Are some pre schools being discriminatory around children's toileting needs?.

[Warmlight1]

Is running a facility - nursery/ pre school -for any under 5s, which stipulates they have to be toilet trained/ won't support with toilet training inherently discriminatory? I'm thinking children's developmental trajectory often isn't clear at that stage. I do feel that by the time they get to school it will be happening in most cases or there would often be an established reason why not.

Where I am that is recognised btw, is it not in the UK?

Yabu

Potty train your child. Instill good habits from day 1 by sitting on the potty as soon as they can sit. Then have a week off and go for it. After that, barring SEN, most kids are accident only.

@Warmlight1 You seem to be someone who knows all your rights and none of your responsibilities.

Preschools are not there just for your child - they have to manage the needs of many children and quite frankly you need to do the work of helping your child adjust to this environment - not expecting the environment (and indeed it seems, the whole world) to adapt to your personal way of parenting.

Nocturnal enuresis is a completely different ballgame.

What on earth is pathetic about nighttime bed wetting?

You don't sound very nice.

My daughters school were able to put adjustments in for her because of medical needs. She has food allergies that can present as loose stools that she doesn't always get much notice about. The school have been aware that this might mean that she needs to take herself straight to the toilet or can result in an accident.

In reception she communication needs where she didn't view the teachers as safe people to be vulnerable with so she would have accidents rather than ask for the toilet. They put in various strategies to lower the communication barrier and worked on her relationship with the teachers. Once they did this she stopped having accidents.

She had been using a potty since she was 7 months old and had been potty trained for nearly 2 years before she started school. A few months before starting school she managed an epic 2 day, 1000 mile, 16h car journey from the south of France to the north west England without an accident. Issues with toileting are multifaceted

It’s not nighttime bed wetting. It’s a refusal from her parents to potty train at night because it would mean getting out of bed with her.

I'm trying. She's sat on the potty periodically since 8 months, I've spent 2 separate weeks with her bare bummed trying. We try to do knickers only at weekend. But the harder we try, the more she resists. At the worst times, she seems traumatised by it all and scared of the potty. She's 3 and starting a school nursery in September. I'm really scared she won't be trained but am all out of ideas.

childminder here. I tell parents I’m more than happy to support but the first part where they are having multiple accidents needs to be at home so involves taking a few days off work. This was never a problem but I’ve found certain parents recently so reluctant to do this and feel I should do it. With other toddlers around I just can’t devote the 100% attention needed for that child. Ten years ago when I started minding, children were trained around 2 or at least people had started the process. I rarely had to buy bigger than size 5 nappies. Now people are leaving it until 3 despite me recommending much earlier (at my house they get put on toilet at certain times any way) .Most employed people still get the statutory holidays so why can’t they take a couple of days and then a weekend. I’d say it’s a real issue at the moment.

Surely it depends on what age they accept children from? If its age 3 and up i don't see why they can't insist on children being potty trained before they start, though of course accidents should be accepted and dealt with, if they take younger kids, 18 months or age 2 or whatever that wouldn't work. Where I live preschool are sessional and most kids are 3+ and potty trained. The ratio for this group is 10 dc per adult iirc so there really wouldn't be time for potty training.

It's not a personal.post- but I think my comments are mainly about the children, aren't they? That'd be the child's rights then. They do have rights.
No matter how good a parent if you aren't there you can't respond. No matter how wonderful a child they have their individual trajectory. They are not a template that you can do anything with.

Why is it every other adults responsibility, apart from the parents, to potty train?

Most places will accept accidents. Accidents happen. I wish more places would say no until trained and put the onus back on the parents.

How is not producing a certain hormone pathetic?

You don't 'potty train' at night time though?