reply to you I meant to reply to ChristmasStars.
A number of the church's which follow Old Testament laws the founder was often given they say a vision or direction to found their church and one has said that Jesus said to them it was pleasing and some people are getting help and some are cured of illness. I am noone to judge. I know all food was made clean in the New Testament but that church is a spiritual charismatic church and they may do work which might call for it. The situation is also more pressing in some countries and they may be more in need for such interventions.
I know as well where you go is not so important as worshipping in the right spirit and the Holy Spirit can visit any church.

I haven't looked this up, but I would imagine that there are Orthodoxia church's which men and women cannot sit together and noone would bat an eyelid.

If anyone is contemplating observing the teachings of this organisation I suggest a good study of Paul’s letter to the Galatians.

Or check out the excellent, respectful work of Prof Rob Solberg on YouTube.

Here’s a link to a fairly short video (26 minutes)

White fasting is easier than a total fast. Many Catholics do a form of white fasting on a Friday when they eat fish and do not eat red meat. Many nuns and priests in the Catholic church do not eat red meat as part of their diet, it is not on the order menu and live of a very simple diet.

Church's like Westminster Abbey hold Spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit prayer services. The Celestial church at its heart is a Gifts of the Holy Spirit church. They are growing in the world today.

I am not telling anyone what to do and I don't rely on Wikipedia, they are misleading for information on religion. I know people who have personally attended these places and been helped. Not all branches are the same and it depends on who leads. If you do not want to follow the rules don't go.

Not to be pedantic, but the 'white diet' is a diet, not a fast - to fast in the Biblical sense, is to eat nothing: to totally abstain from food. This white thing is merely an eating plan. However if somebody wants to think the diet is something special that's up to them, but don't let them be fooled into thinking it is fasting in the Biblical sense, because it's not. This needs to be said so that a casual reader who knows no differently, would not be fooled.

I must disagree with your thoughts re this 'Celestial church' as some of its demands and practises are those of a cult ... some of the dubious things have already been mentioned earlier in the thread by Christmas Stars.

We are empowered and compelled to challenge anything that is a false teaching and which may lead astray those who know no differently. Whilst much of this celestial church may appear superficially ok, there is equally as much that is not. For instance, this particular flavour of church seem to have lost sight that Christ's death was the ultimate blood sacrifice, done to set His believers free. They ban menstruating women from entering the church, they ban certain foods, they ban wine (what about the Lord's Table?), they insist on a 'uniform' ... all this and more is on their own website. Wiki just states the facts about it. People should be warned to avoid, as it is not mainstream Christianity - even their doctrine is dodgy as they have not captured the nature God's character, or humanity's need, nor the provision of Christ Jesus' sacrifice to address that need.

You appear to me to be passionate about this and as if I was trying to get people to join this church or to try the white fast. Neither of those thoughts have I suggested. I think given the rate of eating disorders we have to be careful and cautious about fasting. I think people can do as they like as they decide what may be right for them. I am very hesitant to knock any church without a very good reason as well.

Someone can do white fasting and for them perhaps for their health it may be easier than a full on fast. Does the Bible actually tell us how to fast? Some people will do this say perhaps to evening abstaining and then allow a white fasting in the evening praying several times during the day often for spiritual development and to show commitment to God.

I am baptised as a Catholic but am a non demontional Christian and in my lifetime having parents from that background where it originates I have actually sat in and observed a few services in my lifetime and have personal experience of others whose life were helped. If you are extremely modern and not orthodox you may struggle with it. I am pretty sure there are other church's were women and men sit separately with no one noting an objection. None of those things you mentioned concerned me when I was free minded and in my youth. I went back later as a full grown woman and not letting women on their period enter I wasn't comfortable with. However, I had no other issues and I could return to observe today, but with my health an Anglican service near is ideal and the length of the service suits me fine.

The founder has said they received a message from Jesus of praise about their church and they do a lot of spiritual work and perhaps there is a reason why it has to be that. I will accept that and not question and do not attend there and it is not important where I attend.

This is what has been written that the founder was said in a vision or encounter that there was pleasing by Jesus. We all have different paths and on this one I will sit out.

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He spoke many things with me. Among other things, He confirmed: 'All your
services of worship in the Church are acceptable unto the Father. Tell all
members of the Celestial Church that they should be steadfast in their
services of worship because worship will be the ultimate salvation of
mankind.
https://celestialweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/A-short-biography-of-Papa-Samuel-Bilehou-Joseph-Oshoffa-in-relation-to-the-Celestial-Church-of-Christ-1.pdf

“because worship will be the ultimate salvation of mankind”

No. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself is the ultimate salvation of mankind.

We cannot gain salvation through good works of any kind, including worship.

OK sometimes you can spend far too long on things on the Internet that may be for you are not that important. For I imagined there were likely other Christan Church's were women and men sit separately as this discussion has progressed I decided to look into it and indeed there are other Christian church's were this occurs like the Coptic Orthodox Church's. Again the Coptic Orthodox Church's some may ask women not to attend during this period. Many Catholics in the ministry essentially follow this white diet pretty much all the time and they are not alone.

I don't see this issue with this Church and some people have the very euro centric view of a church and I love sometimes to worship with diverse groups.

The link I showed perhaps they did know the true meaning being well expoused in the Bible and you have to remember English may not be their first language and what they may perceive to be worship may be different from how you see it.

I wouldn't say was their biggest issue having actually attended a couple in the past myself. It down to the leader of the church and they can vary also members some may bicker about rank in the church but not everyone by far is like that.

@Justmerach You appear to me to be passionate about this ...

Certainly, I am passionate about the Truth and doing my bit to warn people of false teaching and preaching.

@Justmerach ... and as if I was trying to get people to join this church or to try the white fast.

Are you? Only you and the Lord know that. Not I. The best of lies contain an element of truth, that is what makes them so believable. The only thing I need to do is to warn the casual reader that neither subject, the white fasting diet and the dodgy church first mentioned by you, is mainstream Christianity. That is all. It is very interesting that you continue to appear to want to claim otherwise. That is your prerogative. I will however, for the sake of a casual reader who will know no differently and who may be led astray, continue to challenge extra-biblical 'stuff' and the promotion of, what appears to be, a cult.

That of course should had said that the white fast diet and the dodgy church mentioned are NOT mainstream Christianity.

I am non demontional. I can attend a church that aligns to what I believe. Mainstream Christianity is not where things end and to think so is eurocentric.
No, I am not trying to get anyone to attend this church. My first post was just that this church does do white fasting. People can choose as they like. It is just I posted and you came with a lot of warnings but when I looked into it started to seem rather unjust to me.
There are Coptic Christian church's with similar doctrines. Why are they not bashed as well.

@Justmerach

Euro-centric??? What on earth? Ah! I see what the enemy is doing! Gotcha! Must try harder. 😎 You think correct Bible teaching and practise is euro-centric? Just reflecting on the membership of my Bible-based-world-wide-church-of-Christ-Jesus, of whatever flavour, which includes Europeans of all colours, Africans of all colours, Caribbeans of all colours, South Americans of all colours, Asians of all colours, peoples from across the globe of all colours (you get the picture?), the irony is not lost on me.

I truly hope that sooner rather than later, you will see that this dodgy church, which you seem determined to continue to promote, are not mainstream Christianity, not only in their dodgy practises, but even in the basic statement of their church doctrine which makes NO mention of the essentials to the foundations of Christian worship - just mentions some bloke who says he had a visitation from the Holy Spirit ... just like the founders of ,JWs and Mormons, et al, the Truth is not there; it just does not hold water.

Lol. May be you should think about using the term mainstream Christianity as it can set aside other church's as well and can come over as that especially when sitting in the West. I am of African origin and there are many small independent church's in my parents country of origin. I have attended a few times in my life the church in mention but that was decades ago. I have quite an open mind and well aware that the Holy Spirit can visit any church that worships appropriately and they surely have visited some of these Church's as well. I am very cautious of bashing a church just because it is not right for me, it could be what someone else needs, but this was not about that. It is clear other similar church's in the UK escape this scrutiny.
I do not see an issue with the white fasting if people want to do it. I am all for people making their own minds up. I would presume we are all adults.

Hmmm, you seem to be missing the point. To be clear, again: the church you are promoting appears to be a cult and therefore people need to be warned against it.

To be blunt, the rest of the stuff you are talking about may be interesting but it is just extra straw man padding to the main issue. The enemy likes to sow confusion.

The white fast diet is merely an eating plain - not particularly Christian in and of itself, and should not be promoted as 'Christian'. No problems at all if you want to follow a particular eating plan. Go for it. For me, however, if it doesn't contain dark chocolate, I'm not interested. When I fast, I do so according to Biblical principles.

You seem to think I was promoting the church. I do not promote any church's on purpose. Even my own personal witnessing removes all names of church's and what I attend today for a purpose. We link to information and make our own minds up.
We differ with views on the white fasting. It can be Bibical still. I don't like to see independent church's being bashed unnecessarily for not being western mainstream. Evangelical and charismatic church's are not considered mainstream church's either and I think it was you or someone else who mentioned they attended a charismatic church. With similar names it can get a bit confusing who you are replying to. Someone else before me mentioned about women not attending on their periods and that is why I developed that narrative as well.

Perhaps try and not read into someone's comments too much.
I am not going to agree with you as I haven't been to such a church for decades and I might decide to go back and observe one day and it could be different and I am not going to knock it on the computer to agree with you and then go and observe. I wouldn't feel good about it, so there is nothing further to be said.

All I want to say now is to reiterate what Paul said in his letter to the Galatians, chapter 1: 6-9

“I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.”

There no room for any other “gospel” to be preached and there’s nothing wrong with speaking against organisations which preach “another gospel”.

Yes and amen! 🙏

@Justmerach Ok, well, your words are witness to what you said in promotion of the cult and your refusal to see the weird demands made to their adherents and the dodgy doctrine. You do you, but (and said with kindness) on this Christian board I will challenge unbiblical error, even if it offends. Many people find our Lord Jesus and the Lord God Almighty offensive. It is what it is. Had you been posting on the Phil and Rel board, I would have left you to it.

I have warned the casual reader to avoid them as the organisation is not mainstream Christian. However, I think LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms has just said all there is left to say on the matter in their post and Gal 1: 6-9

I have gone back and read my first few posts in this thread and early discussion. For I had attended that church decades ago and may be about fifteen years ago and never mentioned it. I didn't make it personal. I then later then mentioned the name of the church to give it more clarity when someone was asking for more information named the church. There are other church's that do pretty much the same as well. As I mentioned someone else diverted the discussion beyond the subject of the fasting itself and I was responding to that in this thread as well.

I didn't mention this as I don't like to write my personal experience too much in here but in my lifetime I have also tried the white fasting as well and it is not a better or worse thing. I don't promote fasting to anyone. It is a personal thing. I fasted to around 6pm abstaining and then had a light meal in the evening abstaining from certain food groups. It worked for me and God knows what may be suitable for some people. I was baptised a Catholic and attended mass to 19. I attended such a church and now for many years now attend a mainstream church. I attend a service healing and wholeness now once a month at an Anglican church and I can say since my journey since 8 that all experiences with the spirit of God was intact through all these church's because of me and my belief as well. I saw some people getting healed as a teen in one of those church's, but it depends on the leaders and the woman in charge at that time was very humble.

I have wondered about one aspect but that is not relevant to this discussion and that is about no eating of pork, but I am not there to judge especially when they are claimed it was founded by visions etc, they are using the Old Testament laws which several church's still use. Each to their own I guess if not dangering to you.