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2 year old blood test - how will they be able to do it?!

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worried1717 · 14/09/2024 11:50

I have a nearly 3 year old with a speech delay, for which he has private speech therapy as we are waiting on the NHS list. It seems very likely he has dyspraxia, but he might have autism too but this is less clear.

A month ago, we had an appointment with the community paediatrician. He referred us for an ASD assessment as well as an absolute tonne of blood tests including genetics, nutrition, heavy metals, loads of stuff.

I have just received the report and blood test forms in the post. Firstly, it seems clear to me that the paediatrician has heavily over-egged things in the report. Just picking one example, he he has written that my son doesn’t share interest and does not bring toys to show us, which isn’t true - he does both those things often, and I said as much.

I suspect the paediatrician has exaggerated in order to get us a referral, which I am hugely grateful for if true. But I am also alarmed by the amount of blood work he will need - it seems like it will be at least 4 vials judging from the paper work?

What concerns me is that my son is massively afraid of the doctors, and has been ever since his 12 month blood tests. Nobody believes me when I say this, but I truly think that by 2 years old he’d learnt to recognise the NHS blue signs as he’d get hysterical when we pulled into car parks for medical things at buildings/locations that we’d never even once been to before. He never ever usually does this, he’s a relatively chilled-out character otherwise, and I can only put it down to seeing the NHS signs as we pull into the car park!!

He’s a big boy, he has always been well above the 99th percentile. He’s very strong. At 13 months old, he had to go to A&E for something unrelated to this and he totally freaked out, and would not allow the doctor to do general observations like temperature, heart rate, all that stuff.

In the end we had me lying on a hospital bed with my 13 month old son on top of me, my husband helping to hold him down, and the doctor helping to hold him down, and she still couldn’t actually complete her observations. I am honestly not exaggerating, it was totally impossible to keep him still enough.

How on earth are they going to be able to take that much blood from him? I’m worried firstly that it will cause him to fear the doctors even more, especially as over the past 12 months we’ve made some small progress with his fear. Secondly I’m really worried he will be injured in the attempt to take blood from him.

I suppose I’m also thinking that it’s a lot to put him through for the sake of him displaying dyspraxic symptoms as well as some potentially autistic traits which basically amount to being slightly more difficult to direct than other toddlers - I’m not trying to downplay it, I do think there’s a real potential it may be autism, but I also am realistic that he’s not IMPOSSIBLE to direct, he’s just a bit more wilful and single-minded than your average toddler.

I’m going to ring the number on the letter on Monday to talk about it, but I’m just wondering if mumsnet has any wisdom!

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Airtentmamma23 · 14/09/2024 11:59

I'm sure others will give a better answer here, but the people taking the blood tests are very experienced with young people/ babies usually. They'll use distraction, a local anaesthetic cream, a thinner needle/ butterfly with a tube that copes better if he moves. The key really here is you being very happy, chilled and calm and cuddling him whilst ots being done. If you're anxious your son will tell. My son is autistic for context. But actually it was decided prior to blood tests that they weren't required and he's not had them. But actually I wish we had as I often suspect something else. Take toys for sure and bribe with favourote food if you need to too.

worried1717 · 14/09/2024 12:07

Thank you @Airtentmamma23 - I will definitely take toys and snacks!! Thanks for saying about the butterfly needle thing, I've googled it and I can see that it looks less scary than a proper needle!

I just honestly don't think anyone will be able to hold him down still enough, and I'm scared it will end up getting ripped out and damaging his vein or something.

On the other hand I'm also keen for him to have the tests - I think if he doesn't have them, I will always wonder what they may have picked up, even if he turns out not to have SEN or whatever else!

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Garman · 14/09/2024 12:11

They’ll use a numbing cream and distraction tactics while you hold him.

thereiscustardinthejamtart · 14/09/2024 12:12

It’s many years since I was in this (very similar) position, but at the time … they let us chill out for as long as was needed in a playroom, then they put some local anaesthetic cream on his hand, then I sat with him reading stories with his arm strategically tucked under mine, I then kept reading stories while they used a butterfly needle.

Mumistiredzzzz · 14/09/2024 12:15

I'm sorry to say our local blood clinic were awful with my 4 year old, on two occasions. No empathy, didn't talk to her or try to help calm her. Second time, when she was crying they asked if she knew what was coming, then chuckled. It was a case of pinning down and getting on with it.

Mumistiredzzzz · 14/09/2024 12:15

Oh and they don't have numbing cream, buy it and apply before you go - they did not tell us this the first time.

MissMoneyFairy · 14/09/2024 12:16

No one is going to hold him down, they will be used to toddlers, use magic cream, distraction and play.

Flashcardsagain · 14/09/2024 12:18

They use an iPad at our place. One nurse shoves iPad under nose, the other one grabs the arm so the child can't see it. They ask the parent to hold tightly so they cant move the other arm. They distract by asking what the child wants to watch and questions about the show and it's all over in about 20 seconds.

The biggest issue is having to put down the iPad!

Key is also for you as parent to be bright and breezy, explain it has to be done so need to just get it over with. Don't convey nerves, don't lie about what's being done, don't tell them it won't hurt because it might, but do tell them it's very quick as long as they comply. The blood has to be taken so if they mess about them it'll just take longer and hurt more.

Sheelanogig · 14/09/2024 12:20

Ha e the hospital got a " health passport" or support for those with disabilities, additional needs Look on their website or phone the department. There should be way you can provide info before the appointment about your child, potential.issues about visiting hospital/tests etc.

They can then ensure they are prepared and support in place. Might be a private room with toys/TV to help you child relax whilst waiting and during. Ensure they have extra time incase your child is unhappy etc...

HateMyRubbishBoss · 14/09/2024 12:21

So a paediatrician on the nhs ordered all these tests including a heavy metals one ? 😯

honestly never heard of this before happening on the nhs especially for autism / dyspraxia …

honestly if I were you I’d be so grateful I’d just pin him down to make it happen!

TriggerWarning45 · 14/09/2024 12:25

Numbing cream is your friend.

Natsku · 14/09/2024 12:28

Use a numbing cream beforehand and put it on both arms just in case the veins aren't good on one side (a lesson I sadly learnt with my son, they tried the arm with the numbing cream on but the vein wasn't good, so then had to try the other, though that still didn't work so they can to try a different kind of needle that the blood dripped out of and they had to catch with the vial!)

My DD was really bad with blood tests, when she was a toddler it took 3 nurses to do it - 2 of them and me holding her still and one drawing the blood. Didn't cause long term harm, she was absolutely fine with blood tests a few years later.

BlossomToLeaves · 14/09/2024 12:28

Can you go for a visit to the hospital just to go to the cafe as a visit or something pleasant, so that he gets over the association with NHS = bad things? Or they might have a play therapist that can go through things with him.

worried1717 · 14/09/2024 12:35

Yes @HateMyRubbishBoss - I was very surprised too but grateful as you say! It also makes me wonder/worry if the paediatrician just had some sort of gut feeling about him if that makes sense, causing him to do what he had to do in order to get him referred...

Thanks all for the tips. I think the problem is that as soon as he enters the hospital he will already be on edge so we are starting from a bad position if that makes sense. It's as though he has a fear of "medical-looking things", so as soon as he sees anything vaguely medical instrument-esque he will already be upset. For example sometimes I get ready and put makeup on at the kitchen table whilst we're all eating breakfast, I have to wait until the children are finished and in another room before I can curl my eyelashes as he really doesn't like to see me using the eyelash curler!

The iPad is a great idea so thank you for that. He's never had a tablet except for one used at speech therapy for a specific exercise, and he goes absolutely mad for it. It definitely still has the novelty appeal for him - I'll borrow my mom's!

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worried1717 · 14/09/2024 12:38

@BlossomToLeaves that's something we've actually been doing a little bit over the last year, and it's been a long time since he's had to have his temperature taken there or anything like that, so he has been getting more comfortable with it. Still cries and needs calming down, but we're at a point now where he will actually walk into the buildings rather than having to carry him! I suppose I feel like after this, we will be back to square one.

Oh, and someone mentioned about using the type of needle where they let the blood drop in - if that's an option I actually think that would work better for him!

I'll make sure to buy my own numbing cream just in case too

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InTheRainOnATrain · 14/09/2024 12:48

Get numbing cream from the pharmacy and put it on an hour before. DS was in a study where he had to have a few blood tests, they gave us the cream but it’s also available over the counter, and he didn’t feel any of them.

BobandRobertaSmith · 14/09/2024 13:03

There are play therapy videos online to help children prepare for blood tests, although you may have to search to find one that is suitable for a toddler. You could also buy a toy doctor’s kit to model what happens with him and his toys. Perhaps taking him to the hospital coffee shop for a treat on non appointment days beforehand might help him to stop associating hospitals with fear.

AlmostCutMyHairToday · 14/09/2024 13:15

Mine had to have a blood test at about 2 years, and I was worried as I myself have a bad phobia of needles / blood tests and was worried my fear would rub off on him.
I found that role-playing with a doctors kit for a few weeks really helped both of us prepare. And talking about how amazing the human body is, and what an amazing job doctors do, etc. Personally, I also find it helps to walk around a doctors office / hospital beforehand to become familiar with the location without the pressure of having a procedure done.
They were very good with him, and distracting him with books and stickers. He did cry but he calmed down towards the end. We also found it really helped for him to be hydrated - the blood didn't come out the first try as he hadn't had enough to drink. A few sips later and all good.
Once it was done I took a picture of him in the chair, and he got a special sticker. We talked about it when we got home, so it wasn't just swept under the carped (which was how my parents 'dealt' with my own experiences).

AlmostCutMyHairToday · 14/09/2024 13:15

Oh and there are buzzy bee things you can by that are meant to help distract from the pain.

Sirzy · 14/09/2024 13:19

Contact them in advance and let them know the potential issue and ask for a play therapist to be there. They are fantastic in this kind of situation.

with ds we don’t use the numbing cream and the time that is on adds to the stress. Instead we use the numbing spray which is instant and makes a massive change.

SeaToSki · 14/09/2024 13:26

Do you have a play doctors set at home? If not I would get one and use it every day. He can take teddys temperature etc. I would also get a print out of a blue NHS sign and stick it on the fridge with a few other sign and then play which letter is this games with them.
there is a Richard Scary book, Nicky Goes to the Doctor, I would add that to the story rotation (but not at bedtime, until it doesnt upset him)

Mmr224 · 14/09/2024 13:53

Our little girl is in and out of hospital a lot and has had lots of blood tests.

She has a chronic condition which used to mean monthly blood tests from 6 weeks old, but also means very susceptible to infection and has to go to hospital for a temperature for assessment. She gets very distressed about needles and blood tests.

She needs immediate blood tests on admission due to her illness and in the past we have had to hold her to have them done. Now she sits on my knee facing me, we look at an iPad and I wrap arms round her with a nurse holiday her arm they need behind my back. We use the numbing cream, they talk her through what is happening, ask which hand or arm to use, she understands why it is needed. In her case she can go from well to intensive care in a couple of hours and they need to know what they're treating immediately for her safety. There isn't enough time to delay safely.

We got a dress up medical set, practiced looking in ears, throat, taking temperature and using stethoscope at home and let them try too on us and talked about what each did and why. Her consultant does the same during appointments..

Numbing cream on both hands and both arms is a good idea. Call in advance and see if you can go in early to have that done before the planned appointment, and ask if they have play specialist and or play hub/toy area where he can play, the cream needs about 30-40 minutes to work. The freeze spray works too and is instant if they need to try somewhere the cream wasn't placed. We are working with the play team to reduce fear of the blood tests and the person she works with comes to her consultant appointments and is really helpful. We are also going in between appointments to see her at the play hub to break the association of hospital = bad.

Good luck.

stopringingme · 14/09/2024 14:06

@worried1717

My DD does not enjoy blood tests etc.

We always arrange to have them at the Children's unit at a hospital an hour away as they only deal with children and that is where we see the paediatrician.

The easiest way we have found is that my DH sits with DD on his lap with his arms crossed over the front of her and her arm sticking out, sort of behind, she cannot see what is happening, the nurses keep out of her eyeline with the needles.

I stand in front of her talking, singing - distracting.

They also have a TV in the room, so they put that on.

We always request the numbing spray as it works immediately, rather than waiting for the cream to work.

Contact wherever you need to have the bloods taken and ask to be seen immediately on arrival as the waiting I find is the worst part, some agree some don't.

She had a general anaesthetic a couple of months ago and I arranged to have the blood tests done while she was asleep.

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