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Poo habits, does this need checked out?

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Nogodsnomasters · 15/08/2019 23:47

My ds4 almost 5 usually poops once a day or at least 6 out 7 days a week at least. He has a poor diet due to asd and sensory issues ever since weaning at 6 months. In June he had a stomach bug which resolved within a couple of days but since then he has frequently complained of tummy aches and nausea off/on, at least once a week or more. On the days he does complain I've noticed he'll sometimes poop twice that day instead of once but thought nothing of it.

However last night he told me his tummy hurt before bed and did a large poo, slept as normal, woke me this morning to tell me his tummy hurt and did another poo. About an hour later said it still hurt and went back to the toilet again, this time he sat on the loo for an entire hour saying his poo was stuck and pushing n pushing. I checked it after and it was a very small amount of soft poo. Same thing again at lunch time 3rd poo of the day stayed on the loo for 45 mins pushing, again looked small amount and soft consistency. At bed time 4th poo of the day this time just a normal length of time spent on there, larger amounts soft again.

He's now lying beside me sleeping and I can hear his tummy gurgling off/on. So in space of 24hrs he's had 5 bowel movements.
Should we see gp about this or am I over thinking/over reacting?

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Nogodsnomasters · 16/08/2019 06:50

And we're woken up again with another "my tummy hurts" back to the toilet, large poo a lot more mushy/watery this time compared to yesterday.

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GeriAtric · 16/08/2019 09:38

It's definitely not good for him to be sitting on the toilet for such long periods. I'd take him to see a GP.

MrsKCastle · 16/08/2019 10:34

Yes, go to the GP. It sounds as though the nausea and stomach pain have been going on for some weeks. I'd ask the GP to check for Coeliac disease, or whether he could have a blockage causing the constipation. (It is possible to have a blockage but still be pooing).

Nogodsnomasters · 16/08/2019 10:46

Thank you for replies. I did briefly think blockage myself but thought how could he do 6 poos in 36hrs if he's blocked?! He hates doctors and hospitals and it's hard with his asd so I don't like to take him unnecessarily if I'm just over reacting but based on your replies I will definitely take him on Monday, it's too late today as you must phone before 9.30 for a same day appointment.

Can you just develop celiac disease after a tummy bug? Now I think back when he had the tummy bug after having only 3 bouts of diarreah in the one day he then didn't poo for 3 days after that and I assumed it was because he didn't ingest much for a few days and was throwing up what he did eat but could this have been the start of a blockage?

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Nogodsnomasters · 21/08/2019 14:57

My dh took my son to the gp and she didn't even feel his tummy! I had to work and sent him with a diary I had been keeping for 7 days to show the symptoms, she said it was indicative of constipation and prescribed movicol and asked us to come back in a week if there was no improvement. He has now gone down to 2 bowel movements a day but each one is accompanied by stomach cramps and although the poo is mushy he is still having to strain to get it out and sitting on the loo for long periods of time. I'm still confused as to how constipation can cause MORE bowel movements than normal and not less? Has anyone else been through this please xx

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GeriAtric · 21/08/2019 16:43

I'm not sure. I'd advise you to take him to see another gp though. I had chronic constipation as a child (as a result of witholding) and every time I saw a gp they had a good feel of my belly. Also more recently when I had post-partum constipation. My understanding is that it's standard practice so I'd be a bit concerned that it hadn't been done.

nocoolnamesleft · 21/08/2019 20:48

The last part of the gut (the rectum) is effectively a stretchy squeezy hosepipe held closed by a doughnut at the end (the anus). In someone who is not constipated, the last part of the gut sits empty most of the time. Then the gut higher up pushes down some poo, you feel it pushing against the walls of the rectum, and you know that before long you'll need to poo. When someone is becoming constipated, for whatever reason, the poo in the rectum is building up faster than it is coming out. This can happen even with regular pooing, if the regular poo isn't enough volume to make up for what is coming into the rectum. The more poo builds up, the longer it sits in the rectum. Whilst it sits there, more water gets sucked out of it by the gut walls, drying it out. So the increasing amount of poo gets harder.

So you now have an increasingly big, increasingly hard, mass of poo sitting in a squeezy stretchy hosepipe. Which stretches. As it stretches, it gets less good at pushing. As it gets used to being stretched, this interferes with signals going back up to the brain from the rectum, so it can go from constantly sending a message that poo is ready to come out, to never sending that message. And not being able to tell when there is a natural wave of pushing coming through the gut, which can help poo come out.

Then you have the problem of the mass of poo pushing on the bum hole. This can have a similar effect to a baby's head pushing on the cervix in labour...it can thin it and stretch it out. So now it's harder to push out hard rocks of poo, but also harder to hang onto squishy poo, which can cause accidents.

But why is there squishy poo, I hear you ask? Okay, whilst all this is going on, there's still food and drink going into the gut, and all the digestive juices. This means that higher up the gut, before it turns into poo as we know it, there is more liquid poo. More and more liquid or soft poo trapped behind a blockage of hard poo stuck in a stretched out hosepipe. So whenever the hard poo shifts a little, the soft poo from higher up squeezes past, and can come out pretty much like diarrhoea.

Obviously I don't know for sure that your child has constipation...but it sounds pretty likely, and if so that's the process. Treatment is based around firstly clearly out the old rocks of poo, and then secondly (and really really importantly) keeping the poo soft and squidgy, with no hard bits, so that the gut can gradually heal back up.

You might find www.eric.org.uk useful.

Nogodsnomasters · 21/08/2019 23:53

nocoolnamesleft thank you so much for the explanation as that made a lot of sense. I'll try the movicol for one week and if no improvement then we'll go back to the gp and insist someone at least feels his stomach! I really thought that would have been the bare minimum to expect fgs.

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