Pedaetrician that is not pro-vaccine

[Lilelya]

Hi everyone,

I’m currently pregnant with child number two and reading up on the vaccines and as many of you know there is a sea of information to go through. I would love to have a contact of a professional with whom I can discuss alternative vaccination schedules and get his/her opinion on separate vaccines in general.

I am based in London.

Thanks in advance!

Best,

Yelena

You may as well ask for a National Front member who supports unlimited immigration. Qualified medics support vaccination.

@Lilelya is the echo chamber not working as you'd like? Look up peer reviewed studies not Mercola propaganda. Funnily the aim of the NHS is to prevent illness in children not cause it

You're going to have to find a homeopath or other alternative therapy person because vaccines saving lives is medical fact so doctors will know the positives.

So you’d like a practicing medically qualified professional who doesn’t believe in the subject in which they are a qualified, professional practitioner?

I can’t imagine why you’re having trouble finding plenty of options.

Look up baby jabs, it’s run by Dr Richard Halvorsen he offers alternative schedule to the nhs and single vaccines.

You know the fact you cannot even spell paediatrician properly doesn't fill me with confidence that you are able to make an informed decision.

Maybe hand this one over to one of the grown ups?

@kardashianlove Perfect, thank you very much. I’ve read several books on the subject and summaries of about 400 studies, so I am prepared with questions. :)

To everyone else who is reading and feeling strongly about the subject and has time to post their opinions even though they aren’t asked for - I am not necessarily looking for an anti-vaccine doctor and neither am I anti-vaccine myself. I am simply questioning the schedule, some specific combinations and needs for certain vaccines, and because it is my kids I’m thinking about I want to make an informed decision rather than blindly trust one side or another. There has been plenty of evidence of mistakes on both. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, I suggest it is you who should start researching.

@viques Child 1 was vaccinated fully. The reason why I’m staring to question things is because of some adverse reactions he had (thank God nothing permanent or too serious), and also because of recent changes in vax schedule (introduction of 3 shots of Hep B before 4m old). That snowballed into reading about each particular vaccine and its ingredients in general and once you know details and statistics (and I’m not talking forums, what I mean is national reports of side effects and medical studies), you want someone to be able to answer your questions. I don’t want to go to NHS directly because I see a conflict of interest. So it’s simply that.

I’m not saying to anyone you should or should not vaccinate your kids, I think it’s a decision that everyone has to make, and if your decision is to trust the system, I respect that too.

I just wish people wouldn’t get mad about me simply asking questions

@weakasIam a little kindness wouldn’t hurt you

I think it’s a decision that everyone has to make

Where I live, thankfully it’s not.

If you want to live in a society, cheeky by jowl with other human beings, you respect their physical autonomy in every which way. You don’t run them over with your car, you don’t stab them, you don’t expose them to fatal and preventable disease.

Don’t be so bloody ridiculous. Your child is no more or less precious than anyone else’s.

I don’t want to go to NHS directly because I see a conflict of interest.

I'm curious about this. I can absolutely see that in an American style system, sickness is money and therefore the system isn't necessarily to be trusted. But the NHS is nationalised and therefore sickness is to be discouraged. That's why GPs are paid more for prevention.

What were the adverse reactions your first child had? If they didn't have a great day on the day of the innoculations then that's pretty standard. If they had an allergic reaction than that's obviously something that needs reviewing for your second. It's far more dangerous to your child and society at large to not get the vaccinations. They are there to prevent a multitude of diseases that have killed/damaged people for many generations.

I also doubt the NHS has a conflict of interest. The NHS is stretched beyond financial capacity as it is. If they could start fobbing people off without administering medication I think they'd be more than willing if it wouldn't have a knock on financial cost to treatment and health long term. You can pay privately if you want a different schedule for baby innoculations, it's been like that for years, but it would be personally funded.

Ah, I really hope me and dc don't cross paths with you or your children.
If you don't go for the vaccines I've heard fruit and veg helps.

I shouldn't be shocked at this "one side or the other" framing but I really am. How on earth did you get the idea that these are equal sides in some honest debate?
Look at it this way: one side thinks that invisible green monsters cause lung cancer. The other side thinks that smoking is a primary cause. But let's not just buy into "one side or the other". Nope. Better listen equally to both sides.
And the flying spaghetti monster will touch us with His Noodly Appendage too. Gah!

And no, the NHS does NOT profit by giving your DC a free vaccine. There is absolutely no conflict of interest. Just people working very hard and very long hours to try to save your DC's life.
But sure, go private - no one is profiting from your anxiety there, oh no..

because it is my kids I’m thinking about I want to make an informed decision rather than blindly trust one side or another.

There isn't an other side, there is medicine and quacks.

Listening to the 'other side' or anti vax is like going to a conference on child protection and then saying, "OK but what do the paedophiles think?"

There has been plenty of evidence of mistakes on both.

No there is not, there was one huge mistake made by Andrew Wakefield who, guess what, had just patented a single jab and made a fortune.

If you don’t know what I’m talking about, I suggest it is you who should start researching.

Where are you researching? How old are the journals you are reading from? Are you reading UK publications?

Do you realize that when the vaccines are combined they have fewer antigens than the singles? That vaccines are continually developed?

Giving single doses does three things, leaves the child vulnerable for longer, gives them higher doses of antigens and gives higher doses of the other chemicals used to keep the vaccine working. The stuff the antivaxers love to go on about.

In fairness to the OP- title is misleading- a delayed vax schedule is different to being anti vax- and will be easier to find that what the title states. Delayed schedule is possible, but you'll have to also be prepared to pay for this privately.

Are you sure you mean Hep B? This isn’t a standard vaccine in the UK. It’s only offered in certain circumstances and in those cases is a very important one not to miss.

isit she likely means men b but despite having done lots of research couldn't remember which vaccinations are given....

If she does mean meningitis b I’m sure the extensive reading means she knows that replaced meningitis c in the under 4 month group rather than being an additional vaccine. And it’s only 2 doses, not 3 at that age.

From my very limited medical knowledge (I'm more than happy to be wrong). Hep B vaccination has been offered to babies since 2017 as the 3 jabs are now deemed to offer sufficient lifelong immunity vs the top up every 5yrs. Regardless, parents who choose to not immunize are essentially relying on everyone else to. If your baby isn't vaccinated and no one else does the same then that's exactly how an epidemic starts.

Apologies if it’s been added in, is it in the combined vaccination? That would be good news considering how much worse it is to contract in childhood than as an adult.

Hep B is now given as part of the primary schedule yes, it’s in with diphtheria/tetanus/polio/hib and whooping cough

If you "just want to ask questions" of someone expert then there are quite a few specialists in Paediatric Immunology working privately in London. Most of their work will relate to allergy but accreditation covers immunity as well.

You may pay your money and not hear what you want to hear though, but that goes for most things.