Child Vaccinations

[FallonJade21]

Just a quick wondering about peoples opinions of vaccinating. With all the backlash that they've had recently i'm really in two minds whether or not to vaccinate. Please let me know what you think.

Exactly. josh

There are medical contraindications. They are listed on the information inserts, all of which are available online. Contraindications include previous allergic reaction to an ingredient and certain other serious complications. There is also a list of conditions or which you need to seek pecific advice before administrations (history of febrile convulsions, immune conditions, and some others). Source: hexa leaflet.

People who follow that advice, and either do not have some jabs done, or who follow and amended schedule are not anti-vaxxers. They are acting responsibly on medical advice rooted in the evidence based, and widely published.

If you don't vaccinate your child make sure you are ALWAYS wearing your tin foil hat at ALL TIMES.

Wakefield was struck off as a doctor for effectively lying and making up pretty much all of his research. He was a lying, self serving snake oil merchant.

AuntieStella there is a difference in personally risk assessing your child as more likely to suffer rare vaccine side-effects either without or contrary to medical advice, and being advised by a doctor that your child is at risk from these side effects. The first threatens herd immunity and puts children who cannot be vaccinated for real medical reasons at risk, while the second identifies the people who we should all protect by getting vaccinated and contributing to herd immunity.

P.S. I can't help but think that by 'people who follow the amended schedule' you mean people who are irrationally scared of vaccines because they overload the immune system (first it was mercury, then MMR, now aluminium and the overloaded immune system are vying for idiocy of the year award with respect to vaccines).

There are constraints and uncertainties in all areas of science so it bothers me when posters say "I trust the science and not antivaxxers"...yet the science isn't ever sure of itself.

Yes, but it uses evidence to point in a certain direction.

So on whooping cough - even allowing the asymptotic transmission model turns out to be correct, the current research sets out lower rates of AT in vaccinated than in unvaccinated people - so in addition to the personal protection of vaccination (though we can all agree the pertussis vaccine is pretty imperfect) then there are also herd benefits not only in reducing circulating disease but in lowering asymptomatic transmission.

The science still points to - have the DTaP, both for your own protection and others.

Vaccinate your child op.

Does your baby go into anaphylactic shock after eating egg? If no she does not have an egg allergy. An egg allergy is not a contraindication to protecting your child from serious illnesses. Please research only reputable evidence based sites. There is a lot of rubbish out there.

For avoidance of doubt, the amended schedule I meant is when your consultant or GP provides it, based on the actual conditions present (relevant conditions when medical advice should be sought are listed in each pack's insert - easily found online if anyone wants to check ahead of booking a jab appointment)

NoMorePoliticsPlease

Does your baby go into anaphylactic shock after eating egg? If no she does not have an egg allergy. An egg allergy is not a contraindication to protecting your child from serious illnesses. Please research only reputable evidence based sites. There is a lot of rubbish out there.

My child has severe egg allergy and carries epipens yet hasn't ever (yet) had anaphylaxis. She is under the care of Adam Fox. She is not allowed any egg containing vaccines unless given in hospital. You are giving dangerous advice!

JassyRadlett

But people saying "you can't argue with science" don't seem to understand that even science gets things wrong, isn't exact, is evolving etc.

Booboostwo

Your ignorance is laughable.

As awful as anti vaxxers are the attitude in threads like this is almost as bad jumping straight in so angrily when there’s an OP here who possibly needs gentle reassurance and some facts to enable them to come to the right decision.

OP I totally j sweat and your concerns. One of my dc is severely egg allergic plus other allergies we had vaccinations done in hospital and he was 100% done he’s just not allowed the flu vaccine and has been fully vaccinated otherwise
We had to stay on the day ward for a few hours and had a follow up call the day after

I felt huge relief afterwards that he was ok and also that he was then protected x

J sweat-understand seems autocorrect is having fun today!

I do think OP is right to question things though as there are contraindications to slenvaccines like I said above about the flu one and egg allergy we should be able to question things and make our own decisions

Some vaccines not slen

AC 😡

My child did actually have anaphylaxis on more than one occasion to egg but not a hint of any reaction to mmr

JoshLinda great argument. . Truly impressive piece of reasoning there, following a pattern of excellent critical thinking.

"As awful as anti vaxxers are the attitude in threads like this is almost as bad jumping straight in so angrily when there’s an OP here who possibly needs gentle reassurance and some facts to enable them to come to the right decision."

If this is the case then op needs to be talking face to face with a doctor - not online with strangers who could be anybody - to 'come to the right decision'.

IF you are in the position that your child CAN have vaccinations please seriously consider having them done. They are recommended for a very good reason. Childhood illnesses can kill.

My DD can not have vaccines [severe IUGR, very severe failure to thrive and has complex benign bone tumors managed by surgery/oncology] She caught measles. It got in her eyes. She was ill. Sadly her weird immune system souped the virus up and passed it onto her dad - who had already had measles.

Her dad was beyond ill and collapsed. He had to be admitted into negative pressure isolation, his fever refussed to drop and he became dangerous delirious, could not breathe, had liver and then renal problems, nearly lost all his sight and darn well nearly died from 'just' measles. He may have survived but it has left him with a lot of scars and ongoing health problems.

I would not wish that experience on anyone else much less a little kid.

You cite Wakefield negatively however his research was published and has been replicated.

It was published but has NEVER been replicated, and lots of people have tried.

Correlation is not causation.

But people saying "you can't argue with science" don't seem to understand that even science gets things wrong, isn't exact, is evolving etc.

Actually science doesn't get it wrong, the people interpreting it sometimes do, but even then the errors become smaller over time.

Eg people thought the earth was flat, then they thought it was a sphere and the centre of the universe, now it is believed to be an oblate spheroid.

All the time the earth was not changing shape, the science was the same, the human interpretations were different.

sashh for what it's worth no one, other than some clerics in the Middle Ages and the modern Flat Earth Society, ever thought the earth was flat. Aristotle, writing in the 5th century BC, has three logical and scientific arguments from which he concludes that the earth must be round.

Even the clerics in the middle ages were (mostly) not that thick - the Old English translation of Boethius’ Consolation of Philosophy describes the earth being held in space like an egg yolk suspended within an egg. They knew full well it was spherical. It just fitted some later PR to say they hadn’t.

Oh look i think i can almost see the point of the thread from here...

HI, just wondering for those parents whose children were born before July 2017, what did you do in regards to Hepatitis B vaccine? I just realised this was only made availlable starting Autumn 2017.
Thanks!