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Recurrent UTI in 4yo DD - tests coming back negative??

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ottolinemorel · 26/02/2018 13:31

My 4yo DD has been having recurrent bouts of stinging wees since last October. Each time one comes on she runs a high temperature, complains of stomach/flank pain and wets herself frequently. The last time it happened she had a fever, chills, diarrhoea and swollen, puffy eyes, and her urine sample showed up blood. She even smelt 'off'. We were given trimepothrin and within 48 hours of starting ABs her symptoms disappeared. However the doctor rang to say her results had actually come back from the lab clear and that we should stop ABs immediately.

My gut instinct is telling me that this isn't right. I've never seen her so poorly as the last time she had one of these UTI-like episodes, and the fact that her symptoms cleared up so quickly on ABs is making me wonder. The other times she's been denied ABs the symptoms recede gradually but always reappear within a few weeks.

We've ruled out other diagnoses and have worked with a Health Visitor on toileting. She is stubborn and holds in her wee which I'm sure doesn't help, but I can't believe the only underlying reasons are behavioural. I am going back to the GP to talk about next steps as I suspect there is low level bacterial infection going on (her test results always show elevated WBC count but not significant enough to indicate infection). I suspect she may need low-level AB treatment to clear and prevent infection.

My question is: has anyone else ever been fobbed off by GPs about UTIs in children, and whats the best approach to taking it further? I'm going to ask for a referral to paediatric urologist and see where that gets us. I should mention there is a family history of chronic UTIs on both sides so I want to address this early.

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NickyNora · 03/03/2018 09:42

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ChristineC320 · 03/03/2018 21:11

Trust your instincts, you have them for a reason. Be persistent and don't give up! If you have to be firm with your GP then do it. if my sister didn't stand her ground with her sons doctor he wouldn't be here today, even though the doctor insisted he was fine, after some more invasive tests turns out he wasn't!

I'm sure your giving her plenty of cranberry juice and water. Have you tried relaxing her when she wees? Like maybe reading a book on the toilet or turning a tap on.

ChristineC320 · 03/03/2018 21:12

Also another way to possibly see if she has a UTI is to check around her groin area for swollen lymph nodes. On some people they swell in that area if it's a UTI.

Ledehe · 03/03/2018 21:23

I had this problem with my daughter from 3 til 9. Always white cells and blood but not often infection grown. After years of scans etc we found out she got bladder spasms (which causes the severe pain) and got Oxybutinin for it and after surgical exploration her hymen grew over her urethra which caused soap/bubble bath/urine to get stuck and irritate the area.

Some tips. No cranberry juice. No blackcurrant juice as it is too acidic and irritates. At least 1.5 litres of water a day if you can get her to do it. Very mild soap in bath (Johnson's caused the most pain) and rinse area with shower head when done. If sore fill a warm bath and let her pee in it, will take away the sting. Pure cotton pants. Get referred to urology and get the scans etc done.

ottolinemorel · 10/03/2018 09:32

Thanks all. She’s just complained of stinging wees this morning and my heart sank because I hoped the ABs had killed off whatever was lurking around in her bladder / urethra. I agreed with the doctor that we’d watch and wait and if another test came back positive we’d refer to urology for scans. The battle is, 4 out of 5 of her samples don’t register, which means it continues to get worse and by the 5th test that comes back positive she’s really poorly. Is there anything natural I can give her to help in the meantime? We are working hard to get her through the 1.5l of water but she hates drinking it - is weak squash ok or would it make it worse?

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Backingvocals · 10/03/2018 09:40

See a paediatric urologist. And get D Mannose to take every day. You can get it on Amazon. It’s a supplement that binds to the e-Coli bacteria so they can’t stick to the bladder wall and helps them get passed out without causing infection.

flumpybear · 10/03/2018 09:50

DD used to get UTI frequently so the microbiologist at the hospital phoned the doctor and told them to refer her

Turns out she has kidney reflux (so wee goes back into her kidneys before exiting) and she also has low kidneys so her ureters are a strange shape and prone to pooling which can cause bacterial growth

Scans and other tests confirmed this. That was when she was about 1.5 she's now 9 and was on prophylactic antibiotics (trimethoprim first then nitrofurantoin) TIL she was properly potty trained and clear of UTI I think that was TIL she was around 6. As she's grown her uretera are better shapes now and effectively she's
Growing out of it

Oh by the way when we had similar symptoms to you the GP sometimes got a negative result but my consultant asked all samples to be sent to the hospital for culture and then they often showed positive results so if your daughters samples aren't being cultured (just dipped) it may. It be sufficient

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