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Is it still possible to get the 5-in-1 vaccine?

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greekyogurtaddict · 06/12/2022 02:13

Where can I get the old 5-in-1 vaccine? Or how can I give the other routine vaccinations without giving hepB, i.e are there other licensed vaccines available in the UK? My other children were vaccinated with the 5-in-1 and were fine so I feel more comfortable sticking with what I know plus the only vaccine I'm not convinced about is the hepB. I do not want baby to go unvaccinated for everything just to avoid hepB vaccine. Yes I know it is used the world over and she will need it anyway if she becomes a healthcare worker etc but it seems children are potentially more vulnerable than adults to the vaccine effects so, given hepb is usually a harmless and fairly uncommon (in the UK) illness after age 5, I would rather it be her decision when she is older.

I've read quite a few papers about the non-specific effects of non-live vaccines and hepatitis B appears to have the most question marks in this respect that are balanced out by the fewest positive effects, i.e inconclusive risk of MS and other neurological effects i.e this: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27501128/ the effects of non-live vaccines on increasing illness from non targeted diseases appears especially worse in girls due to their immune response, girls typically have a stronger first line of defense, but when they do get sick get sicker than boys because they produce more inflammation, and this first line defense is dampened by the vaccines as they are squewed towards a th2 response, so I'd rather reduce the number of non-live vaccines, not that I can really avoid Dtap if I want tetanus etc. The risk of my baby contracting hepb at an age that they might be likely to develop a chronic infection is very small (no immigrants amongst close contacts, don't travel abroad, no childcare, etc etc.) also she is female and males are far more at risk from chronic hepb.

Live vaccines actually seem to confer a positive effect so if I do give her the 6-in-1 I could give her the BCG soon afterwards as this appears to have a neutralising effect at the very least and gives her the added bonus of TB immunity. I don't believe it is possible to get this on the NHS? has anyone done so without a risk factor? I am concerned about using dodgy private clinics with potentially unlicensed vaccines from goodness knows where, how do I check they are what they are claimed to be?

MMR appears to a be a good thing as it makes the immue system more robust (wild measels wipes out the immune memory!) but she has to wait a long time for this.

One such paper on non-specific effects if curious: www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-0338-x

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