your view on vaccinations?

[ranirani]

your view on vaccinations ? what are those? any prons and cons?

Beachcomer...I'm so sorry to hear about your DD being vaccine damaged.
I agree that it is only a matter of time before Vaccinations, becomes a very sad and dark shadow in history and "Something we used to do that was very very bad for us". I do not believe the hailing of vaccinations as the wonder jabs that keep us all alive. The single ruling factor amongst parents/public seems to be fear "What if my child contracts x, y and z...." and what the public needs is facts and figures, real stories and reassurance because the situation appears to be very very different from that which is touted by governments to be the truth. I feel that this is a situation that has gone hideously awry resulting in an ominous shushing up of truth and fact and it's simply a matter of time before this ticking bomb explodes and this becomes a famously shameful aspect of medical history.

And if you think this is a conspiracy theory, and that our governments/pharmaceuticals have our best interests at heart check out the stories of parents who have been actively threatened by pharmaceutical companies whilst seeking justice. You don't need to look very far.

Hoping that all who go into this subject are at least prepared to have their eyes and ears open.

All mine ahve had the first set of jabs.

First three have had MMR; ds3 then regresseed so ds4 is having separate jabs.

My general view is that each aprent does what they think is best and that should be respected.

Oh and ds3- at MMR age pointing at 'wabbit' in garden (we had school rabbit to stay), excitedly jabbering to get out and see him;

at 3.5 couldn't talk at all, in nappies, etc

5.5 can talk somewhat now but will never communicate fully, potty but not toilet trained, just dx'd asd, going to special school, losing eye contact and becoming more challenging in behavioural and sleep ways each day, with mini regressions regularly.

MMR for ds3? Like Hell.

My dd suffered major complications after having chickenpox and before her MMR she was under one of the top paeds for haemotology I had a long chat with him about giving her the MMR as after all she had been through was unsure if it was the best thing to do. He told me without a doubt she should have it and I had done the right thing in giving her her previous jabs-this was his medical opinion. I'm sorry but if that is what a top doc tells you to do (and he would not have wnated to do anything to harm my dd after he and his team had battled for several weeks to save my dd) then I do not need to sit doing any more research I got that MMR as quick as I could. For what its worth unless advised not to ie your child is ill with something like cancer his advice was to just have your children vaccinated.

If what I had previously thought of as an innocent childhood illness could nearly kill my dd I would not want to see what measles etc could do to her.

Sunshine I can understand that but if you can afford itr it isn't wither or- ds4 will have separate jabs. I don't want him to get emasles but tbh i'd prefer that to asd GIVEN our pareticular family situation with 2 asd kids and a PAediatrician who assures us its definitely gnetic for us and its just trigger avoidance.

As I said if advised not to have MMR fine - what I have a problem with is people who do their own research and decided not to have them you have sought professional advice and are taking it I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is people who think jabs are not necessary and these illness are nothing to be feared from what I have read my dd has suffered and still does from the affects of this illness more than a jab could have caused.

I know a lovely young teenager who was growing up happily, doing well at school until the age of 8 when he got mengentits. He completely lost all his speech and will be totally and utterly independent on his carers for the rest of his life. Infact he is not much different to a child with severe autism.

One of the complications of mealses or mumps can be mengentitis. It is well known rather than antedotal.

Even if the reasearch of Dr Andrew Wakefield right, its a relatively small number of children affected among millions. It is hard on those children to be left severely disabled, but the overall number of children who are left with learning difficulties is probably smaller than pre immunisation.

It wouldn't surprise me if vacinnes did carry a small risk. However I think the risk is less than actually catching these diseases.

Reallytired - that is exactly the message I was trying to get across.

Sunshine they advise dus TO have it! But that's an issue I have with them obv, not you . I think the American case treally has strengthened my assertions on this.

RT as I said I had mine immunised pre-ds3, however the rate of children developing all spectrum disorders together now is greater than 1%. That's an awful lot of children isn't it?

It's one of those decisions you have to make for your own family I think; I could never advise anyone to have it but equally wouldn't blame anyone who did either, the risks of measles etc are tiny but real also.

...but the point is that the small number of children likely to be affected by vaccine seem to be identifiable.

So why do we still have this russian roulette attitude where we look at the whole population and assess the risk to each child via that method.

Why do we not assess the risk to each individual child instead?

It is little comfort to me that for the whole population the risk is small. FOR MY CHILDREN THE RISK IS HUGE!!
we have history of auto immune, reaction ( albeit minor) to vaccine and history of allergies and gut issues.

All risk is not the same. For your child the illnesses may be more dangerous . For my child the vaccine is way more dangerous than the illness.

there, there dear.

the hug is lovely. But do you have any gin?

It's when evidence from parents of vaccine damage is dismissed as anecdotal by someone who then goes on to say: "I know this kid who's now deaf from measles.." Very maddening.

There is a mass of evidence that at the very least the effects on individual children need to be looked at as Pagwatch says ..Beach as usual you are very articulate on this. Lilimama they are very interesting and passionate posts.

It seems that more and more people who do vaccinate are now saying: that's my choice but everyone must do what is right for their children.

It's not that long since a thread like this would have contained many, many accusations that non-vaccinators are endangering other people's children and even descended into vitriol. It's a very good change I think.

yes, dh bought me a bottle week befiore we found ds4 on the way.... haven't got sucgh a taste for it now- shall I try CLAIRvoyancy to shift it up yopur way???

Peachy it must take forever to login with all your caps and extra bits! are you going to stay this way?

As I keep saying if they are identifiable fine dont get them vaccinated but some decide their dc fall into this group with out seeking advice from the people who spent years studying so that they could be the ones who advise. Perhaps I'm beating my head against the computer every time I have to explain how my once perfect dd was damaged by what is seen as an innocent childhood illness and I am sure that more than 1% of children would be damaged/die if we stopped all vaccinations.

I sympathise with you if you feel vaccinations damaged your dc but mine was also damaged by not being vaccinated if I could go back in time I would have paid for the chickenpox vaccine - no mother should have to pray that if their dd has to die could they just see their smile again - which is what I did when my dd was at her worse.

Stuffit, nah just til I an be arsed to change back LOL (tried yesterday but MN was playing up and wouldn't let me in)

Sun shine that souns horrid, and I can't imagine how awful that must have felt. All anyone can do is the best for their children though, sometimes it won't be right but there's nothing else you can do.

It is the case that in America a child has been given a payout for ASD caused by MMR damage. Surely that should at least make poeple question vaccination?

If they decide to go ahead then fine but we're not at the same palce we were only a few months ago where there was no 'official' evidence- America is way ahead on all things ASD after all.

Sunshine you have a sad experience. But I have to say -- I can't just trust "people that have spent years studying".. For a start, most average doctors have spent very little time studying vaccines. I do have a brain, I like to use it, and I do have a right to question the received wisdom.

sunshine
they are identifiable if the NHS accepts the link and chooses to thoroughly investigate those children who have gut damage and regressed.
But while any questioning of the vaccination schedule is not permitted we have to persist with russian roulette.
BTW. I don't feel that my child was damaged. he was damaged.

And I suspect that not many would swap with my experience with my DS2. But I won't elaborate here as we are talking about the vaccination policy and not individual tales of damage and distress

Hello and stiff gin for pagwatch.

Russian roulette, that's exactly it. The government knows that some children will be damaged by vaccines but is doing nothing to try to screen for and protect those children. "Hey lets just line 'em up and jab 'em. We'll just deny any damage that happens and declare it a coincidence." is the current attitude.

The fact is that currently before administering a vaccine no effort is being made to find out if the child in question is more at risk from the disease or the vaccine. Turned out for my child and many others that the vaccine was a very bad idea. What happened to my daughter could have been avoided by a simple screening process.

Thank you lilimama. Again I agree with you.

All those confidently declaring that vaccine damage only happens to a tiny majority (still sucks if you are one of them and not one of the alright jacks) would you be so kind as to share where you are getting your information from as even the government itself doesn't have a clue how many kids are adversely affected by vaccines (they don't bother accurately counting).

No you cant always be right but what I'm trying to get at the MMR etc is not bad for all children and in fact can and does save lives so professional advice should be sought before ruling as I did and ended up going ahead with it as though my dd may have her problems at least I still have her and yes I have seen her beautiful smile again.

I guess I just feel that those who are anti vaccines shout louder than those who are for them and perhaps instead of just making people assess whether its right for their dc or not they are scared into not having it - whicj in my opinion can have just as damaging results than if the vaccine had been given.

Sunshine
I am not anti-vaccine
I am anti a vaccination policy that demands that everyone aim at herd immunity regardless of their childs history and vulnerability.
I never tell others not to vaccinate.
And I always listen fully to any professional advice offered. I researched each and every vaccination and the illnesses they are designed to prevent before I took the decisions I did.

You should not assume that those avoiding vaccination are doing so without full, earnest and thorough research

I just want to say to those who have not decided and have no history of vaccines causing problems do not be afraid to have them they can and do save lives. To all those who beleive/know the vaccine caused damage I am sorry but i also have a damaged child so which ever way you go with vaccines you stand the chance of having a damaged child it seems.

Sunshine I'm really sorry to hear of your child's experience of chicken pox. You are quite right that some children will become terribly ill with the diseases in question, some may even die.

However chicken pox, measles, etc being dangerous does not make vaccines safe. Just as vaccines causing death and damage does not make disease benign.

Your advice to seek professional opinion on vaccinating should be sound but in the current climate it is not. Doctors know little about vaccines and vaccine damage and are not encouraged to do so. How can we trust the professionals whilst they are not only still denying the vaccine/autism link but also failing to help children with vaccine induced autism and, terrifyingly, doing little to prevent the same happening to other children.

I trusted a doc. He jabbed my child and nearly killed her. This could have been avoided if the government would stop lying and covering their arses.