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Child queasy / sore tummies in evening

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Jakki0 · 29/08/2020 00:15

Hi

Our 10 year old daughter has suffered queasy / sore tummies in the evening for years. It tends to be worse in the winter. If she gets a bug of any kind (ear, nose, throat, virus) she will have sore tummies for a few weeks afterwards.

For the last year she also gets sore ear/head a lot at bedtime too. Last year she had a low white blood count/neutrophils which think was due to bacterial infection as a result of being on probitotics recommended by a nutritionalist who was helping with the queasy/sore. Antibiotics helped.

She is very happy during the day so don’t think anxiety. If she has greasy food seems to be worse, and white carbs (gluten & gluten free) make her feel ill. Also she is very nasally when speaks that had wondered with the sore ears/head if perhaps sinuses as sounds like has a post nasal drip when sleeping.

She is off dairy and gluten.

Lots of things been investigated but we can’t get to the route of it so thought would see if any others have had and if established what was causing.

Thank you!!!

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HebeMumsnet · 30/08/2020 20:20

Just bumping this for you, OP. Hope you're daughter's ok.

Taikato · 03/08/2021 23:06

Hi, just wondering if you have had any success with your daughters sore tummies. I am having a very similar issue and not getting any answers. My daughter is also getting sore joints mainly at night and is now experiencing sore eyes with one a little blurred. Pediatrician advised laxative and re-check in 3 months. They say it is normal for a child of this age to have sore tummies. I am not sure what they think is normal about it all. This all began after having a bad flu in June and tummy pain hasnt stopped since then. Hoping you may have answers now to share.

snackodactyl · 12/08/2021 22:32

argh, Zombie thread but i’ve come looking for a thread exactly like this. 9 yr old DD has had an almost identical situation tonight, some greasy food and gluten-y foods and feeling queasy tonight. to add to the worry she can start shaking uncontrollably with it too. thought we’d got to the bottom of it after blood tests ruled out coeliacs and deficiencies.

she did develop a temporary lactose intolerance as a toddler so starting to think it all might be a gut bacteria thing? i’m not sure of probiotics for kids so we give Actimels a go for a bit until things settle down. they seem too synthetic though, not sure my DD could stomach Yakult though.

not much help OP but hoping your DD is better now.

CheapMustard · 15/02/2023 18:51

Sorry, zombie thread, but I literally could have written this. Right down to the nasal drip. Did you ever get anywhere? My daughter too has low neutrophils at 1.4 but they don’t do anything just retest. This has been going on since May last year. Any advice very much appreciated, I’m getting nowhere with GP’s.

GlamorousBadger · 15/02/2023 22:40

Hi, just replying as I was searching threads for similar not too long ago. Ended up paying to see a consultant privately as was fed up of worrying!

He said some children can simply have overactive immune systems which can contribute to symptoms such as nasal drip and in my daughters case huge tonsils as a result of picking up any virus. This can then have a knock on effect to stomach pain, it’s called mesenteric adenitis. Basically the lymph nodes in the stomach swell in response to any infection elsewhere in the body. It can last for weeks and weeks after a virus apparently. Worth a google as a lot of it fitted with my daughter’s symptoms. May not be the case for you of course but thought I would share!

Jakki0 · 16/02/2023 00:05

Hi

Thank you for the replies.

Firstly apologies this is a long post but in case it helps.

An update - we struggled to be heard that ear, nose or throat infection would start off months in the winter of sore/queasy stomachs, struggling with greasy food, milk, pasta (gluten or gluten free) etc then in spring would get better. She would also get headaches, sore throat and sore ear. But didn’t have stereotypical tonsillitis symptoms.

The last few years it got worse and she would get progressively iller over a number of weeks then eventually would get a spot on tonsil and antibiotics which helped but didn’t clear 100%. After seeing lots of doctors we eventually took her to a private GP who advised thought mesenteric adonitis and that penicillin doesn’t work on everyone fully so prescribed Azithromycin. It cleared her up fully within 5-7 days, just one pill for three days. Her sore stomaches stopped too.

He advised that research suggested going in earlier & stronger with antibiotics for mesenteric adonitis to stop it becoming chronic for months. We have struggled through local surgery but have got Azithromycin privately when she has got queasy stomach, sore throat, head etc and it has worked

I have been careful as don’t want to just give antibiotics if a cold. So in September the usual happened, I waited 2 weeks of her getting worse (queasy tummy, headaches, sore throat, sore ear) to check not a virus before took to surgery but they wouldn’t give anything as no spots on tonsils. I waited another week & took her to the private GP and within 5-7 weeks of taking Azithromycin she was better again

ENT doctor last year has also finally agreed and said that if ongoing infection then glands to side of stomach can get inflammed and as as next to intestine this can impact digestion. He also said when looked at her tonsils she had evidence of chronic tonsilitis (a previous ENT doctor was dismissive and said “they aren’t prize winning”). We think perhaps infection starts behind her tonsils which is why no evidence for long periods of time. The low neutrophils/white blood count could indicate that fighting bacterial infection over a long period of time. A few months after her antibiotics last year her count was higher.

The paediatrician having ruled out gluten intolerance, stomach migraines and a lot of other things in October said mesenteric adonitis is recognised in other countries but not here so he was going to write a letter to surgery to advise to give Azithromycin as it obviously works for her but he had to word the letter carefully as the NHS didn’t recognise it as a chronic condition. . We have had it twice since then (December and a couple of weeks ago) and both times it has cleared her (she did have spots on tonsils earlier this time).

I also can tell something going on as gets little white spots to sides of nose/on nose as well and these have cleared up too which think can get from gut bacteria

We are seeing ENT again in a month and have got everything crossed they listen and we can have her tonsils removed rather than relying on antibiotics all the time. I had mine out at 18 years old and best thing that happened to me.

For food - nutritionalist suggested resistant starch could be why struggles as harder to break down and this makes sense. She suggested fresh pasta which definitely has been better. However, now that the antibiotics have cleared things up sooner so she hasn’t got the sore glands all winter then she has been able to keep to eating most things.

I hope this helps others as it has take 6-7 years of battling and advising the same story (that ear, nose or throat infection starts months of sore/queasy stomaches and fine again in spring) every year to finally get to this point. Our worst year she became a shadow of herself as so ill but didn’t present with temperature, didn’t see spots on tonsils for 4 weeks as had at doctor weekly, she had sore head and ears but no inflammation.

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CheapMustard · 16/02/2023 07:39

@Jakki0 @GlamorousBadger

Thank you both so much for your replies, @Jakki0 and for such detail. I have never heard of this before. This has been going on for over a year, the NHS peads has just ruled out a lot of things,but come to no conclusion other than possible IBS. The GP has been repeating blood tests since last June, but again no conclusion.

From your advice I’ll do some research and start asking questions. It so awful seeing your child so run down. She’s be come quite anxious now.

The power of mumsnet. Thank-you!

Jakki0 · 16/02/2023 08:54

@CheapMustard

Good luck. It is heartbreaking to see them suffer and not be able to fix. Our daughter got so anxious too every winter as feeling miserable all the time.

Shw used to be scared as never knew if she was going to be sick or not. She wasn’t but just felt like she was going to be all the time.

it also didn’t help that lots of people would link stomachs to anxiety so suggest it was the anxiety causing, however, you know your child. She would be fine until an ENT infection, which incidentally could just seem like a small cold, then that would kick off the months of misery. The colds would start when she was happy within self.

We saw so many Doctors and it took eventually seeing the right one privately, who was a GP rather than a consultant -
note: :when we saw the NHS paediatrician again for our annual appointment
in October he did say that NHS limited by what recognise which is why people go private but that now we had found something that worked he would try to support. I even tried alternative therapies when wasn’t getting anywhere.

The low neutrophils can mean they struggle to fight bacterial infections due to low levels,
but it also I believe can mean they can have been fighting a bacterial infection for a long time so be reduced. Last year I asked for our daughter’s bloods to be taken again 2-3 months after the antibiotics made her better and whilst they weren’t massively high they were significantly higher than previous years when she hasn’t had the antibiotics.

I hope you get to the route of things for your daughter and she is feeling better soon.

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