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The book of Esther

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MobilityCat · 05/01/2025 18:20

The Book of Esther can be viewed through a feminist lens as it highlights the strength, courage, and agency of its central female figure, Esther. Here are some feminist themes in the book: Esther rises to a position of influence in a male-dominated society and uses her power strategically to save her people. Despite the risk to her own life, she acts decisively, showing courage and wisdom.
The story begins with Queen Vashti refusing King Xerxes' demand to display herself before his guests, a bold act of defiance against patriarchal control. Though she is deposed, Vashti's resistance sets the stage for Esther's eventual rise. Esther embodies the role of an advocate, not merely serving as a passive figure but actively confronting injustice. She challenges Haman's plot and persuades the king to intervene, ensuring her people's survival. Unlike many other biblical texts, the Book of Esther places women at the forefront of the story. Both Vashti and Esther play pivotal roles, demonstrating the power and influence of women even within the restrictive societal norms of the time.
Esther's success is rooted in her intelligence, diplomacy, and timing. She uses these qualities to navigate a complex situation and emerge victorious, showcasing the value of women's contributions to leadership and decision-making. The story of Esther serves as an inspiring example of female empowerment, showing how women can challenge societal norms, take bold action, and achieve transformative outcomes.

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Thegreatestoftheseislove · 05/01/2025 22:21

So many inspiring women in the Bible, but if I wanted to be any of them, it would be Esther.

MobilityCat · 06/01/2025 18:32

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 05/01/2025 22:21

So many inspiring women in the Bible, but if I wanted to be any of them, it would be Esther.

By following her example how would you feel about doing something positive in your situation? Misogyny and Paternalistic practices are still prevalent in our society. Are you affected by them in any way?

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Thegreatestoftheseislove · 06/01/2025 19:02

MobilityCat · 06/01/2025 18:32

By following her example how would you feel about doing something positive in your situation? Misogyny and Paternalistic practices are still prevalent in our society. Are you affected by them in any way?

I am bound to say ‘of course I am, and surely to some extent we all are’ ? I cannot think that my own situation (life?) needs me to do anything in particular other than I use my vote, and I use my voice if needed. Were you thinking of anything more specific?

MobilityCat · 06/01/2025 19:09

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 06/01/2025 19:02

I am bound to say ‘of course I am, and surely to some extent we all are’ ? I cannot think that my own situation (life?) needs me to do anything in particular other than I use my vote, and I use my voice if needed. Were you thinking of anything more specific?

No you're doing fine, I'm probably too confrontation when I encounter it. I’m doing the best I can with my own values and understanding, I just wondered how you feel about it. I value your opinion.

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Justmerach · 07/01/2025 07:54

As some people really like the story of Esther here and it is a shortish entry, I thought I would add it as an upload an entry from a book about Women in the Bible that is of some age now. Unfortunetly, some of my coffee somehow got onto my book this morning one page, it must have been on my clothing but all the words still can be read easily.

You can click on the images and save them to read in full in your own time.

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Thegreatestoftheseislove · 07/01/2025 09:20

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Sausagenbacon · 07/01/2025 09:26

Norah Lofts wrote a novel based on Esther, which I like.
It's the only book in the Bible , ASAIK, that doesn't mention God

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 07/01/2025 09:55

Hi @Sausagenbacon Nor does Song of Songs, not directly. There is no doubt though that Esther was an observant woman of God - evidence the call for fasting. I agree with the Biblical commentators that say it is a Book full of how God works behind the scenes for the good of those who love Him. Esther was a woman of her time but is a wonderful example of what it is to be a modern woman faithful to God.

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 07/01/2025 18:13

One aspect of the story of Esther that always strikes me is that Haman was an Agagite.

“… Haman, the son of Hammedatha the Agagite… “
Esther 3:1

Five hundred years previously the LORD had commanded Saul to destroy all of the Amalekites, including their King Agag. But it hadn’t been done.

“* Thus says the LORD of hosts: ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them*. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”
1 Samuel 15 : 2-3

But Saul did not do so. He only struck Amalek “…from Havilah all the way to Shur, which is east of Egypt. He also took Agag king of the Amalekites alive..,”
1 Samuel 15: 7-8a

The failure of Saul turned into the crisis of Esther. And she prevailed where the first King of Israel had not.

PraiseHim · 12/01/2025 15:53

MobilityCat · 05/01/2025 18:20

The Book of Esther can be viewed through a feminist lens as it highlights the strength, courage, and agency of its central female figure, Esther. Here are some feminist themes in the book: Esther rises to a position of influence in a male-dominated society and uses her power strategically to save her people. Despite the risk to her own life, she acts decisively, showing courage and wisdom.
The story begins with Queen Vashti refusing King Xerxes' demand to display herself before his guests, a bold act of defiance against patriarchal control. Though she is deposed, Vashti's resistance sets the stage for Esther's eventual rise. Esther embodies the role of an advocate, not merely serving as a passive figure but actively confronting injustice. She challenges Haman's plot and persuades the king to intervene, ensuring her people's survival. Unlike many other biblical texts, the Book of Esther places women at the forefront of the story. Both Vashti and Esther play pivotal roles, demonstrating the power and influence of women even within the restrictive societal norms of the time.
Esther's success is rooted in her intelligence, diplomacy, and timing. She uses these qualities to navigate a complex situation and emerge victorious, showcasing the value of women's contributions to leadership and decision-making. The story of Esther serves as an inspiring example of female empowerment, showing how women can challenge societal norms, take bold action, and achieve transformative outcomes.

In the bible a woman represents a church. Nothing at all to do with feminism. Feminism is worldly.

Esther immediately took to prayer and had Faith in God. Our Creator was her strength. She trusted in Him and put Him at the centre

MobilityCat · 12/01/2025 17:05

PraiseHim · 12/01/2025 15:53

In the bible a woman represents a church. Nothing at all to do with feminism. Feminism is worldly.

Esther immediately took to prayer and had Faith in God. Our Creator was her strength. She trusted in Him and put Him at the centre

Im sorry that's all you got from my post. While what you said it is true that the Bible can use a woman to symbolically represent a church Revelation 12 and Ephesians 5:25-27, this symbolism doesn’t diminish the importance of actual women mentioned in Scripture. Women like Esther, Ruth, Deborah, and others demonstrate how God uses women in powerful and meaningful ways. Esther, for instance, sought God through fasting and prayer, trusted in His strength, and boldly intervened to save her people, showing incredible faith and leadership. Deborah, a prophetess and judge in Israel, displayed wisdom and courage by leading the nation and inspiring Barak in battle Judges 4. Ruth demonstrated loyalty, faith, and determination, choosing to follow God and became part of the line of Jesus Christ. These women were not just passive participants in God’s plan and they were active and vital contributors. While you labeled feminism as worldly, its core idea of recognizing the value, dignity, and contribution of women aligns perfectly with the biblical principle that men and women are created in God's image Genesis 1:27 and are equally valuable in His eyes. These examples show how God empowers and works through women, both symbolically as the church and individually as faithful servants of His will. Ultimately, Christianity teaches the value of both men and women as equal but distinct, each uniquely gifted to serve God’s purposes. Feminism is a broad movement that has evolved over time, addressing issues such as women's rights, equality, and justice. What would Jesus say?

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PraiseHim · 12/01/2025 17:09

MobilityCat · 12/01/2025 17:05

Im sorry that's all you got from my post. While what you said it is true that the Bible can use a woman to symbolically represent a church Revelation 12 and Ephesians 5:25-27, this symbolism doesn’t diminish the importance of actual women mentioned in Scripture. Women like Esther, Ruth, Deborah, and others demonstrate how God uses women in powerful and meaningful ways. Esther, for instance, sought God through fasting and prayer, trusted in His strength, and boldly intervened to save her people, showing incredible faith and leadership. Deborah, a prophetess and judge in Israel, displayed wisdom and courage by leading the nation and inspiring Barak in battle Judges 4. Ruth demonstrated loyalty, faith, and determination, choosing to follow God and became part of the line of Jesus Christ. These women were not just passive participants in God’s plan and they were active and vital contributors. While you labeled feminism as worldly, its core idea of recognizing the value, dignity, and contribution of women aligns perfectly with the biblical principle that men and women are created in God's image Genesis 1:27 and are equally valuable in His eyes. These examples show how God empowers and works through women, both symbolically as the church and individually as faithful servants of His will. Ultimately, Christianity teaches the value of both men and women as equal but distinct, each uniquely gifted to serve God’s purposes. Feminism is a broad movement that has evolved over time, addressing issues such as women's rights, equality, and justice. What would Jesus say?

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Yes, certainly God uses both men and woman biblically to teach us bible truths. Feminism, on the other hand, is not biblical

MobilityCat · 12/01/2025 17:41

Dear sister in Christ, I do appreciate your statement that God uses both men and women in the Bible to teach us profound truths. However, it’s worth noting that many practices, beliefs, or things embraced by Christians today are not explicitly biblical, yet they are not always dismissed outright. For instance the celebration of Christmas and Easter, these holidays may center around key events in Jesus’ life, the Bible doesn’t tell us to celebrate them, nor are their specific customs like Christmas trees or Easter eggs found in Scripture. Yet, Christians have adopted these traditions as a means to honor God and teach His truths.The use of instruments like electric guitars, projectors, or live streaming services to spread the gospel is not mentioned in the Bible, but these tools are used. The early church often met in homes or in the street Acts 2:46. Today, many Christians worship in large, structured buildings with formalized leaderships that go beyond the simplicity of the early church. Some Christians hold strong opinions about clothing, hairstyles, or makeup, yet the Bible provides only limited guidance on outward appearance, focusing instead on inner character 1 Samuel 16:7, 1 Peter 3:3-4. Similarly, feminism, as a broad movement, is not specifically addressed in the Bible because it is a modern term and concept. However, certain aspects of feminism, like seeking justice for the oppressed or affirming the God given value of women, are consistent with biblical principles Micah 6:8, Galatians 3:28. Just as we carefully evaluate traditions and modern practices to see how they align with Scripture, we can also discern aspects of feminism that reflect God’s heart while rejecting anything that conflicts with His Word. This is not to equate feminism with biblical truth, but to show that Christians often engage with concepts or practices not explicitly biblical, while still trying to honor God through them. Don't you believe in the general values endorsed by most feminists? What would Jesus say?.

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PraiseHim · 12/01/2025 18:08

MobilityCat · 12/01/2025 17:41

Dear sister in Christ, I do appreciate your statement that God uses both men and women in the Bible to teach us profound truths. However, it’s worth noting that many practices, beliefs, or things embraced by Christians today are not explicitly biblical, yet they are not always dismissed outright. For instance the celebration of Christmas and Easter, these holidays may center around key events in Jesus’ life, the Bible doesn’t tell us to celebrate them, nor are their specific customs like Christmas trees or Easter eggs found in Scripture. Yet, Christians have adopted these traditions as a means to honor God and teach His truths.The use of instruments like electric guitars, projectors, or live streaming services to spread the gospel is not mentioned in the Bible, but these tools are used. The early church often met in homes or in the street Acts 2:46. Today, many Christians worship in large, structured buildings with formalized leaderships that go beyond the simplicity of the early church. Some Christians hold strong opinions about clothing, hairstyles, or makeup, yet the Bible provides only limited guidance on outward appearance, focusing instead on inner character 1 Samuel 16:7, 1 Peter 3:3-4. Similarly, feminism, as a broad movement, is not specifically addressed in the Bible because it is a modern term and concept. However, certain aspects of feminism, like seeking justice for the oppressed or affirming the God given value of women, are consistent with biblical principles Micah 6:8, Galatians 3:28. Just as we carefully evaluate traditions and modern practices to see how they align with Scripture, we can also discern aspects of feminism that reflect God’s heart while rejecting anything that conflicts with His Word. This is not to equate feminism with biblical truth, but to show that Christians often engage with concepts or practices not explicitly biblical, while still trying to honor God through them. Don't you believe in the general values endorsed by most feminists? What would Jesus say?.

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I couldn’t agree more with you when you say that most Christians have adopted pagan traditions.

The bible is very clear on how we should present ourselves to the world in terms of hair etc

Do not be deceived. Whilst I hear you on oppression, we don’t have to make it a feminist issue. Feminism is worldly and causes division. We are all equal in God’s eyes, injustices will be taken care of in the Great Day.

I trust in Him and turn not to the left or to the right.

Maybe I misunderstood your post, forgive me if I did. As Christians we need to be careful for the new believers that our actions may not cause them to sin. All the isms came bout in 1844 at the Great Awakening of biblical truth (the book of Daniel revelation). Isms are not of God.

Peace be with you Sister

PilgriminProgress · 19/01/2025 00:09

I completely agree with your reflection on Esther. Her story is a powerful example of God's providence working behind the scenes, even when His name is never explicitly mentioned. Esther's call for fasting reflects her faith and dependence on God in a moment of immense courage and vulnerability. She was undoubtedly a woman of her time, navigating the complexities of her role within a patriarchal society, yet her strength, wisdom, and bravery transcend generations. For modern women of faith, she is an inspiring example of trusting God, stepping boldly into difficult situations, and being an instrument of His purposes, even when the path is uncertain.

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