giving medicien that wasn't needed

[bumbly]

14 mnonth old given by docs strong antibiotics twice

turns out prob never needed as wrorng diagnosis

will this have hurt little one as such a young age???

what details do you need - no probs asking!

Have you seen a dermatologist? Differential diagnosis of rashes is REALLY hard, unless it something blindingly obvious. And often requires a skin scraping and lab analysis.

Personally I'd want to avoid further antibiotics unless it was necessary i.e. the cause had been diagnosed and antibiotics were appropriate. They have their place, and millions of people are alive who would have died without them, but giving repeated doses of strong anti-bs to a small child without knowing what's wrong is not a good idea IMO.

bumbly, anything you think of relevance really. how long, when since, any other symptoms to go with it, it would aslo be of use that depending on how far this goes back, your state of health and any problems you may have had during and/or after pregnancy and birth. the only question I would definately want to ask is have you ever had cold sores? apart from that I don't want to ''lead'' you in this, I want you to tell me if that makes sense?

hi bumbly, everything ok?

hi misi

ok - no cold sores from my end as far as iknow

sports reoccuring again - scattered on body

most odd

so just been very worried! will post a better post soon but really simply follicul-tis look a like rash which has been going on for months now and had very bad peak a month ago

if allergy have no idea to what!!

misi
are you a dermatologist?
My daughter just diagnosed with something we now heading to GOS
Sorry bumbly, didn't mean to butt in. I too am now thinking of things it might be for you...

Bumbly, my DD3 had a rash for almost 2 months post mmr vaccine (I think it's gone now - I am crap ); it was pretty odd-looking, on her trunk it resembled nettle stings, but on her limbs more like flea bites. Kept coming and going. Basically, they really can get funny rashes post vaccine.
I should add, she has been very well apart from this and rash didn't seem to bother her in the least (except for me and DH scrutinising her [hh]). She had a high temp about 10 days post-jab.

oh my gosh sazisi - sounds exactly like what my little one had - you say lasted two months!!?

flea bites type thing!!! and little one had a fever too - very similar

did it ever go really bad at one point?

can you say more???

I just checked her little book and she actually had the mmr on 5th september, so not quite 2 months yet (told you I was crap!). Anyway, checked today and it is still there a little bit, but not inflamed-looking, almost completely faded now.
It did look bad at one point, yes. Covered about 50% of her torso. Inflamed and welt-like; looked worse after naps, but came and went a lot, i.e. sometimes barely visible, then suddenly quite scarey-looking, then it would completely go down again to barely noticable.
At one point, it looked blistered in places, and we thought she had chickenpox, but it just faded, no scabbing at all.
I didn't take her to Dr, but rang when I first noticed and she immediately said "Mini-measles! From the mmr, don't worry about it"

Erm, I think that's about everything now. Hope I've been some help.
I hope your DD is same and gets better quickly If you want to ask any more questions please feel free

thanks so!!!!!!!!! much for info

with my little one happened after end aug after mmr

never went away but was always there with a massive peak in sept

did you little one have lesions in face??

ps did it ever look at what is on my profile pic??

now have less of them but still there with red halo around little white pimple

sorry, been away with my son for a few days for his birthday.

bumbly, the idea we have is that it is an immune related problem. I asked about cold sores as the spots from the photo looked somewhat like herpes simplex virus of some kind. in many western countries and especially with hospital born babies, the incidence of herpes simplex carrying is around 90% of the population. It is harmless when inactive, but in some cases where the immune system in compromised or ''taxed'' the HS can come out and often manifests as cold sores. but it can be on the skin too. One of the reasons I am having an ''argument'' with my ex at the moment is over vaccinations. she did not want any at all but now we are back in court, she wants the whole lot and her GP has said he will give all the jabs available over a 2 month period which is suicidal for his immune system and I am worried about his immune system becoming over active and compromised because of this. I have found no other GP willing to give so many jabs in such a short space of time. in younger children, the immune system is not fully developed and a recent study has suggested that one of the earliest given jabs be put off several more months from around 2-3 months old to around 6 months old as they have discovered that the immune system cannot cope as well as they first thought. as everyone is different, it may be that your baby's immune system was not as advanced as others and therefore it could be that the HS virus took the opportunity to come out and cause a rash/spots. this could explain the longevity as HS is difficult to get rid of as anyone with cold sores will know. As sazisi says too, it could also be mini measles. it is unusual for it to last several months as the immune system usually counters the attenuated virus much quicker than that but it may be a sign that your babies immune system has not developed as well as others at that age. nothing to be overly worried about unless there are other signs of immune related problems, but it is something to think about when having other vaccinations, having them far enough apart for the immune system to cope at this young age.

(ps, this can also be a symptom of non breast feeding. if a baby is not BF or stops BF'ing too soon then the immune system will take longer to mature).

if you are worried or if the spots continue, then the best way to find out is too ask if the GP will order some swab testing of them to find out if/what virus or bacteria is present in the spots. I doubt bacteria will be found as the ant B's already had would ahve cleared them up so a petri dish of a sample will soon show the virus responsible!!

hi bumbly, just had a look at the pic on your profile and I don't think DD3's rash ever looked quite as severe. Also her's was mainly on her front torso, with the odd bit elsewhere.
She had some on her arms, a few on her thinh and her foot whcih were like a pimple with red halo.
She was quite late having the mmr at 19m, so perhaps she'd have had a worse reaction if she'd had it sooner
She did have small areas on her face briefly, but she also had a little coldsore on her bottom lip/chin which I hadn't connected with the rash, but now having read misi's last post I'm thinking that might be connected to the mmr too.

I'm not anti-mmr, I'm glad my kids have had it, but DD2 had a bad reaction to it (high prolonged fever and a short-lived rash) so really didn't want DD3 to have it too early.

misi and saz you ar wonderful for taking time to reply to me

right - a swab was taken and found to be negative therefore not bacterial

either viral or immunological

re HS - question - i thought cold sores hurt...and little one had no symptoms whatsoever of pain or scratching or itching - even though lesions lookes well red!!

cold sores can hurt. HS is a wide range of problems depends on where it comes out, some can hurt, others itch, others just sit and look angry!!

it is strange about the swab. every one I have shown the pic too says it is an infection of some kind. when was the swab taken?

hi and thanks for this by the way - tongiht skin till got rash but now spots becoming smaller and smaller like pin pricks

swab was taken of one red halo central welch by gp roughly when photo was taken!!

Sounds like she's getting better