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Jealousy of sibling with ongoing health problems

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LargeLatte · 08/06/2010 12:03

Apologies if you have read a similar post from me - I'm going at this problm from a different angle.

ds2 (3y) has had health problems and repeated hospital admissions since birth. Ds1 (5y) hits patches of relentless naughtiness at these times. We are going through one right now - so while I am ill, and ds2 is ill, ds1 is giving me a really hard time, when I am least able to deal with it. I feel I always fail at these tests - I've just been getting cross and frustrated at his naughty behaviour instead of realising he is probably also stressed, and probably jealous. A child psychologist friend even warned me about this a year ago, but I've just been useless and forgotten all about this.

The psych's sage words were that the minute ds2 gets ill I have to remember that will cause new needs in ds1 also. I get it - I just keep forgetting it. Grrrr at myself.

So anyone with experience? When life is already stressful, how do you not loose focus on the healthy child?

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belledechocolatefluffybunny · 08/06/2010 12:05

Ello Latte.
Does ds1 get involved with any of his brother's care? IME, boys like to feel helpful. He will be worried about his brother so it might help him if he could do something to help (supervised). Do you have 1:1 time with him?

LargeLatte · 08/06/2010 12:21

We do stuff like bake together, bike rides, even just a trip to the supermarket. I take him to his class birthday parties, just me & him without his brother. I haven't been very available to him for about a week because I've got an awful cold - been in bed couging - and I am sure that is making him worse.

I probably could get him more involved with ds2. He asks to come to the hospital with us sometimes. I probably need to do a better job of explaining what is happening this time - its only an infected grommet - but its been going on for a month so ds2 feels ill and can't go anywhere and I am being bounced around drs while they decide what to do - so I've been stressed and maybe ds1 is thinking this is more serious than it is - especially as everyone's first question when they see us is 'how's Ds's ear'.

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PixieOnaLeaf · 08/06/2010 12:30

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belledechocolatefluffybunny · 08/06/2010 12:33

Poor lad, it must be painful.

Have you had a chat with ds1 about how his brother will be feeling? I'd ask him to remember how he felt when he was unwell and discuss it with him and talk to him about how he can help his brother. Pets are helpful aswell as it will give him something to care about.
Young boys usually express how they are feeling in their behaviour, it sounds like he's worried and unhappy. Did he help you when you were not feeling well? (bring you tissues/a drink?)

LargeLatte · 08/06/2010 12:44

And in fairness to ds1, it is tough being around ds2 because his manky ear makes him serioulsy stroppy, which is testing me so goodness knows what its doing to ds1.

I need to do a hunt for furless pets - due to rampant asthma in both ds's (#1 cause of hospital admissions in our family in the last 12 months).

While i am ill ds1 is dealing with it by screaming 'i hate you to be ill', and having a nice chat with Buzz Lightyear about 'we hate mummy because she is always ill' - hmmmm my first time laid up ill since I had pleurisy 18 months ago - which incidentally is why I think a simple cold has hit me so hard.
I'm guessing he's just not the compassionate type

OK thanks people - I think I have a plan of attack - bit more understanding, a lot less shouting, and redirect some of that energy.

And a quick google for relaxation techniques.

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belledechocolatefluffybunny · 08/06/2010 12:48

We have a hamster, he has fur but it doesn't affect ds's asthma. A pet will bring out his compassionate side.

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LargeLatte · 08/06/2010 13:07

Thanks belle I'e just noticed you took the trouble to follow me between threads.

I like the worry box - ds1 cant write but he could draw a picture.

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LargeLatte · 08/06/2010 13:10

I would love a dog and I am sure it wouldn't affect their asthma because their nan's have dogs and cats - but its always the first thing they ask at the hospital - 'do you smoke, do you have any pets'. I'm scared of taking the risk that we'd get a pet, they'd fall in love, then we'd have to give it away. Wonder if I can convince dh we need a tortoise more than we need to pay next months mortgage repayment

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belledechocolatefluffybunny · 08/06/2010 13:11

That's a lovely idea.

I hope your son's feeling better today Pixie

SparkleRainbow · 08/06/2010 14:40

I have read this with such interest, thank you Latte for posting it. I have exactly the same problem. My ds has a life threatening condition, and could be permenantly disabled or die at any time, he is obviously not aware of this, although he is aware of some elements of his condition. School are on tenterhooks as are we. We have a 19 month old dd who for the first 12 months of life was in and out of hospital, she is fine now. Stuck in the middle of all this is my now nearly 5yo dd. She has really struggled with starting school, is very clingy to me, terrified of ds being rushed to hospital again. Their headteacher has even commented to me that she visibly relaxes when she sees him at lunchtime and nows he is all right. I give lots of cuddles, readinmg stories, playing little games, in snatches of minutes with her, but I am at a loss as to how to not lose her in the drama that has become our family life, and it is only going to get worse. I don't know what to do?

LargeLatte · 08/06/2010 21:01

Oh Sparkle how awful. My ds's health problems aren't anywhere near as bad as your dd's. He has recurrent croup - which has been life threatening on occassions, asthma, and recurrent ear infections - but unfortunately these escalate and cause other problems like taccycardia (sp?).

And how difficult to have two children with medical problems.

This post is gonna be a long one, but I wanted to share my experiences in case it helps. I won't give advice on what you should do, I can only tell you things I try.

Some practical advice the child psych friend gave me was to carefully orchestrate the way the family is reunited after an emergency, so that ds1 could have my undivided attention as quickly as possible.

So for example, if I had been in hospital over night with ds2, I would come home first, and even though I would really want to be with ds1 I would ask my mum/ in laws to hang onto him a bit longer. Then I would get ds2 settled, take a shower, tidy up, have something to eat - take care of myself so I was in the right frame of mind and could unwind from the stress. Then either go to my Mum's or have her come to mine, so that she could take care of ds2, while I was totally focussed on ds1. We would do something simple like play a game,or colour, and eventually he will signal when he wants to talk about what has been happening.

But the scenario above is a luxury to us - we might get to do it 50% of the time, and the rest we just have to muddle through and poor ds1 gets tired, shouty mummy home from the hospital. But it doesn't matter if he can't get that attention every time - just getting it sometimes is helpful.

The thing I am most rubbish at is making the connection between ds1's behaviour and whatever stress is going on in our family. I started posting this thread today at the end of my tether thinking 'why is he being so naughty' and because we have been fortunate enough to go for 6 months without a trip to hospital I forgot that he always does this when me / ds2 gets ill. Poor ds1 has real stress issues around health. And I feel so stupid for not noticing it. Doubt the same applies to you Sparkle as you seem pretty clued up as to the impact this is having on your 5yoDD.

And you sound like you are doing a great job of carving out little chunks of time with dd. With ds1 it is the little things he appreciates - staying up to watch Dr Who when ds2 is in bed, sneaking out with me for a late night trip to the supermarket. I try to do spontaneous stuff with him, and its usually in the evening so ds2 is in bed and dh can be at home.
Initially we were almost 2 families - dh looked after ds1 while I had ds2 because I was more confident with the medical stuff. It has been hard to break that pattern but I think we are getting there.

And one last thing - someone mentioned it on another thread I'm on - don't forget how angry the healthy child can get about the poorly child - I have lost count of the number of times ds1 has punched ds2's ear since he sees it as the route of all evil. Your dd may not be angry, or she may be seething underneath and scared to show it. Ds1 likes to tell his toys how much he hates 'mummy's cough', or 'ds2's cough' - after a tip from another MN I'm gonna try some art therapy with him - get him to draw all the nasty things.

I hope that helps a bit. Please don't forget yourself in the mayhem.

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SparkleRainbow · 08/06/2010 21:28

Thank you so much for those thoughts, it is actually really reassuring to know you know what it is like. It has been four weeks since out last trip to emergency, and we have had a lovely halfterm. I really struggle with the balance between letting ds have the childhood he deserves and wrapping him up in cotton wool. School and other parents say I'm doing a good job and I am so calm, but I am not really. I cry myself to sleep most nights, go and watch them all sleeping, and my dd1 caught in the middle, I worry so about her . I have been thinking about counselling for my ds, but you make me wonder about counselling for them both. Dd2 is still only 19months so it is not really affecting her yet, although I was incredibly frustrated with my dh when ds was rushed into hospital and he decided he would ask his 70+ father to take care of the other two while he went to work! Dh wouldn't do that now, but I am still the one who has to push everything through, has to keep the school health plan and risk assessments up to date... it all takes a toll. Sorry this has turned into a gush about me, and not about my dd, and I am so worried about her.

HairyMaclary · 08/06/2010 21:34

This has been really interesting - thank you so much for all your insights. I have a DS1 age 5 with cerebral palsy, not severely but more than enough to cause lots of issues and appointments. DS 2 age 3 has struggled with attachment issues at times with me, I'm sure it's because he was always or often with grandparents while I was at the hospital or appts. As they have got older I have realised how careful I need to be about my relationship with both DS's and how I need to take an active role in ensuring they both have an outlet to express their fears. I like the worry box and thoughts book ideas, might need to wait until they are older though!

SparkleRainbow · 08/06/2010 21:37

Went and made myself a large drinking chocolate...

Just had a thought that my dd1 started saying today that her neck hurt, which is one of the syptoms of my ds's condition. I didn't think about ti at the time, I just gave her a cuddle and distracted her. I know she doesn't have it, so I guess she is beginning to act out the symptoms to "join in". I don't think she is trying to get attention, I think it is more likely to be fear on her part that she might get it too. Luckily, as yet, we haven't had any aggression from her towards him or the baby. Ds is the kindest most gentle child you could imagine, and she has copied him in how to behave, she adores her big brother and little sister, which is why she might be so frightened I guess. Also she knows that sometimes brothers don't get better and die, as it has happened to a friend. I think she must be carrying the weight of the world around with her and she is only four still.

LargeLatte · 08/06/2010 21:40

don't apologise - gush away - she can't see what you are writing her and you need looking after just as much as she does.

I vividly remember being in hospital with a 5 week old ds2 while they did goodness knows how many test on him over a week - dh went to work every day and every day I had to ring round my mates and family from the hospital room to find someone to fob my 22mo ds1 onto. Dh's parents couldn't help one day because they were playing golf. And all week I was getting whinged at because I wouldn't go to a bridesmaid dress fitting for dh's sister - they couldn't understand why I was being sooooo difficult as the shop was in the same town as the hospital . We've come a long way since then but like you I am definitely the medical queen - in charge of medications and totally in charge in an emergency. I am wondering if I will be given an honourary PHD in medicine - I think I've earnt it. On the plus sid, none of my friends kids ever need to go to the drs - they just ask me what I think is wrong .

I think that since your dd is 5 and old enough to express her feelings, she may benefit from talking to an outsider. I could be wrong, but she might be frightened of some of the feelings she has, and as you are under so much strain already, she might not want to burden you with them.

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SparkleRainbow · 08/06/2010 21:57

I think there could be a lot of truth in that. I think I will make an appointment to see the gp and find out what is available on the nhs.

Know how you feel about the PhD in medicine, the first thing that gets said to me when we see someone new is...."you know more about this than we do".

Jellibob · 08/06/2010 22:17

DS (4) always seems to behave badly when either (or both) of my younger DTs are in hospital. He seems happier when I explain to him that eg DTD and I are going to the hospital, the doctor is going to look at whatever and try to make it better. We should be back at tea-time, but may have to stay the night, but if we do I'll let him know. I always ring home or nursery to let him know what's happening. It definitely seems to help if he feels involved.

When I was pregnant I was always having to suddenly rush to hospital (bleeding), sometimes for several days, and although he didn't seem upset at the time, once I got home it was evident that he had been.

(I also have an hon PhD in medicine, on DDs last trip to hospital the nurse got me to clean and dress her wound, which was fine as I was going to have to learn how to do it, but the doctor wanted me to take swabs!)

cory · 08/06/2010 23:08

We had a lot of this when dd was thought to be the only disabled child in the family (painful chronic joint disorder). Ds, who is 3 years younger, went through phases of anger and destructiveness, particularly ripping things up and trying to blame it on her.

Then he too was diagnosed. And dd was very very angry with him...

It's all calming down though, as they grow older.

LargeLatte · 09/06/2010 11:40

...."you know more about this than we do". - sign of a good dr if they are prepared to admit that.

You lot amaze me with your ability to cope with chronic illness. ds2's life has been a more eventful than the local kids we know but when we are in hospital, and when I read people's stories on here I feel so humbled.

note to self - I must stop blooming moaning about ds's problems.

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SparkleRainbow · 09/06/2010 13:44

This is the one place where I have felt comfortable enough to admit how difficult it can be, because others like you Latte share their feelings, so don't stop now, it isn't moaning, sometimes it is survival!

LargeLatte · 09/06/2010 14:59

survival of the whingeiest - I like it.

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SparkleRainbow · 09/06/2010 18:03

Whatever works sounds good to me!

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