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Jemimafuckingpuddleduck · 17/02/2018 06:16

Lying here awake worrying about my middle DD who is 9 and who I think is showing signs of something and just can't put my finger on it...

She is a very happy, quirky child and very active but recently a few signs and symptoms/signs have made me sit up and start to wonder if a Dr trip and tests are needed...

She is and always has been a huge worrier, she does a two sports quite well and one has a fair amount of risk to it but I have never known a child to panic and risk assess as much as she does to every inch of detail to the point that we have wondered if this sport is for her.

That being said she loves it with all her heart and we have now all invested a lot of time and effort and money into it.

She is painfully thin, 9th centile when born and pretty sure she still would be if checked. I had problems feeding her past 4 months when my supply seemed to miraculously drop and she dropped down to the 2nd centile, lots of pressure to stop and put her onto special milk but she was still happy/alert/wet nappies etc so preservered with the help of domperidone and managed to get to 14 months, now wonder if there was a tie that wasn't picked up...

Speech therapy from 4 (speech bad and only a selected few that could really understand her) it worked a treat but I have always felt there what a slight lisp or thickness still in her words that didn't go. It's hard when it's your child to just think that it's them and not to wonder if something more needs done (speech therapy wise) but I constantly need to tell her to slow down with her words as often still can't understand what she is saying...

I have mentioned to various class teachers and nothing has ever come of if it and again just wondered if part of her although like before not unconvinced there isn't a tie...

She is also very nasally and noisy (best way to describe it) with her mouth, I really can't stand to have her read something or just sit over my ear or shoulder because she is constantly snorting (again best word for it) or making noise with her mouth, often her fingers will be there too, not necessarily in her mouth but playing with lips etc...

I think hearing is quite bad, we do have an appointment to get this checked but due to usual baby/school checks and then a routine one with speech therapy not convinced they are going to find anything...

Constant mouth ulcers, like at least 2 bad ones every 3 weeks, she has her own part on a shelf in fridge with various sprays and liquids to help when one appears. I have mentioned this to the Doc a few times but no one has ever seemed very concerned, just put down to being run down, just one of those things!!

Always something in her mouth, when she was 2 she choked on a two pence piece, absoloutly horrifying at the time but it's just carried on to a whole childhood of chewing on things she shouldn't, occasionall it's big things, Barbie shoes, anything squishy but mostly it's tiny bits of paper...yesterday while doing her sport I asked her what was in her mouth and its was 3 little bits of scrunched up foil.

I really try to stay patient with her as she is quite a gentle little thing and realise as a habit which is mildly OCD shouting will get me nowhere but I lost it with her with worry and what a stupid thing it was to do with the risk of her choking was huge!!

Food stealing!! This really worries me for obvious reasons, Confused She is in a bedroom downstairs which means she had acsess to the kitchen at night and very often I will be making her bed in the morning and there will be wrappers, crumbs, trails of cereal either hiden or swept into piles. This in itself I guess is quite child like but it's the lying about it and continuation for the last 6 months, even after various discussions/punishments/privileges removed (you name it we have tried) that really worries me. She will be really upset/apologetic at the time but then a few days later it happens again...

I really worry that this is quite worrying behaviour and that the signs of an unhealthy relationship with food and control and starting to form...

Constant nail biter and has been from many years, I can't remember the last time I cut her nails, toes as well! Shock

I do very rarely see her do it and we used to joke when she was really little that she had magic self cutting nails but now worry this is just something she has always done and again had developed into quite a bad habit and worry/stress reliever...

Sorry for the long post, I think I just had to write it all down to see myself that behaviour and above signs definitely needs checking, I do find it frustrating that a lot of it I have mentioned to various Drs/teachers etc and I'm always fobbed off or told "just one of those things" and because none of it is life threatening I just didn't see the point of persuing.

She is such a lovely little girl and we always joke (between me and OH) that for an only child she gets more time, attention and money spent on her than the other two put together...Basically I don't think she is being overlooked or lacking in any love or affection!!

Can anyone relate or have any advice and do you think there is an issue or is it all stages and habits that she will outgrow?

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Jemimafuckingpuddleduck · 17/02/2018 07:08

Sorry for the incredibly long post...

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NotSoSprightly · 17/02/2018 07:13

She sounds very like a woman who I work with. Very nasally, slight lisp, seems like something isn't quite all there with her but just not sure what.

One thing I'd say might be helpful is not punishing her for getting food at night. It sounds like an unhealthy cycle of her wanting food, then feeling the need to hide it, then a punishment. Can you make up certain night snacks for her and make it all very accessible - you might find that when it's not forbidden fruit so to speak, she won't be so interested in it. Another thing is to obviously find out WHY she's taking it - does she eat enough throughout the day?

zen1 · 17/02/2018 07:31

Is there something specific you are worried about OP? Some of her behaviours sound quite sensory-seeking, so maybe this is what you are picking up on. My DS is a couple of years older and he still puts things in his mouth and chews on things. He always has done and after a recent assessment was diagnosed with sensory processing problems. He also steals food (particularly bread!) and is very thin.

He was referred to ENT a few years ago as we thought he might have hearing problems, but while they found his hearing was fine, they did say he had negative pressure in his ears which may be uncomfortable for him.

Does she like to fiddle with things too? DS always has a toy in his hand and is a constant fiddler.

chocoholic30 · 17/02/2018 07:41

Please have her checked for iron deficiency. Eating paper (and other inedibles) is known as pica and can be caused by low iron.

Jemimafuckingpuddleduck · 17/02/2018 07:55

Thanks...it's so hard not to get cross with her for the food stealing as it's normally pack lunch stuff/ birthday/Christmas/seasonal treats and they aren't always hers! I worry the amount of sugar (damage to teeth) she is consuming and ultimately, how as normally such a well behaved and placid child she can't break the habbit!!

But you are right getting frustrated doesn't and hasn't solved anything!!

@zen1 Tbh I'm not sure most of her little quirks and traits have been ongoing since she was little and up until recently I have just put it down to her and not necessarily joined the dots as not sure you can...

I did wonder if it was hearing/adenoid thing, (she can be quite the little snorer!! Grin) but I'm not sure that would fit with all the the other compulsive behaviours.

I guess I'm most worried about her metal well being, specifically is she just showing classic childhood symptoms of Anxiety, OCD and other control based condition...I know it's irrational but it breaks my heart to think that I have done something in her little life to cause this...

This all being said, your son does sound similar to my daughter? Can I ask how you started the ball rolling?

I should have added DD is very clever, out of my 3 she is definitely the most academically bright although I say that with a pinch of salt as my others DD's are very care free and happy go lucky which and as children wish my middle DD had a bit more of!!

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Jemimafuckingpuddleduck · 17/02/2018 07:57

I wondered about Iron...I shall definitely ask for that to be checked!!

Thansk. Smile

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Jemimafuckingpuddleduck · 17/02/2018 18:06

Anyone else??

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jugglingmorethingsthanhands · 17/02/2018 18:19

Trust your gut, if you think something is up see the GP for the hearing concern which could be linked the speech. An ENT referral may be the way to go.

In regards to the food - is she getting enough to eat, does she hide cause you say no? Is she having her tea too early then hungry before bed? Could you try and let her have a nighttime snack before bed - toast/cereal? What does she say if you talk to her about it? She may just be hungry.

Or it could be and some elements sound like she has traits of sensory processing disorder- have a google of it - it may help you with some strategies that support her - giving her something she can chew on may work.

With her weight you could top her up with milkshakes, full fat things if she looks too thin, but you will know if she is in proportion etc.

bigarse1 · 17/02/2018 19:04

try looking up sensory processing disorder. a lot of what you said, especially about the chewing things reminded me of that. school wouldn't necessarily pick up on it

Jemimafuckingpuddleduck · 17/02/2018 19:13

Thanks so much, you guys are awesome and I am jotting down notes from the posts to ask the Docs...

She has a huge appetite but I think a very fast metabolism as there is not a picking on her!

She is very active with her hobbies and always on the go and I do tend to feed her up (extra serving of pasta, potatoes, bread etc) but it is tricky with especially her older sister who is healthy but greedier and not the same kind of matablism, as I don't want to be unfair...I tend the sneak the extra calories in food i.e. the heaviest bowl/plate will go to DD 2...

I'm will look up the sensory stuff..

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MigGril · 17/02/2018 19:27

What flagged up to me was the feeding issues when a baby. And mouth ulcers still now also speach problem to.

Was she ever assesed orally? I'm thinking tounge tie hear. This can cause feeding issues, speach issues, acid reflux problems. It would have also effected your supply as well and cause her sensory issues in her mouth. Defiantly needs an ENT referral.

mawbroon · 17/02/2018 19:33

Yep, also thinking tongue tie and high palate.

A lot of it sounds like ds1

Mishappening · 17/02/2018 19:36

Put her a tray of snacks by her bed and take away the stigma/guilt of the night eating. Let her choose what she would like on it.

Sounds as thought these sports are a stress too far. She needs activities that are not competitive - line dancing, something just plain fun!

Bright children can be worriers - tell her you do not give a toss if she comes last in everything! - that you just want her to have fun and enjoy life.

spidereye · 17/02/2018 19:45

My son does many of those things and is diagnosed with ASD. The snorting, making noises could be a form of stimming

Jemimafuckingpuddleduck · 17/02/2018 20:02

@Misshappening (possibly very outing) but her hobby is horseriding and she has her own horse.

I actually think it's her go to chill place and if she is having a bad day that's where she wants to be, up before us on a weekend morning ready to go so she does genuinely love it and obviously not something we can just cut down.

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